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"Darrell Everett" ddever...@rogers.com

I'm not a firm advocator of pills correcting or even being a solution to depression. In fact, I only took my medication for a short time.... A very short time. Here are some holistic solutions that hold benefits of there own for feelings of well being.
Water is an unusual substance. It can crystallize into ice, looks heavier but floats. Indeed if it sank, the Oceans would freeze in the winter and you'd be smacking your cars into penguins at traffic lights! Commercials tote creams for your skin at sometimes exorbitant pricing that water can much more readily provide for. It also adds a glow to the skin that only an increased oxygen supply to the brain can provide for. You should be drinking eight gl***es of it a day to help cleanse your system of various impurities.
It has a healing effect, promotes digestion and produces substantial weight loss that fad diets can't lay claim to. That's because the body produces extra fat cells in response to you starving yourself to death. Increased urination may seem bothersome but your kidneys will love it and will ward off the development of kidney stones provided your water source isn't mineral saturated. And kidney stones are a pain you'll wish you never encountered... Youthful exuberance and increased alertness are your prize...
If you've had kidney stones and your kidney's holding capacity has diminished? Cranberry juice and more cranberry juice! But water is good too!
Especially if you have a propensity toward alcohol!
If you're a big meat eater, and as much as you hate to, cut your meat supply in half and replace it with healthy, dark green vegetables. This will increase the alertness increased water supply provides for, by an additional 21%! It will remove that sluggish, energy drained feeling so conducive to triggering negative thoughts...
You can sprinkle your new found craving for salads with  "virgin olive oil"... Although expensive, it wasn't dubbed "Lorenzo's Oil" for nothing.
And what good would attempting to increase oxygen supply to the brain be without arteries cleared of fatty deposits! Yes I said "cleared"... Though Canola oil might reduce your bodies production of dangerous high density lippo-proteins it does not increase your supply of helpful low density lippos... Olive oil is the only oil that can do that for you...
Stationary bikes are helpful but scenery, fresh air, the challenge of a hill, the reward of it's downside, participation with other cyclists and perhaps an errand to run, are more conducive to your continuing the process over greater periods of time. And I find a two hour Tennis match less stressful than a twenty minute stationary bike ride. Take long walks after you eat if you can't ride a bike. Long walks promote digestion as well and they're free of charge...
Fitness Centers are worth the time, effort and monetary expenditure! They'll have dietary advice for you as well. And their steam rooms will help your body rid itself of poisonous toxins while doing little more than chatting up a storm. And swimming can be pleasurable as well as providing your body with a full workout... They can ***ist you with back problems and design a program for your own bodies metabolism. And you insomniacs will find  that you sleep more soundly too.
And if you smoke, all of this will be much harder to do... At least attempt to cut down or switch to a lesser brand before attempting to change your bodies chemistry at all! A doctor should be consulted for your own safety!
Thousands of harmful chemicals you've ingested may rebel at your attempt!
And potions to remove toxins can be harmful if you've ingested gl*** during childhood. Toxins can be harmful to the skin where they're released. Natural methods are more incremental and less risky...
Stay off those little annoyances that fluster you throughout your day and train your mind to trigger at the least such occurrence! Dismiss them altogether if you can... Regard them as steps to other things... Your frustration levels will gradually subside and come in handy for a level head when you need it most.
Just a few tips... If any of you have any more, they'd be most welcomed...
D.

"Darrell Everett" ddever...@rogers.com

See? I didn't know that! They may well say it doesn't exist because in reflects the abscence of something... I have been known to have a sweet tooth on occasion... Any occasion I can find!!!
I know that Hexe... Thanks for pointing that out just the same! I just wonder if some of us "haven't" seen under-lying reasons for our depression? If some have avoided treatment perhaps? I understand what you're saying too...
Kind of like that "Clapper commercial" Remember? "Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!" Not to make fun... But perhaps "guilt" is a good topic for discussion then? Or will some just get unnerved for that too? I thought one of the reasons we're here is to face up to our deamons... I thought that was "part" of "recovery" and though it may sound like a hinderance to some, I was hoping some may glean something useful to them. You can't make mayonnaise if you don't crack some eggs... I know these things are hard to do. I come from the "No pain no gain!" school and usually misalign with "disposable cup" folk... I'm not doing a lot of what I *should* be doing either.
I feel a need to address that. Speaking on behalf of "everyone" here would be an impossible task! I know Shrinks think so. And so do a lot of their patients... Oh fiddle... C'mon... Let me buy you a slushy :-) Wanna smell my feet? I don't know!!! I'm new at this stuff... An annoiying little, sludge like newbe... If I go for a wizz now, will my blood pressure lower? Pesky aren't I!

"Darrell Everett" ddever...@rogers.com

Because that's how you've always been and everyone is at least a little fearful of the unknown. Maybe it's failure, regressing to childhood, any number of things... Sounds like a perfectly normal (I hate that word) reaction to me... You'll do what you need to when you're ready and not a moment before... But when though? Sounds like I just achieved : "I said maybe and that's final!" Ever been afraid to open a gift cuz you wonder what's inside but are afraid it won't be what you're hoping for?
That's how my depression feels to me... It sits with all it's wrapping and bows, sticking a surprize of a tongue at me, waiting and gathering dust while I feel there's something inside that may spoil! I only know one thing.
When I do get to tearing that wrapper, it 's always with a vengence!
Of course... There's no work in the grave... You have physical problems and so do I! Lots of them... And if you can't have chocholate, you're going to have such a craving for the stuff... At least some adjustments will have to be made for what our bodies tell us. But a mind uncontroled controls you! Are you on Meds? Are you overstacking your plate at lunch? Can you stick some music on your computer until after the work's done? Can you divide it up? Or do you want it done and out of the way...
Who's there to help motivate you during the day? There's always lots to feel guilty for but what are the mitigating circumstances?
Old habits die hard but guilt won't kill them... It will only confirm their control over you! You have a conscience but it will cross your wires if it keeps sending you the wrong message. I'll try not to get religious but another word for the devil is "the accuser!" What about whoever invented the "Vegamatic?" If they're in the Bahamas sucking back daquiries, would they accuse you of not getting your chores done? Would they be right to? Guilt is mental cancer!
You can remove a snippit here or a snippit there and it comes right back unless you get it all! How much guilt is enough? The unconscience mind is tricky too! What if you're slicing up some salami someday and you take your fingers with it? No need to worry about doing dishes now! And guess what?
You'd still feel guilty about it... It was my carelessness that got me etc...
And it grows! It stands over you finally, like a lumbering giant! Oh! I wish we could just package the thing and send it off to the moon and let rave from there....
I read your other post... You did get it all done! What you said you would do you did! And you got more books besides! You did well... Congratulate yourself! Let tomorrow's dishes soak and read one :-) You're not guilty Hexe!
Even that you should only "want" to get it done... Consider it so!
D.

"Christina Foster Peterson" cfosterdixREM...@hotmail.com

Hi Darrell, you got the oils right, but the densities wrong.  The soft lipids glob onto your artery walls, and the high density lipids come along and scour them out.
Other "non-medical" tactics, include exercise, certain herbs including ginkgo and ginseng.  Oriental healing arts also help (like Qi Gung).  But my most important tactic is prioritizing.
Christina ...

"Darrell Everett" ddever...@rogers.com

Oh... That makes better sense. I was wondering if I might have the silly thing in reverse... Good explination too! It will help me hang on to the proper order. Thank you Christina!
Proper order insures that things work in unison. And ginko. That's the memory boosting one. I should look into that one some more. I always thought Oriental medicine worked via the Yin and Yang, viewing disease as either hot or cold and administering the apropriate counter mix. What is "Qi Gung" and how does it work? I've never heard of that one...

"Christina Foster Peterson" cfosterdixREM...@hotmail.com

Qi Gung (pronounced Chi Kung) involves "directing energy", emphasizing breath and the "cauldron" of energy in the belly.  A healing art, not a martial art.   In advanced Karate, the more meditative energy directing form, one can literal m***age the innards by muscle control and directing energy.  Acupuncture has had some good results for depression too, and is fairly uncomplicated for the patient.
There are many forms of oriental healing arts and herbology, most of which I do not know.
Christina ...

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