Greedy NSW teachers union hammers another nail in public education coffin
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ralph rst...@no.bigfoot.spm.com
NSW public teachers were today striking in an attempt to get taxpayers to meet their insane demand for a 25% wage increase over two years. What possible grounds would these teachers have for such a demand, when their collective performance has been such that parents have been fleeing the public system over the past years in a bid to get quality education and discipline for their children from independent schools that are responsive to the demands of PARENTS, not UNIONS.
In case anybody actually buys the greedy union's bullshit argument that they are underpaid, here's what the OECD had to say in a briefing from last year ...
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/16/26/1836297.pdf "In Australia in public primary and secondary education, starting teachers??™ salaries and salaries after 15 years??™ experience are well above the OECD average according to data reported by countries from official teachers??™ pay scales at starting, mid-career and top-of-the-scale points (expressed in US dollars converted using Purchasing Power Parities). Primary teachers who are new to the profession are paid a starting salary of $US 26 887, which is well above the OECD mean of $US 21 469. Australian primary teachers with 15 years??™ experience are - following Switzerland, Korea, Japan and the United States - the fifth highest paid out of all OECD countries at $US 38 297 (OECD average $US 29 407). If one compares the statutory salary of a primary teacher with 15 years??™ experience with the average GDP per capita, the ratio at 1.43 considerably higher than the OECD average level of 1.32"
"dechucka" dechu...@hotmail.com
below par as in real terms thier wage has decrease 30% in the last 20 years If the Public education system paid teachers a decent wage than they would get good teachers, as a school graduate why would you become a teacher, crap salary, shit conditions and no future prospects noticed that the OECD also said that Australi would be facing a shortage of teachers within the next years
Petzl petzl+ne...@SpAmCoP.NeT
Pay peanuts and you not only get monkeys you also get kids who grow to be on the dole Petzl
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Petzl petzl+ne...@SpAmCoP.NeT
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:47:10 -0700, Jacques Guy The job becomes more competitive with more qualified going for the job offered.
Right now there is a serious shortage of teachers meaning someone fluent in Arabic and nothing else is "teaching" English cl***es If you pay peanuts the monkeys tend to come from scrapping the bottom of the barrel Petzl
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bernx ...@yahoo.com.au (The Enlightenment)
My sources within the teaching profession tell me that well over 50% to nearly 100% of the remedial education teaching resources of NSW out west are dedicated to teaching middle eastern children. Some of them will be the Bilal Skaifes of the Future. This is so Despite the fact that most of these children are born here. Part of the problem appears to be that many are exhausted by their participation in tedious Islamic schools on the weekend. (This problem exists in the UK as well) Many are also 'refugees', many appear to be immigrants who entered under the reduced standards of the family reunion program (if you know how middle eastern kinship systerms work this is no suprise) or they are the undistinguished dross accepted under the excesses of the Hawke/Keating immigration nightmare.
Much of the problems in education are in fact ethnic problems stemming from excess immigration. Suburbs stretched beyond their finacial resources to provide infrastructure and a healthy environment and good pay. Schools equaly streteched to handle the population and ethnic problems. Because even declaring these problems is a burning heresy aginst the multiculturalism faith we hear little of it but the data is there.
Parents who are considering sending their children to a selective high schools are known to have a look a the school and when they see that it is 50% swating Chinese tuning ipon their heel. These schools are devoid of the other cultural and literary values they want for their children.
On the other hand we have schools full of introduced social problems whose resources are not devoted to bright children but to endless remedial cl***es and behavioural problems. Parents if they can afford to will avoid these schools.
The public system educates a child at the cost of about $6000 per year plus a few extras. Parents who send their children to a private school get no direct help at all. What we see is some help in extending buildings, halls or repairs worth at most $1000/year.
Private school fees are around $12000 per year all paid for by the parent who gets note even tax deductability yet effectvely pays for public education. Private schools effectively unburdon the public system!
The flip side is that Australians are forced now to send their childen to second rate public schools, burderened by problems where they will be indoctirnated by the values of 'diversity' and prevented from absorbing their own proud histroy and culture. Escape from this system is difficult as non of the taxes you pay will go to the Private system.
It should however be noted that the Catholic system is effectively an arm of the public system because the the funding they recieve.
I myself attended a public highschool. Our school had the highest matriculation rate in the state.
The private schools offer the extra teachers to cope with the special needs of a child who may be bright but needs extra help and many parents have no choice but to use them.
Taxation can be used as an instrument of tyrany. Private education should be tax deductable, at least to a limit, on the basis of Freedom of choice.
"The crusader" sy_b...@yahoo.com
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Apart from the racist banterings made above, teachers deserve more pay as they need to educate such pathetic sods like yourself.
Further to that, your simplistic views about private school funding shows how ill-informed you are. The present federal govt spends as much (if not more ..) on private schooling along with public.
Sorry to dissappoint you and your hatred peddling ilk.
Petzl petzl+ne...@SpAmCoP.NeT
Much of the reckoning by parents to send their children to Private Schools is because of the *obvious* miss-management ! Allowing such things as gang problems to escalate (students going either become part of the gang or get physically beaten) Principles of those schools ignoring the obvious problem they have and raising no concerns (just turn over teachers) The worst I have seen is NSW, Campbelltown Performing Arts High (a real shocker) Peter Primrose, House Whip,NSW Labor Senator (Did not cross the Trade Union Picket line) attended this one, but knowingly turns his back on the problem. Graham West's (NSW Labor & a Trade Union Scab) electorate.
What sort of teachers are willingly going to "teach" at this schools as an example (each cl*** needs bird wire cages to protect the teachers?) One thing private schools can and do to unruly students is simply send them back into the public system.
In poorer areas of Sydney where there is a lot of housing commission (NSW Labor Party electorates) I would not recommend send your children to schools in close proximity to "housing Commission estates" A lot of Housing commission areas are full of new immigrant arrivals who do not have much choice but to have their children attend these nonsense public schools Petzl
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Franc Zabkar fzab...@optussnet.com.au
Any relation to Mark?
Can you provide references?
The indolent AngloSaxon should follow the academic example of the industrious Chinese and Japanese who regard education as a privilege, not a lifestyle. That's why the resourceless Japanese have been able to create an economic powerhouse out of nothing whereas Australians have achieved relatively nothing despite having everything.
Which are?
In my day students were placed in cl***es according to their academic ability. Has anything changed?
I agree that there is some inequity here. The private schools should probably be subsidised to some extent by the Government, with corresponding reductions in school fees. These fees should be tax deductible.
How so?
My public high school also performed on a par with, or better than, the local private schools.
In my day the education department organised a special Opportunity Cl*** for these brighter students.
Agreed.
- Franc Zabkar
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