Why does the juvenile justice system in this state stink?
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tru ...@clarityconnect.competent (Trudi Marrapodi)
Can anyone answer that one? I know someone whose house was broken into twice in the space of a week. She feels she knows who did it--a teenage kid whose mother lives down her street, whose grandfather used to live in the house she rents now. This kid broke away from a juvenile home very recently (while he was sitting by the door--shoes on and everything) and went on the lam. Then he proceeded to rob from his aunt, steal the car of his grandfather's widow's son, and rob his own mother. Then my friend was next (or so she believes).
End result? The kid was caught, all right--only because he was found shoplifting in a department store. Now he's in a juvenile home in Westchester County. But...in another year, he'll be out again and, no doubt, burglarizing more people. Maybe even coming back to hit the same places again.
She never had her place broken into before this, and hasn't been broken into since he was caught. To her, that says it all.
Why is this state a damn revolving door when it comes to juvenile crime?
Why do they get a slap on the wrist and they're out again? Why do the police treat people like crap when their house is broken into if they live around the corner from a "bad neighborhood," as if they deserved it or should have known better? (I came over the second time she was robbed and saw how the cop treated her--sort of like "What do you expect, lady, it's the neighborhood.") She said she feels that the police only care if someone takes something from a store. THAT's when the buggers get prosecuted. They can rob PEOPLE blind and absolutely nobody cares. I wish I had the answers for her, but I don't!
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Trudi "Orser let the skating speak and the judges awarded it."
--Dave Fraser
"Rob G." gd...@rochesterNOSPAM.rr.com
Regretfully, it's not just the juvenile justice system. Our society has determined that criminals have more rights than their victims. And since imprisonment is so barbaric and cruel (despite the free education, cable television and air conditioning) we let them out as quickly as possible.
That's if we can even get them to prison. Too often, some slick attorney gets his/her client off on some ridiculous technicality.
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Rob G.
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"Tom Hand" troy...@altavista.com
The revolving door of justice doesn't only apply to juvenile crime. Almost no one except the most heinous criminal ever serves even a fraction of his or her sentence in this state. There are hundreds of different early release programs and most inmates qualify for at least one of them. The press always gives high profile coverage to the sentences meted out to criminals, but they almost never follow up to tell you the person was released after serving an average of a fourth of the time he was originally sentenced to. All of these early release programs kick in years before the people are even eligible for parole.
"troll" bonifid...@hotmail.com
Arrest the parents and the problem will be resolved!
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JmG jmgr...@bestweb.net
First off, ignore those who will tell you that the state simply isn't "tough enough", for they're just afraid and don't understand the issues, nor do they want to do the work required to make positive changes. To the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" brigade they always have the easy answers. But, as you can see that philosophy hasn't worked and it's never going to. Unless you want to live in a place like Singapore where every small infraction is brutally enforced.
She's not right. She's been victimized and she's not seeing it clear right now. Her local police (if you like, send me a private email and tell me which PD in Westchester and I'll look into it further for you) aren't going to take her word that someone has robbed her house. They do have to catch you in the act, or, at the very least, catch you with something that is clearly not yours before they can even start to build a case. The cops need proof beyond her word and that is as it should be.
The solution isn't simply a matter of locking people up and hoping they learn their lessons - that system has proven it does not work. In the US we simply do not want to do the hard work required to create a society where crime is dealt with even-handidly.
You think these kids are blind? They're not. They're sharp and they are well aware that Joe Corporate rapes and pillages and gets golf club memberships as his punishment while Joe Street lifts an apple from the grocery and gets slammed through the criminal justice system. Joe Street sees this everyday and he knows it's not fair.
Additionally, what's Joe Street's future? Is there one? Do adults all around him lie, cheat and steal? Does Mary Crime-Victim roll through stop signs, "hedge" a bit on her taxes, nosh on grapes in the supermarket? Why should she get away with it while Joe Street does not.
The naysayers will say I'm being flippant but there really are issues that are societal that we refuse to deal with in an intelligent way and instead, allow our emotions to control - and that - as has been proven - is a one way ticket to failure.
When we build a community where all members are treated equally and contribute what they can you'll find that serious crime (outside nuisance and thrills) pretty much disappears.
J
"troll" bonifid...@hotmail.com
Well JmG I'm moved by a young kid by the name of Nathan down there in Florida . . .do you truly feel the law was justifiable, totally and inequitable?
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"troll" bonifid...@hotmail.com
Pretty "narrow-minded" view (I don't mind it) but did you ever think Phreddy that "people may do it due to lack of recognition?" I'm not a shoplifter but I sure do pay through the nose at department stores to offset the cost brought about by shoplifters . . .think about it Phreddy.
I never, ever expect a cop to come up to me while I'm in my vehicle, ask me to get out of my car, have a photographer with him and declare, "today we recognize you sir for your excellent driving over the past 20-years." She may one day use her cellphone with her hands to save someone's life.
But I think I understand where your coming from, "blatant disregard for the law" maybe just to be spiteful, who knows.?
"Phreddy Phlintstone" <phreddy_phlintstoneSPAMFIL...@yahoo.com> wrote in message ...
r ...@us.ibm.com
Liberal whine on --
Because he's just a child and he doesn't know any better.
or Because he came from a broken home and he didn't have a father authority figure.
Liberal whine off
r ...@us.ibm.com
I just about got sick to my stomach when I saw that report on TV.
I'd almost like to see the US follow the British example of the 19th century..transportation to a penal colony. We just help free up a vast expanse of the most inhospitable country in the world. Let's build huge prison complexes in the middle of Afghanistan. If we can do it in up state NY to create jobs, why can't we do it over there as well.
Think about it...all of our prisons get emptied of their worst guests, we ship them out of the country, give them barest of essentials to live on, no contact with their friends or family ever again and the Afghans get good salaried jobs to help rebuild their country.
Out of sight out of mind! Sound like a plan? :-)
"K. D." kayemm...@hotmail.com
I've been run off the road and hit many times (totalling my car twice) by ***holes who had no cells phones. What did people blame back then?
-KD
"Tom Hand" troy...@altavista.com
You are right, but I don't think the fact that the phone's *hand held* has anything to do with the problem. I think it's because human beings are just not natural multi-taskers. It's the act of talking and concentrating on the conversation that reduces their attention to the road. Banning hand held phones, but allowing those that aren't hand held is not going to change anything. Most people just can't chew gum and walk at the same time.
"troll" bonifid...@hotmail.com
lol touch?© :-) "and the beat goes on!" ...
"troll" bonifid...@hotmail.com
Evidently phreddy it can't be because the guy or women is dead on his/her *** from work (tired, falling asleep behind the wheel) . . maybe a boss who doesn't care if the employee drove from Buffalo to Albany and back as part of that person's workday, right!?
"Phreddy Phlintstone" <phreddy_phlintstoneSPAMFIL...@yahoo.com> wrote in message ...
"K. D." kayemm...@hotmail.com
Some guy
-KD
Bill Towne m...@home.com
I disagree. There is something different about the phone. I think it is that when you are fooling with the radio and you see brake lights ahead, you let go of the radio and focus on the driving more intensely. If you are on a cell phone, you don't drop it to the floor like you let go of the volume of a stereo.
The way I see it, there are two things going on. One is the physical distraction (holding the phone - which doesn't get let go like a radio), and the other is a mental distraction (both fiddling with the radio and talking on the phone have these).
On the other hand, there is eating or drinking. Like a phone, they are physical distractions and are dangerous because most people aren't going to drop hot coffee in their laps unless they are in the midst of getting run over by a truck, but they don't carry the mental distractions. I'm not anti-cell phone by any means, I'll have one eventually like everyone else. But I've seen my father drive with one and without, and he scares the poopy out of me when he tries to talk on it in the car. ========================================= Bill Towne Minneapolis, Minnesota www.billtowne.com
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- Eugene V. Debs ========================================= On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:45:40 GMT, "Tom Hand" <troy...@altavista.com> wrote:
Bill Towne m...@home.com
I was wondering how you knew that he swings both ways ;-) ========================================= Bill Towne Minneapolis, Minnesota www.billtowne.com
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"When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong."
- Eugene V. Debs ========================================= On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:58:23 GMT, "K. D." <kayemm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill Towne m...@home.com
Is there something wrong with that? I thought that they were samplers.
========================================= Bill Towne Minneapolis, Minnesota www.billtowne.com
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JmG jmgr...@bestweb.net
Humans seem to need a bogey man and we'll do anything we can to have one. It's just that we never chose the bogey man worth fighting - ignorance and intolerance.
J
JmG jmgr...@bestweb.net
On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:49:17 -0500, Phreddy Phlintstone Aside from teaching someone how to be a better criminal or how to brutalize their fellow man, I don't really see the benefit of putting non-violent offenders in prison in the first place.
J
"Tom Hand" troy...@altavista.com
Hey that's how they caught that millionaire real estate scion wanted for murder in New York, Texas and California. They found him pilfering one Band-Aid out of a box at a supermarket and arrested him for shoplifting.
They found he was a fugitive when they booked him. So if your wanted by the law someplace else, keep your mitts off those grapes.
Boy.d ...@Hate.spammers (Dave Hitt)
These scumbags can always count on people like you justifying their actions. Poor, poor scumbags. It's society's fault, dontcha know. Only a liberal would equate eating an unpaid for grape with murder, rape and robbery. But then, in past conversations you justified buying a house as a reward for two kids who beat someone nearly to death, for fun, and then poured paint in their victims eyes, so we're not surprised. Only if you have no sense of proportion - i.e. a lefty. To a lefty, telling a fat joke is as evil as rape. *Thinking* about rape equals rape, according to leading lefties. So how can we expect them to come up with any kind of a reasonable solution to the problem? Ah yes, Utopia. Guess what, Sparky - Utopia is not an option. Never has been. And in the meantime, we've got rotten people out there that we need to deal with. The most efficient, fair way is with a Make My Day Law, which several states have enacted. If you find someone in your house who has no business being there, you can kill them. Bingo! One less dirtbag.
One more loud and clear message to leave other people's property alone. One more confirmation that if you try to hurt or steal from someone, it can cost you your life. And most importantly, one less dirtbag. (It bears repeating.) Now JmG, I know you would like to buy them a house, but a couple of bullets are much cheaper, and completely eliminates the possibility of them victimizing someone else. Few states are this advanced, though. In Maryland, if you find someone robbing your house, you're legally required to run away! You can only use self defense if your cornered! What crap. (In england, a man is serving a life sentence because he shot someone who was TRYING TO KILL HIM IN HIS OWN HOUSE. The gun, you see, was illegal. The state, in essence, has declared that the criminal is more important than the law abiding citizen.) It would be nice if you could just wing them, but in today's litigious society, they will sue and almost ***uredly get everything you own.
(You want to make the world a better place, JmG, why not start with tort reform?) And in a liberal state like ours, you could end up in jail for defending yourself, your family, and your property. So the only intelligent course of action is to kill them, NOT call the cops, and dispose of the body. After all, it's not likely the crook left an itinerary with anyone. Fewer dirtbags = less crime. It's an amazingly simple equation.
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Boy.d ...@Hate.spammers (Dave Hitt)
Radios, babies in the back seat, cigarettes, good looking women on the street corner....All real distractions, all FAR more likely to cause an accident than a cell phone. But banning cell phones *feels* good, dontcha know, and the left is all about feelings.
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"enigma" eni...@empire.net
it's ok to sample one or two... how else do you know if they're good or picked too green & sour/bitter? you aren't supposed to eat more than a couple though.
i'm leery of tasting produce, especially grapes, because most are imported from South or Central American countries... you know, those places that buy & use the pesticides banned in the US...
other produce has wax coatings to reduce transpiration & 'maintain freshness'. ick.
lee
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