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Hash: SHA1 Present any ONE objective = statistically significant piece of data for chemical causation of COGNITIVE behavior. Note that ANOVA alone doesn't ***ign cause, you must induce chemical variability and observe the behavior, not vice versa, or else according to William of Ockham's razor, the ANOVA results would imply THE COGNITIVE BEHAVIOR CAUSES THE CHEMISTRY, not vice versa, and you CANNOT choose chemical variability that has cross correlation to behavior, i.e. blatant positive reinforcement or blatant negative reinforcement, since these do not objectively cause a will, they just may cause someone to CHOOSE to use their will I'll make it easy for you. Present ANY ONE peer reviewed study in an accepted trade journal (NOT AN ABSTRACT OR REFERENCE) with a correlation coefficient of COGNITIVE behavioral variabilty to ANY chemical variability of greater than 50%, with a cross correlation coefficient between those variables less than 50%, and a sampling greater than the nyquist frequency, shouldn't be too hard if such objectivity exists, should we not expect as much for something so institutionalized?
some large scale censure is in order since the unethical portrayal of the conjecture of chemical causation as science has resulted in legislative implications, and the encroachment of human rights, it implies irrepairable defect, and the ethics of dealing with the irrepairable, whereas psychological causation offers repair, and the ethics of repair, it would not be so bad if said perpetrators conceded to the possibility of psychological causation and included a distinguishment between chemical and psychological causation in diagnostic procedures (DSM-IV), but no such distinguishment is forthcoming, The diagnostic procedure is as follows: 1) people are diagnosed and categorized SOLEY psychologically, NO CHEMICAL TESTING, NO NEUROLOGICAL TESTING , NO ENDOCRINAL TESTING, NO BLOODWORK, etc.
2) chemical causation is INFERRED 3) prescription ALWAYS includes chemicals (ECT, pharmaceuticals, incarceration, etc.) karma is coming to someone
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"Bobby D. Bryant" bdbry...@mail.utexas.edu
[crossposts trimmed] My crystal ball tells me you're going to get creamed on this one, if anyone is bothering to answer you anymore.
How about instead of spewing your ignorance all over Usenet, you go to the library and read the first chapter of a book about neuroscience and then the first chapter of a book about cognition.
This stuff hasn't exactly been cl***ified as 'Secret' for the past few decades.
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Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:20:40 +0000 (UTC), "Bobby D. Bryant" of what I know of the state of our scientific institution, statistics are RAREly pursued, let alone rigorously, and only when some RARE bean counter gets enlightened to the concept of experimental credibility and its impact on his accountability, note the emphases on the word rare the criteria of a greater than 50% correlation coefficient with less than a 50% cross correlation coefficient at a sampling greater than nyquist, is the minimum to establish causation of one variable from another how much "evidence" really stands up to such criteria?
origin of species? where's the data origin of cosmology? where's the data psychiatry? you have to be joking we infer my friend, and when we infer in philosophically important arenas such as mental accountability we must do so with conservatism instead of the zealously we see in biological causation institutions
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Sverker Johansson l...@hlk.no.hj.spam.se
1) Go to the nearest pub.
2) Sample their wares.
3) Iterate 1) and 2) until the change in your cognitive behavior becomes obvious.
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Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:22:10 +0000 (UTC), Sverker Johansson that merely proves incognizant behavior is dominant over cognizant behavior at some point, it says nothing definitively of cognizance, and certainly not consistently, some do endure the wares while others do not, so there would be cross correlation and lack of firm causation even in your falsely construed analogy try again
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Average Joe average...@mysolution.ws
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Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:17:57 +0000 (UTC), brog...@noguchi.mimcom.net they typically present options to the psyche at low doses, and at high doses at best change incognizant behavior to such a point that incognizant behavior overrides cognizant behavior like I said, if this is so simple, show me ONE peer reviewed study in a trade journal (NOT AN ABSTRACT OR REFERENCE) with correlation coefficient of ANY cognizant behavior to ANY chemical greater than 50%, with a cross correlation coefficient of less than 50%, at a sampling greater than nyquist, I think we can expect this little from pharmaceutical companies that tell us we need to spend our life's savings on "THEIR wares" because of high "research" costs
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Elmer Bataitis elmerbatai...@yahoo.com
OK. Inject high dose of arsenic = no cognition.
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for ...@earthlink.net (Richard Clayton)
[Two completely irrelevant newsgroups snipped] I think he's suggesting that there's some sort of vitalistic cognitive force in his brain-- a Magic Self-Awareness Faerie, if you will-- that can be *overridden* by chemical reactions but is not defined by them.
Once again, Average Joe is putting forth his kook hypotheses and demanding we refute them, not realizing that the burden of proof lies on the ***ertive.
Bjoern Feuerbacher feuerbacNOS...@thphys.uni-heidelberg.de
Essentially you are saying something analogous to: "If it's getting darker, light isn't disappearing - only darkness is getting stronger." [snip rest]
brog ...@noguchi.mimcom.net (Bill Rogers)
Plenty of people with mental illness, from really florid psychosis to garden variety depression seem to be helped by psychiatric medications. It is hardly a moral failing to use chemistry to correct chemical problems in the brain. On the other hand, I've known several manic-depressives who ruined their lives by not taking meds because they either believed or allowed themselves to be convinced that taking such things was a sign of "spiritual weakness." But to get back to my question to you, do you really think that physical changes in the brain (including chemical changes) cannot change your perceptions and thoughts? When someone is delerious with fever do you think that they decided of their own free will to think wild, disordered thoughts and the thinking of those thoughts overheated their brain?
"Craig Franck" craig.fra...@verizon.net
But by dismissing this you are eliminating an entire cl*** of solutions to your problem. This renders your challenge mostly philosophical or metaphysical.
For example, what if consciousness is something independent and uses the brain as an interface? (The movie "Being John Malkovich" supposes something akin to this.) Mucking up the state of the brain can affect consciousness, but only when it's plugged into the interface.
If that's the sort of thing you're proposing, there is no solution to your problem.
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eri ...@home.com (SortingItOut)
This is quite a claim. Can you present "ANY ONE peer reviewed study in an accepted trade journal (NOT AN ABSTRACT OR REFERENCE)" in which this alleged unethical portrayal has taken place?
Also, is there some way you can bring your mathematics to bear on the whole free will thing? You've attempted to disprove evolution with math, but you've yet to demonstrate mathematically (or otherwise) that disembodied free wills exist, that they negotiate, that some are more powerful that others, and (most importantly) that they can create the universe.
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zeenr ...@gate.net (Zinnic)
Is not the recognition and action on selected options cognizent behaviour? If the consumption of a drug makes a different option more attractive or feasible than it was without drug consumption, is that not a drug-induced change in cognizant behaviour? Surely it is that simple?
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Kleuskes & Moos somewh...@over.the.rainbow
Yet one more aphorism from the world of software. Just to clarify.
"Software isn't a noun, it's a verb", Henk Kampman.
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Richard Clayton richzigard.clayton...@verizon.net
[two completely irrelevant newsgroups snipped] I think what Average Joe is suggesting is that there's some vitalistic cognitive force in your brain-- sort of a Magic Self-Awareness Faerie--
which can be *overridden* by chemistry but is not itself dependant on chemistry.
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Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:19:02 +0000 (UTC), zeenr...@gate.net (Zinnic) wrote: there's a less than subtle distinction, the change is determined ultimately by free will, you can choose otherwise, and some people do, so you cannot make a broad statement that A always results in B, that is what is simple and before the kook cabal starts in, we are talking about low doses here my high dose opinion is that incognizant behavior overcomes cognizant behavior, and that cognizance remains the same, just defected from this manifestation of the physical world
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Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:51:43 +0000 (UTC), Richard Clayton you imply my philosophy can have no other basis but a belief in mythology, avoiding the logic of my argument, I must say this qualifies as ad hominem since ***essment of me is not an ***essment of logic whenever name calling starts expect wisdom ...
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Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:51:43 +0000 (UTC), Richard Clayton Faerie--
I think what you are saying is that we are determined with disregard to free will
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Richard Clayton richzigard.clayton...@verizon.net
I notice you snipped away all but two words of my post. In your words, "I'll cl***ify that as a non-rebuttal." That's not what I said at all. I stated that your philosophy appears to have no basis other than a belief in a supernatural force which is not in evidence.
The problem with logic is that like mathematics, starting with incorrect ***umptions will yield incorrect results, even if your mechanics are flawless.
I'm having difficulty parsing this. Care to elucidate? Is this more pontification about how the Evil Science Establishment is out to get you and repress your ideas?
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Richard Clayton richzigard.clayton...@verizon.net
Then you think wrongly. What I am saying is that you suggest there's a supernatural component to "cognizance." As far as I know, there is no evidence to support this-- if you have some, please provide it.
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Newsgroups trimmed to TO and AUK On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:06:18 +0000 (UTC), Average Joe Joe, you have become known on alt.usenet.kooks. That alone should be incentive for you to stop. If you choose not to, then may whatever gods you worship take pity upon you.
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Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:20:03 +0000 (UTC), Richard Clayton and I think you are saying, free will, which is part of cognizance, is not natural
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Bjoern Feuerbacher feuerbacNOS...@thphys.uni-heidelberg.de
Pardon? I can *choose* if I get drunk or not if I drink alcohol? This is a decision of free will? Cornholio, congratulations, you have reached a new level of ridiculousness...
Low doses of what?
Hence cognizant behaviour is changed. Case closed.
This makes no sense.
As I already pointed out, that's like saying "When it becomes night, sunlight doesn't disappear; only darkness gets stronger." Pardon? Can anyone translate this for me?
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