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chuckm ...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD)
Joels inane ramblings have brought a question to myself for the group. What do you think of a DDS like mine who says "the ADA is in complete denial regarding amalgam safety"? It is easy to take crack shots at us non-dental professionals here but are individuals like this quacks, misinformed, out for money...?
There are quite a few and building every day. My dad shared my testimony with his DDS. His exact words were "I was taught that amalgam is completely safe but am beginning to revisit the issue because your son is far from the first one Ive heard of whose health has improved after removal".
Chuck
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
Sorry Chuck, this is the ADA mantra! We dentists do not test products ourselves! We take the word of the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, the USPHS. I am sorry if that upsets you!
He is a loner, a non-team player and most likely wrong! And he proves himself foolish. Where does he get the secret information that the CDC does not have?
Testimony? Court case?
Hah! That dentist does not understand epidemiology nor "double blind" testing of hypotheses!
Thanks for the laughs!
Joel
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
A new name: "Scientific Chuck." On 25 Sep 2003 10:41:01 GMT, chuckm...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD) wrote:
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
C'Mon Chuck, give me a better argument than that!
Joel M. Eichen On 25 Sep 2003 10:41:01 GMT, chuckm...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD) wrote:
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
There are six and five of them are in it for the cash!
Joel On 25 Sep 2003 10:41:01 GMT, chuckm...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD) wrote:
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
Besides how can I resist the cash?
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
Heath has improved?
Chuck DO tell us how your health has improved. Do you have more energy, better vision for watching television or Line Dancing perhaps?
Joel On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:51:16 -0400, Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
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How can a dentist that places amalgam just be out for money?
The material is easily placed, lasts for many many years and has the lowest fees for placement.
Seems to me if a dentist was just out for the money, he would want to remove all of the amalgams do allot of root canals, and crowns or replace them with more expensive material Right??
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote: Joel--
What about the famous ADA acceptance seal, printed on every tube of Crest? What about the notorious "provisional" approval of the Water-Pik?
I don't know who does or pays for or does the research, but the ADA signs off on them.
Steve
"Tony Bad" SpamSpamS...@bakedbeans.spam
While I think you would find there are many offices that have quietly and without fanfare reduced or even eliminated their use of amalgam for a host of reasons, those that loudly and proudly proclaim themseleves Mercury Free are probably doing so for marketing purposes. There is a segment of the population that want avoid amalgam for whatever reason, and these offices have taken advantage of that market. It is like the plethora of "natural" products available in grocery stores, many of which are identical to the old version, except for the new marketing campaign. Some folks are sucked up in this hype. In your line of work I am sure you see many examples of misleading labels on food items.
Virtually any dentist can offer you several restorative options, and if you desire, avoid amalgam, so proclaiming yourself "Mercury Free is a bit of a misdirection. I feel it is little different than those who hang a sign proclaiming themselves "cosmetic dentists". Dentistry has and always will be concerned with cosmetics. Every piece of work I complete factors in esthetics. To me stating you are a "cosmetic dentist" is just marketing hype to sell something you could get almost anywhere. There is an implication that you are completing some special service. While there may be something unique about the care, more often than not, all that is unique is the way it is being sold.
As for the comments of your Dad's dentist, he sounds reasonable. I keep well informed about any and all materials I use. Despite what some conspiracy theorists here may hint, I would sooner quit the profession than harm even one person. I read as much as I can on this subject and have yet to find any real solid evidence telling me that amalgam is something to avoid. I understand others differ in their views, but this is mine. As I said early on in our discussion, your story is quite interesting, but leaves several unanswered questions. It would be great if we could get this nailed down one way or the other, as it would help many patients and dentists make the right choices.
T
chuckm ...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD)
Your post is well taken and believed T. All I ask for is open-minded intellectual honesty and you show that. I wish I knew *exactly* what poisoned me so I could attack that source. I have certainly written to representatives regarding coal burning power plants and the ever increasing Hg content in our fish. So "anti-amalgamism" is not my only venture. I just think if we can put a man on the moon we do not need to place a toxic metal in our mouths.
Chuck
"Tony Bad" SpamSpamS...@bakedbeans.spam
I do too...and I would willingly join hands with you in such a battle. While it seems like it should be easy, it is hard to isolate a single source for a given pathology and given the fact treatment of a condition rarely employs just a single treatment modality, it is also hard to isolate a reliable cause/effect/cure relationship. As I said, I am glad you, and yes, Jan, have found something that made them feel better. From a human standpoint, that is all that matters...but from a scientific standpoint, there are other points to ponder.
We have made our world an environmentally dangerous place to live, and any steps to clean that up are good ones.
T
chuckm ...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD)
Appreciated! Creeping neuropathy, totally unsteady on my legs, twitching all over... Me - a guy who used to run 5 miles a day, volleyball, bike 30, kayak.... some ER doc says lets check Hg. Its highx2, I do hair tests - off the charts, urine testx2 - off the charts. I begin clinical treatment of Hg poisoning and slowly but surely clinical symptoms slowly improve. Damn it! I could not stand for 3 minutes but this summer I biked 10 and walked 3 miles, played volleyball and kayaked all in one day! What would you do T as far as diagnosis????
wanjakarls ...@hotmail.com (Vanja K.)
Evidence? You are still waiting for evidence?
What about my destroyed life? What about my mercuryanalysis showing my tumors and thyroidtumors was BUILT from Hg? Is that enough evidence for you?
I HATE ADA for what they have done to all of us-including you dentists!
Vanja Karlsson.
When I was 12 I got 13 fillings made at short intervals by the school dentistry. The Government had decided, that Sweden should have the best dentistry. The problem was, that only amalgam with 50% mercury, one of the strongest nerve poisons on earth, was at hand. Small cavities were drilled into large ones and filled with amalgam, which being very durable deemed us children to live with them for a long time. My chewing gum got a metal-like taste. It has now been scientifically proven, that they leak from the very moment of implantation.
I got ill and at 18 cancer in the thyroid was discovered with metastases up to the left ear. At high school every day was a nuisance, I got still worse marks, in the dining hall I couldn??t manage eating due to tremor. I remember a steady feeling of cold, a stiffness and depression.
I was taken to the cancer hospital, my thyroid was removed including metastases in the lower jaw and up to the left ear. The parathyroids were placed in the wall of the stomach. I got strong radiation and radioactive iodine together with afelong medication. The treatments were long lasting and very painful.
The oncological department saved me from cancer, but I never got healthy. Severe pains moved from one place to another within the same day. I could work no more than a few hours before noon and could have had a diagnosis of fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue.
At an age of 25 the physicians told me that I could get pregnant without any risk for the child. They knew no better, perhaps.
During my pregnancies and the year after I felt better but the pains repeatedly came back. I confirmed that embryos and infants are depoisoning their mothers. Nobody knows what this means to future generations and to the genetics. I never became that kind of mother I wanted to. The fatigue and the pains made leisuretime activities and social contacts impossible. Shyness, anxiety and nausea appeared often.
In the autumn 1999 I was in need of dentistry. The dentist would replace 3 molar fillings with crowns. I did not see any problem in drilling the stuff that had made me ill, nor did I know of the mortal danger by doing so, but after having drilled two of them I was acutely damaged and felt like in hell. It may take months to get rid of that and years before the most severe nerve damages appear. Then it is difficult to link them to the visit at the dentist.
The characteristics of mercury poisoning are the many symptoms.
You dare not tell them all to avoid being considered a hypochondriac.
I have had the following symptoms: Getting cold with the nose stuffed up, tingling lips, arms, fingers and legs, pains in the throat and difficulty of swallowing. The neck feels stiff and gets painful. I got diarrhoea and a burning feeling in the stomach, the diagnosis could have been gastritis, irritable bowel syndrome or irritable colon. You get sensitive to light and sound, sunshine and telephone bell respectively with pains in the head.
The reality seems far away as if looked upon through a tunnel.
The dizziness made one feel as if I were being on board a rolling ship. Strong pains in the legs made me walk like a sailor. The pains and difficulties increase with time, it is as if someone hit the legs with a rubber club leaving large blue patches. I got abscesses and wounds that would not heal, specially on the lower leg and I got traumatic erysipelas due to lack of B-12. The muscles start to twitch on shoulders and around mouth and eyes. The motor function is damaged, it becomes difficult to do up buttons. Problems of the heart appear, it rushes away, it tumbles or seems to stop, it hurts in the region.
Around the chest I felt an iron grip. Head, hands, arms and legs are trembling. The skin of the neck and breast got irritated with a red colour. The near memory disappears.
I have had about 100 symptoms, not all at the same time, but they may change quickly during the day. People and physicians claimed that mercury poisoning does not exist, but I was lucky when it appeared, that the oncological department had saved my tumour and the thyroid gland.
Normal amount of mercury in the skeleton and tissue has to be zero. In feces 0,020 ppm = parts per million. The analyses of my tumour, 2 cm from the amalgam filling was 6,4 ppm and that of the thyroid was 114 ppm This means en clair, that all the fixed mercury in the stable fillings had been released to my body and given me a life filled with illness!
I was a happy and strong girl entering the school dentistry in 1968 to receive the best dentistry and was told that amalgam is stable with mercury fixed. My analyses showed that this is the gratest lie ever told, and now 36 years later I get them replaced hoping to recover and get part of the excellent health back, which they stole from me at the age of 12.
"Tony Bad" SpamSpamS...@bakedbeans.spam
Mercury poisoning exists. No one denies that. From what you relate, it certainly sounds like that was your problem, but the source of your mercury is an important issue to resolve...is it not?
As for what I would do as far as a diagnosis, if the tests said you had mercury poisoning, then I would say you have mercury poisoning. I would then look to possible sources of that mercury burden and take steps to relieve it. I would, however, be careful not to pinpoint a source of the problem until I actually knew what it was. Addressing a problem or recommending a course of care before knowing the true nature of the problem is imprudent. As I said before, you story provides considerable food for thought, and persons with similar symptoms would most definitely want to investigate the type of care that worked for you, however, a blanket recommendation to avoid or remove amalgam fillings on the basis of your story would make little sense to me. In your case, it seemsthe level of certainty regarding where your mercury came from or whether removing your fillings is what prompted your cure is unclear. Perhaps you have a greater feeling of certainty, and maybe that is because of other things that I missed in reading or you have yet to share.
Your cause may be clear, but where that cause came from seems uncertain.
T
"Tony Bad" SpamSpamS...@bakedbeans.spam
A very sad story, but I am not sure what to make of it. If you expose multiples of people to the same levels of metals known to cause pathology, such as lead, mercury, or others, there will be varying degrees of pathology, but the swings are not so wide. While statistics mean little to someone like you, since you were so affected, there are millions if not billions of people who have had amalgam fillings without developing the problems you have had. What do we make of that.
Sometime ago a child in our town died after going into anaphylactic shock from eating cookies made with peanut butter. Her parents could undoubtedly write a story of their child's suffering and of the poisons that caused it, yet, this is not the reaction most have. To the overwhelming majority of people, what harmed this child is benign to others. Where then does the problem lie? If the overwhelming majority of people are not adversely effected by something what are we to make of that? I have worked with amalgam for many years, and also have an amalgam restoration on every back tooth, except one with a crown, and have none of the symptoms you describe.
Like I said, I am not sure what to make of your condition or report.
T ...
"NOYB" N...@noyb.com
Great story...until chemistry, commonsense and reason gets in the way. If amalgams are 50% mercury, and "all the fixed mercury in the stable fillings had been released to (your) body", then half of each filling would be missing.
Were your amalgams shrunk down to half their size? How'd they stay in the tooth if they were half their original size?
I'm sorry about your thyroid cancer, but mercury in dental amalgams didn't cause it. I had an 18 year old patient with thyroid cancer, and she never had a filling in her life. Maybe she kissed too many boys that had amalgam fillings in *their* mouths? Or maybe she was just unlucky...
"NOYB" N...@noyb.com
You can make toilet paper of it...but that would be cruel and unusual punishment for your bum.
I like where she says "all of the mercury from the fillings was now in her body". If amalgams are 50% mercury, what was still in her tooth?
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
True!
All products, not just the consumer products can get the ADA seal ,,, but that is not mandatory ~ FDA approval is!
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:31:17 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
In 1964 Lester Burket, DDS, MD was Chairman of the ADA's Council on Dental Therapeutics. Crest wanted the ADA seal. Crest provided a CE program (continuing education) for all of the dentists in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Right afterwards they got their approval!
Politics!
Joel On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:31:17 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
Or tell everyone that he is helping them "leave" their old person-poisoning dentists!
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
Dear Chuck, It was asbestosis. Now go make a web page and tell everyone!
Joel On 25 Sep 2003 16:56:13 GMT, chuckm...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD) wrote:
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
They do not call you Scientific Chuck for nothing! That is a double-blind study if there ever was one!
Joel On 25 Sep 2003 19:33:59 GMT, chuckm...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD) wrote:
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. joeleic...@yahoo.com
This has to be Carabelli writing this!
Joel On 25 Sep 2003 13:38:34 -0700, wanjakarls...@hotmail.com (Vanja K.) wrote:
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I am sure this is from eating cereal not from amalgams .....
On 25 Sep 2003 13:38:34 -0700, wanjakarls...@hotmail.com (Vanja K.) wrote:
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