Netherlands Panel Rejects ADHD Diagnosis
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jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2002/09/30/Politics/9F0CE998-E1D2-4D31...
-DC5D76BF78A7.shtml Netherlands Panel Rejects ADHD Diagnosis as a Mental Illness The recent ruling of the Netherlands Advertisement Code Commission (NACC) concerning the diagnosis of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) may be a first step toward exposing in the United States what many experts long have argued is a fraudulent diagnosis.
As the result of a lawsuit filed by the Dutch chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, an international psychiatric watchdog organization, the NACC ruled that, "The information that the defendant [the Netherlands Brain Foundation] presented gives no grounds for the definitive statement that ADHD is an inherent brain dysfunction. ??¦ Under the circumstances, the defendant has not been careful enough and the advertisement is misleading." The NACC explained in its ruling that, "The defendant states in her statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction and [we] can rely on the results of scientific research and scientific articles about the cause of ADHD. The information that the defendant presented does not provide sufficient grounds for the definite statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction. While searching for the cause of ADHD, the different research projects give different possibilities. There is no unequivocal opinion on the cause of ADHD in the papers that the defendant presented." In short, "scientific" data presented to show that ADHD is a mental disorder was not convincing and the NACC ordered the Brain Foundation to cease false claims to the contrary in its advertising.
Insight has reported extensively on the alleged ADHD diagnosis, including statements by some of the top U.S. medical experts, that are in line with the Dutch government's ruling. For instance, David Satcher said in his 1999 Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health that, "There is no definitive lesion, laboratory test or abnormality in brain tissue that can identify the illness." And the 1998 Consensus Development Conference on the Diagnosis of Treatment of ADHD, held by the National Institutes of Health, states: "We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction. ??¦ Finally, after years of clinical research and experience with ADHD, our knowledge about the cause or causes of ADHD remains speculative."
"Bronsing" r.brons...@NOSPAMerasmusmc.nl
Actually, the ruling was that the Nederlandse Hersen Stichting (dutch brain foundation) is not allowed to claim that ADHD is a congenital or genetic brain disorder, because there isn't enough evidence to support that claim.
The ruling had no bearing on the diagnosis of ADHD itself, just on the aetiology of the disorder. So, the claim that this is a first step toward exposing adhd as a fraudulent diagnosis is incorrect.
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Robert Bronsing Can't you see?
It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence (R. Waters)
Peter Bowditch myfirstn...@ratbags.com
A wing of Scientology, that notoriously anti-psychiatrist cult.
Here is what the founder of Scientology said about Jesus. Jan must agree with it, as she supports Scientology's attack on Ritalin.
"For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred" So, Jan, was Jesus a pedophile? Opponents of Ritalin think so.
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bl1 ...@aol.comforgetit (BL 1204)
Isn't this an example of flawed logic? Let's see-- I support finding and punishing Osama Bin Laden. Focus on the Family head Dr. Dobson also supports finding and punishing Osama Bin Laden. Dr. Dobson favors allowing corporal punishment in schools. Therefore I MUST favor corporal punishment in schools.
You have to be kidding???? Why can't people here make logical sense in their posts? BL "As the waves p*** the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL
"Rich Shewmaker" r...@ilhawaii.net
He is "kidding," or at least is making a perhaps too subtle jab at Jan's typically flawed logic. I realize that tongue-in-cheek humor is sometimes difficult to recognize in the written word, but please, BL, try to be a little more alert for it.
--Rich
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" MarcProber...@lumbercartel.com
The Kriminal Kult of $cientology just cannot stand to have any competition for the bucks of anyone with a problem.
bl1 ...@aol.comforgetit (BL 1204)
Then how was it relevant? AFAIK, Jesus is not on topic for this newsgroup.
BL "As the waves p*** the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" MarcProber...@lumbercartel.com
Yes, it is. However, it is the type jan uses, thus, it seems appropriate to use when discussing soemthing withher. I am sure Peter gets a migraine every time he attempts it, but, it is well known that he wil lsacrifice himself for such a noble cause.
Let's see-- I support finding and Please ask Jan.
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" MarcProber...@lumbercartel.com
newsgroup.
Mister, you are in BIG trouble with Jan Drew. She wil think you are an evil atheist.
jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
*maybe a first step toward exposing in the United States what many experts long have argued is a fraudulent diagnosis.* **advertisement is misleading.* Jan
jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
*The recent ruling of the Netherlands Advertisement Code Commission (NACC)* <snip Peter's lame excuses and diversion> These are the facts.
the information that the defendant [the Netherlands Brain Foundation] presented gives no grounds for the definitive statement that ADHD is an inherent brain dysfunction. ??¦ Under the circumstances, the defendant has not been careful enough and the advertisement is misleading." The NACC explained in its ruling that, "The defendant states in her statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction and [we] can rely on the results of scientific research and scientific articles about the cause of ADHD. The information that the defendant presented does not provide sufficient grounds for the definite statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction. While searching for the cause of ADHD, the different research projects give different possibilities. There is no unequivocal opinion on the cause of ADHD in the papers that the defendant presented." In short, "scientific" data presented to show that ADHD is a mental disorder was not convincing and the NACC ordered the Brain Foundation to cease false claims to the contrary in its advertising.
Insight has reported extensively on the alleged ADHD diagnosis, including statements by some of the top U.S. medical experts, that are in line with the Dutch government's ruling. For instance, David Satcher said in his 1999 Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health that, "There is no definitive lesion, laboratory test or abnormality in brain tissue that can identify the illness." And the 1998 Consensus Development Conference on the Diagnosis of Treatment of ADHD, held by the National Institutes of Health, states: "We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction. ??¦ Finally, after years of clinical research and experience with ADHD, our knowledge about the cause or causes of ADHD remains speculative."
jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
It is the usual lame effort to make the thread about Jan, because this doesn't come from organized medicine.
Jan
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" MarcProber...@lumbercartel.com
What has been missed by all, but not me, is the absoultely absurd scenario that a court is determining a purely medical question.
If this is the standard, then go to your alternative layer to get your amalgams removed.
(Jan will not understand that).
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" MarcProber...@lumbercartel.com
That is right. It comes from a court ruliong on a medical question. Absurd.
Eric Bohlman ebohl...@earthlink.net
For another example of this problem, this time related to MMR in Britain, see <http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006E019.htm>, particularly the bit about how invasive diagnostic procedures were performed on children for the sole purpose of gathering legal evidence; the results of the procedures would not affect the treatment the children were receiving.
jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
This is known as: Remember that most people do not have sufficient time or expertise for careful discrimination, and tend to accept or reject the whole of an unfamiliar situation.
** So discredit the whole story by attempting to discredit *part* of the story.
Here's how: a) take one element of a case completely out of context; b) find something prosaic that hypothetically could explain it; c) declare that therefore that one element has been explained; d) call a press conference and announce to the world that the entire case has been explained!
What Mark and Eric DISmisses is this: http://www.insightmag.com/news/2002/09/30/Politics/9F0CE998-E1D2-4D31...
-DC5D76BF78A7.shtml Netherlands Panel Rejects ADHD Diagnosis as a Mental Illness The recent ruling of the Netherlands ***Advertisement Code Commission (NACC)**** concerning the diagnosis of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) may be a first step toward exposing in the United States what many experts long have argued is a fraudulent diagnosis.
As the result of a lawsuit filed by the Dutch chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, an international psychiatric watchdog organization, the NACC ruled that, "The information that the defendant [the Netherlands Brain Foundation] presented gives no grounds for the definitive statement that ADHD is an inherent brain dysfunction. ??¦ Under the circumstances, the defendant has not been careful enough and the **advertisement is misleading*** The NACC explained in its ruling that, "The defendant states in her statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction and [we] can rely on the results of scientific research and scientific articles about the cause of ADHD.
***The information that the defendant presented does not provide sufficient grounds for the definite statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction.** While searching for the cause of ADHD, the different research projects give differentpossibilities. There is no unequivocal opinion on the cause of ADHD in the papers that the defendant presented." **In short, "scientific" data presented to show that ADHD is a mental disorder was not convincing and the NACC ordered the Brain Foundation to cease false claims to the contrary in its advertising.*** Insight has reported extensively on the alleged ADHD diagnosis, including statements by some of the top U.S. medical experts, that are in line with the Dutch government's ruling.
**For instance, David Satcher said in his 1999 Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health that, "There is no definitive lesion, laboratory test or abnormality in brain tissue that can identify the illness." And the 1998 Consensus Development Conference on the Diagnosis of Treatment of ADHD, held by the National Institutes of Health, states: "We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction. ??¦ Finally, after years of clinical research and experience with ADHD, our knowledge about the cause or causes of ADHD remains speculative.*** Jan
Peter Bowditch myfirstn...@ratbags.com
Opposition to psychiatry is a religious principle of Scientology, it is not simply a matter of opinion for believers. Jan has continually made an issue of religion, even suggesting that opposition to quackery is derived from the influence of Satan. For her to be consistent (difficult, I know), she cannot pick and choose which parts of Hubbard's ravings she believes and accepts. She applies universality to me and Dr Barrett, for example, where anything and everything we say is wrong. She has said that my opinions about medicine are related to and informed by my religious beliefs. All I ask is that she applies the same rules to Hubbard and his followers.
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Peter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" MarcProber...@lumbercartel.com
Putting kids through invasive diagnostic procedures for litigation purposes is utterly reprehensible, and AFAIAC, a form of torture.
I see Jan has posted in response to your post, and I suspect she will claim you are diverting or lying.
or both.
"Marciosos7 Probertiosos8" MarcProber...@lumbercartel.com
Pointing out that the entire scenario is patently absurd. Something that this high school drop out cannot understand.
Jan, you are not 0.0000000000000000001% as bright as MOST people.
No, we dismiss an obvious ploy by the Kriminal Kult of $cientology to further their sicko agenda. A court cannot rule on medical matters and have credibility.
Have your alternative dentist represent you in court.
snip Insight has an agenda. It has been shown that there seems to be a connection between Scientology and the magazine.
http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/rit.htm (BTW, regarding your post from Dr. Block...she is also affilaited with Scientology...)
jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
Peter's diversion snipped.
Anytime his beliefs are in question, he reverts back to Scientology.
In this case, the misleading and false advertising.
(that hurts because it is one of the excuses used against alternative practitioners) Like all of the debunkers, he can't deal with the facts, so he makes the thread about Jan.
What the debubnkers would like to DISmisses is this: Do note the US Surgeon General's report.
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2002/09/30/Politics/9F0CE998-E1D2-4D31...
-DC5D76BF78A7.shtml Netherlands Panel Rejects ADHD Diagnosis as a Mental Illness The recent ruling of the Netherlands ***Advertisement Code Commission (NACC)**** concerning the diagnosis of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) may be a first step toward exposing in the United States what many experts long have argued is a fraudulent diagnosis.
As the result of a lawsuit filed by the Dutch chapter of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, an international psychiatric watchdog organization, the NACC ruled that, "The information that the defendant [the Netherlands Brain Foundation] presented gives no grounds for the definitive statement that ADHD is an inherent brain dysfunction. ??¦ Under the circumstances, the defendant has not been careful enough and the **advertisement is misleading*** The NACC explained in its ruling that, "The defendant states in her statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction and [we] can rely on the results of scientific research and scientific articles about the cause of ADHD.
***The information that the defendant presented does not provide sufficient grounds for the definite statement that ADHD is an inborn brain dysfunction.** While searching for the cause of ADHD, the different research projects give differentpossibilities. There is no unequivocal opinion on the cause of ADHD in the papers that the defendant presented." **In short, "scientific" data presented to show that ADHD is a mental disorder was not convincing and the NACC ordered the Brain Foundation to cease false claims to the contrary in its advertising.*** Insight has reported extensively on the alleged ADHD diagnosis, including statements by some of the top U.S. medical experts, that are in line with the Dutch government's ruling.
**For instance, David Satcher said in his 1999 Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health that, "There is no definitive lesion, laboratory test or abnormality in brain tissue that can identify the illness." And the 1998 Consensus Development Conference on the Diagnosis of Treatment of ADHD, held by the National Institutes of Health, states: "We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction. ??¦ Finally, after years of clinical research and experience with ADHD, our knowledge about the cause or causes of ADHD remains speculative.*** Jan
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