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"The Rifleman" stevenos...@day273723.fsnet.co.uk
slavery is still rampant in north africa, as is other such wondefulcultural things like forced female circumcision, endenturement, tribal m***acres, the dregrading of women etc.
"bobb" bob...@ix.netcom.com
Uh oh, you're gonna get in big trouble talking like that. That's for too intelllectual for most to understand.
bobb
Doan d...@usc.edu
On 24 Nov 2003, Ignoramus3100 wrote: Only if you are ***uming that blacks don't have a past. What we owed their fore-fathers, we owed their offsprings. It's like if I owe your father some money and he died, do you think that money should be yours as part of your father's estate?
Oops! Basic logical flaw! We don't know that. Noone can predict what would have happenned. It could also be that without losing all the men power to whites, the blacks would have the resources to build their own society that would rival what we have today.
HUH?
Then that somehow makes slavery right??? We are doing them a favor, right?
Because they, much like the American Indians, were robbed!
And your point is?
Doan
"bobb" bob...@ix.netcom.com
One need only look as far as africa. They have had the resources, and in fact demanded their own destiny when they threw the British out, and the situation is now appalling. Without a doubt Kenya can be looked upon as the most progressive but unless you've been there don't hark too loud. Crow doesn't taste too good I'm told.
Given that fact that blacks have had, and remain to have, the opportunity for self determnation and have failed, is a fairly good indication that their present status in the U.S. would not have been acheived except for whites.
bobb right?
The slavery issue is distorted. The only true difference between working for a low wage, or the basics, is the treatment of those doing the work. We are still 'slaves' to the work force except we are now treated differently.
In Japan, workers are still 'owned' by those who do the employing.
Employers own the workers cars, apartments, and control lives. Slavery is a relative status and even history speaks of the fact that not all slavery was bad nor were all slaves treated bad.
bobb
Gunner gun...@lightspeed.net
On 24 Nov 2003 19:58:43 GMT, Ignoramus3100 A not particularly politically correct question....
If Whites owe black descendants of slaves reparations...I wonder if we can get a refund on all the Welfare and entitlement payments we have given them?
Or do we credit them the balance? When agreed amount of reparation money is set..can we compare it with those monies already paid?
And whom owes whom more?
Gunner "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions".
Christopher Morton
Gunner gun...@lightspeed.net
Very politically incorrect.
But accurate as hell Gunner "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions".
Christopher Morton
Sue sebr...@thegrid.net
We certainly should!!!
Sue
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
Why Sue? Was the money taken from you by them black citizens using enslavement, murder, rape, and lifelong bondage on your and your family?
Kane
Sue sebr...@thegrid.net
No, and blacks have not been held in enslavement or lifelong bondage in well over 100 years. The money is taken from all working citizens (of all colors) by threat of imprisonment.
Sue who has worked in a welfare office for 21 years.
"Chia Pet" Chia P...@ChChChCHIA.net
Slavery is rampant worldwide. It's called capitalism now, though. Just the wages are kept low enough to produce the same miserable conditions, often worse. Same thing, same property concept of people as a commodity, different name to make the slave owners feel better.
"Chia Pet" Chia P...@ChChChCHIA.net
Dumb question on both sides because there's no way in hell either will ever happen. Just idiots at the fringe spewing hot air.
"Chia Pet" Chia P...@ChChChCHIA.net
Whites receive welfare more than blacks, so they should pay too (what you will collect from is the problem).
Or you could look for corporate welfare to be returned. Then we can all retire in style!
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
Yep. So what's new?
And we get to squawk about how it gets spent. And I am.
If you read closely you will see that I included ALL taxpayers in the upper brackets. Starting to make more sense now?
Now there has got to be an unbiased viewpoint...R R R R Old Kane who has watched humans for many many more years than that.
You screw MY children out of the fruits of MY labors and watch them come after your *** 300 years from now or until they recover it.
Blacks have been to patient and kind.
The ones you see, and I have interacted with your demographic many times, are a product of America far more than Africa. So if you don't like how they smell, or talk, or behave, go watch the video "Blue Eyes Brown Eyes" and see if you can figger out what offends you so.
There will also always be, white or black, some who are not going to rise about their human genetic package...but there are more than enough blacks that could have had they not been hammered then and during the ensuing hundred years, little Susie.
Have you forgotten what took place during those hundred years after emancipation? Do you really think all black families got 40 acres and a mule and even those that did had the wherewithall to stand up to the whites surrounding and watching them, with an occasional lynching here and there to insure they didn't forget their "place?" No, we aren't just talking slavery.
We are talking a steady hundred plus year long diet of war with physical, psychological, economic, and social attacks on a day to day basis.
Black townships where wiped out by bigots. Black businesses were destroyed by fire and sanctions against them. Where blacks were left alone, even what little they had, they build how towns and prospered, until the whites around them got annoyed.
When you knock an entire race of people to its knees repeatedly month after month for 400 years or so, which includes the last hundred, and they keep getting up without cutting your throats and continue to manage to overcome as blacks have in this country, don't you think it's about time to set things right?
Kane
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
Correct up to the point, of slave owners feeling better.
Do you really think the medieval minded elitists give a shit how the slaves are doing?
No, they pay their pittance to keep the slaves from having an excuse to rise up and cut their throats. If you look closely at the union movement in the US and Britian you note that only after some of THEM died did anything change. Funny huh?
Let's hope black people haven't figure that out.....opppps! Nearly forgot the Black Panthers. Their argument was the same as my point above.
I ustah step out on my back deck when I lived in the city, and on the weekends my neighbors would often be taking the nice weather and barbequein' with friends over.
I'd wave, they'd wave back and smile, but when I turned to go back in the house I often wondered what they said to each other about my hearty wave and hello.
I still wonder. And I remember what was done to their people by mine.
You scared to think about that are you?
Kane
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
That parses a good deal like some of the things I've read that the anti suffragettes said once upon a time and some slave owners said about abolitionists a short time, historically speaking, back.
Aren't you glad they were right? Oh, wait.....you were just babbling a declaration of your wishes. Well thank you very much for being candid.
Your little balloon will go up now if you'll let go.
Kane
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
They do?
And as you noted in your commentary about legal economic slavery, they do pay, both. As a cheap labor pool they pay for the production we who aren't poor get to enjoy. We pay less, ain't it grand, so they can have hungry children, and rent overdue, and stand in lines for handouts from religious organizations, and they used to have to pull out those food stamps in the checkout line...now they have a "credits" card that increments a deduction each time it's used, and no bystander's the wiser...well, unless you know what the card looks like.
Considering the current corporate pay structure that might not be a bad idea...all executives who receive over one million a year just have to give it to me...opps, sorry, it's that natural greed thing....they must contribute it to survival, education, and the creation of meaningful productive jobs.
It would probably turn out a hell of a lot cheaper than the current system.
Or we could let them eat their children, as has been suggested about the poor on occasion.
Ever see the Monty Python bit on the Catholic working man's family.
Bust my gut.
Kane
North nort...@hotmail.com
Ok, then I want some of my share. Because two thirds of my family died fighting to free them slaves. IMO, them blacks owe me. Where's my reparations ?
Look at all those 'men' powers my family lost fighting to free them blackards. My family might just have some resources because one of the many hundreds of men who die fighting could have become a billionair.
Where the **** is my reparations ? Pay up blacky.
Yeah dummy. The shit "MY" family died to give them.
The mercenary males of my family who died fighting for the black mans freedom would like to be paid, along with their back pay.
Thats why two thirds of my family died. To do them a favor, to give them their freedom. You didn't forget about my family did you ? You didn't forget what they did for the black man did you ?
My family was robbed of a couple of dozen men.
I want some reparations also, when can I get my check ?
My point is, you reparation people forget people like me who lost many, many young men from my family who fought and died to give the black man his freedom. They never get a "thanks" from the black man who owes their freedom to a white man who fought and died for them.
When can I expect my check ?
North.
Gunner gun...@lightspeed.net
So are you saying that Sue, or her family, took black slaves, murdered them, raped them and enslaved them?
Hummm since one member of my family came here in 1861, fought in the Civil War, on the side of the North, lost a leg and an arm, then married a woman whom came here in 1868. The rest of the family came within the next few years. All long after slavery was abolished.
So..unless you believe there is some sort of collective White Guilt, which would then indicate that you are a frothing racist..I and my family dont owe anyone shit. In fact, my great great uncle Ferd should get retroactive Workmans Comp for the loss of his arm and leg. Hummm less see..that should be worth about 2 million bucks, doncha think, with interest?
Oh...and btw..my family on my fathers side is Irish/Welsh. They got booted off their land and enslaved by the Romans and Normans.
Whom do you suggest I speak with in the Italian Government, or pehaps the Vatican, about reparations? What do you suggest I do about the Normans?
Thanks in advance for the links to those responsible for paying for my families pain and suffering.
Gunner "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions".
Christopher Morton
Gunner gun...@lightspeed.net
Not a dumb question at all. If one makes the ***umption that the descendants of long ago slaves deserve some sort of monetary compensation..then the train of logic plays out.
Reparations, are no more, nor no less than playing the race card, to line their own pockets, by appealing to some White Guilt trip that only Liberals and retards would fall for.
"Whitey he be owning me Cable TV and Nikes cousin what he did some dead black people a zillion years ago. Yuins can simply add it to ma welfare check" Which brings up another point..if the Left thinks what Old Dead White Guys (like the Founders) did years ago, dont mean shit today......how come....
Hummm.....
.oh..ya..thats right. Left-Libs are hypocrits. I keep forgetting that.
Sorry Gunner "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions".
Christopher Morton
Gunner gun...@lightspeed.net
Actually ..no they dont based on percentages of race.
Down with the Capitalists!! To the Barracades!!!!!!!
Btw..did the State issue your computer to you?
Gunner "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions".
Christopher Morton
"capn" c...@beestinger.net
Who's "we"?
Don't even bother trying to tell me that my potato-famine-fleeing immigrant forebears had *anything* to do with the slave trade. That they likely were better off than a black person in the same 1910-ish time period is just the way it was. And they benefitted from, but did not cause the race situation.
Look at the numbers of people who came to this country from the latter half of the nineteenth century onward.
We're all supposed to buy into this reparations horseshit? Not a chance.
Your arguments pertain to a very small number of long-dead people. Most of the rest of us will laugh at you and tell you to **** OFF!
Capn
"Myal" duma...@hotmail.com.net
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Where do I go to be enslaved and owned by Sue ?
:) Myal
Sue sebr...@thegrid.net
Do you do windows? :o) Sue
Sue sebr...@thegrid.net
My many greats grandfather, Capt. James Stewart, was burned at the stake by Indians in 1757. Now, burning at the stake has got to be as bad as being lynched. I want my share of the casino profits as compensation. ;o) Sue
Sue sebr...@thegrid.net
Yep. So am I.
I have very few black clients as there are very few in my area .
My ancestors were not slave owners.
Not by me or my ancestors.
Not by me or my ancestors.
No, because that's your definition of "right" not mine. Why don't they go after the Arab and African decendents of the slavers? Or the Dutch? You do understand that had it not been for slavery not a single black person who is alive today in this country would even be in existence had it not been for slavery. YMMV depending on your religious views.
Sue
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