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"Mary E. Hill" m...@americanrecycler.com
Hi - new here. My son (only 4) is just starting to see someone for what is probably ADHD and I just started him on L-Theanine supplements. Just wondering if anyone here has tried this stuff and if you had anything to share about it...
Thanks, Mary
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 21, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-21...@limbercartel.com
Well,. let me ask you some questions...
1. Has it ever been tested on 4 year old?
2. Does it have a 50 year track record of being shown to be safe and effective?
3. Are there any scientific studies where it has been shown to be effective in treating AD/HD.
4. Why are you giving your son chemicals for a condition that he has not been diagnosed with?
Now for the good news...
You have a year or so to experiment, and then go get a real diagnosis and real treatment.
ab_l ...@yahoo.com (twice onceler)
I am 39, and I have tried it. I like it for relaxation. However, it does nothing for my ADHD.
Theanine increases alpha waves, beta waves are what is lacking in ADHD. So, why would you want to put someone in a hypnotic trance when they are trying to focus and learn about the world?
"Mary" m...@NO.JUNKamericanrecycler.com
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Basically, I'm getting desperate. He's been tossed from daycares because of his angry, violent outbursts and aggression. If it'll calm him, I'll try it.
Doseage, as we all know, makes a huge difference on personal reaction.
"Mary" m...@NO.JUNKamericanrecycler.com
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 21, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t ...
I guess I'm not that close-minded - I really don't need 50 years worth of study before trying something moderately and gauging my individual results.
No one would use antidepressants or much of anything else if you had to have 50 years.
Not ADHD specifically, but it has been shown to "enhance learning ability in animals and to induce relaxation in human subjects" which is 100% of what I want for my son. He shouldn't miss these building-block years of his development because I'm going to sit around and 'wait and see' like other people do.
Becuase I *really* don't want him to be on any prescription meds if there is *any* way around it. I don't want to lose my son (his personality and natural development) to a drugged versioin in order for him to function in the world. That is why I'm willing to try this supplement at the lowest possible doseage and packaged/designed for children (rest-a-saurus).
And, I'm trying to help him sleep at night, if at all possible. He stays up very late despite every effort on my part and he tosses & turns and says he's so tired but can't get rid of 'his energy'. Then he's tired and more stubborn the next day because of it. If this'll help him relax a bit and help him fall asleep, I'll try it.
Wrong. Once again, I'm not going to wait. We're seeing a psychiatrist (after 7 months of occupation therapy for sensory problems that I don't really think helped) for a diagnosis that is at least a working diagnosis for the sake of teaching him to recognize and temper the building energy he feels.
Thanks for your input tho.
Mary
Emma Chase VanCott 7...@qlink.queensu.ca
: Becuase I *really* don't want him to be on any prescription meds if there is : *any* way around it. I don't want to lose my son (his personality and : natural development) to a drugged versioin in order for him to function in : the world. That is why I'm willing to try this supplement at the lowest These drugs make his brain's frontal lobes "normal", much as insulin makes a diabetic's metabolism "normal".
My own specialist has said that nutritional supplements help in about 5% of ADD/ADHD cases.
Your child deserves better than that. It is sad that he is being denied treatment due to the public's basic misinformation about this neurologically-based brain disorder.
Emma
Emma Chase VanCott 7...@qlink.queensu.ca
: "twice onceler" <ab_l...@yahoo.com> wrote in message : ...
: > "Mary E. Hill" <m...@americanrecycler.com> wrote in message : <>...
: > > Hi - new here. My son (only 4) is just starting to see someone for what : is : > > probably ADHD and I just started him on L-Theanine supplements. Just : > > wondering if anyone here has tried this stuff and if you had anything to : > > share about it...
: > > : > > Thanks, : > > Mary : > : > I am 39, and I have tried it. I like it for relaxation. However, it : > does nothing for my ADHD.
: > : > Theanine increases alpha waves, beta waves are what is lacking in : > ADHD. So, why would you want to put someone in a hypnotic trance when : > they are trying to focus and learn about the world?
: Basically, I'm getting desperate. He's been tossed from daycares because of : his angry, violent outbursts and aggression. If it'll calm him, I'll try it.
: Doseage, as we all know, makes a huge difference on personal reaction.
All that is caused by just ADHD? No.
There's something co-morbid going on there, or more.
Have him ***essed for ODD and conduct disorder, in addition to ADD/ADHD.
Maybe he has the "ring of fire" version of ADHD.
Check Dr. Daniel Amen's website at ---> http://www.brainplace.com Emma
"J. Clarke" jcla...@nospam.invalid
The point is that there are treatments that do have a 50 year track record--why would you use something that doesn't if you haven't first determined that you can't for whatever reason use the ones that do?
Shown by who? Was the research replicated? Was it published in a peer-reviewed journal? If he has ADHD then his learning ability is not the problem--we learn fine as long as we can pay attention to whatever it is we're supposed to be learning. If he has a learning disability then he needs professional help. Curare induces relaxation in human subjects. If not used very carefully it relaxes them to death. This is why it is useful as arrow poison.
Shouldn't miss them while you're dinking around with snake oil you mean.
Why not? Any substance that is effective in treating ADHD is a "drug". The difference is that the prescription drugs have been tested for safety and efficacy while the "natural supplements" have not.
You clearly have been misinformed as to the effects of the medications used to treat ADHD, if that is in fact what he has. I've never felt "drugged" on any ADHD medication except Strattera unless the dosage was too high and needed to be adjusted. My personality is not different on meds either, although others who don't understand what's going on in my head think it is because I'm quieter.
Even though it has no track record and there is no reason to believe that it is safe other than the ***ertions of some snake-oil salesman?
A quarter dose of Ritalin will likely do that just fine. If he has ADHD, he doesn't need to "relax", he needs to stop the noise in his head.
Then quit giving him that damned snake oil. If it is having any effect that effect may either mask symptoms or give false symptoms, making it more difficult to get an accurate diagnosis.
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--John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"Mary" m...@NO.JUNKamericanrecycler.com
As stated earlier, he is being seen by a psychiatrist - 1st appointment with him directly is Monday night (tmrw night) and he has told me he's keeping an open mind to all possible diagnosis. I met with the doc twice now to give him background and hereditary information.
He will be getting professional treatment. I just want to tackle all possible angles to help him while he's the 'most helpable' :) Thanks, Mary
"Mary" m...@NO.JUNKamericanrecycler.com
Emma, How do you figure he is being denied treatment? Where did you surmise that?
Read more before jumping in.
"Mary" m...@NO.JUNKamericanrecycler.com
John, I won't waste my breath or your time - my mind is open to everything, not only some things.
Thanks, Mary
"Katherine Wolfe" wolfm...@aracnet.com
Unfortunately though, you mind doesn't seem to be very open to the treatment that has been proven through scientific research to be the most effective for people with ADHD. Please do keep your options open as far as medication goes - many of us with ADD don't function well without it, and many children do very well on it. If your child isn't one of those, then you wouldn't need to continue using medication, but it would be a shame if he could have been helped by medication, but never got a chance to try it.
Katherine
"Mary" m...@NO.JUNKamericanrecycler.com
Again, as stated earlier in the thread, he is seeing a psychiatrist starting tomorrow (I've already been in twice for background, etc.) and have never stated that I won't consider prescription drugs, but if there are other options, I would like to consider those.
I agree that he needs whatever will help him most.
Thanks, Mary
"J. Clarke" jcla...@nospam.invalid
The surmise comes from the fact that you object to the use of the standard prescription medications and have already started him on some snake-oil nutritional supplement that nobody has ever heard of.
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--John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"J. Clarke" jcla...@nospam.invalid
Is it open to the possibility that someone who has been fighting ADHD for 50 years and has first hand experience with most of the prescription meds and many of the "natural supplements" might actually know more about what it's like from the inside and what those meds and supplements will and won't actually do than you do?
L-Theanine has a very low probability of success in treating ADHD. In fact since there is one study that seems to indicate that it counteracts the effects of caffeine, and since the mechanism by which caffeine interacts with the central nervous system is very similar to that by which several of the medications used to treat ADHD interact with the central nervous system, there is a possibility that it will not only not help, but may prevent the prescription meds from helping and may make things worse.
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--John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Ann ann...@thecia.net
No, it isn't, it's only open to alternatives. Try reading what others write instead of insisting you're the only one who is.
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Ann ann...@thecia.net
Ann ann...@thecia.net
A 'drugged versioin' (sic). My son was hardly drugged when he took Ritalin to help him in school. His personality was just fine, intact, and he developed quite naturally. He stopped taking it when he thought he could. You have really bought into a bill of goods if you think children who take medication for ADHD are 'drugged'.
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Ann ann...@thecia.net
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 24, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-24...@limbercartel.com
Guess the answer is NO.
Well, that is an excellent way to start off. Do you realize that you just described yourself as a non-thinker?
I really don't need 50 years worth of However, those medication have undergone monitored human trials. Your chemical has not.
Your motives are correct, but, your method needs tuning.
I suggest that YOU have a closed mind, and have not considered the fact that YOU ARE WRONG. This does not happen to a child on medication.
However, you neglected to address the most important question, HAS HE BEEN PROPERLY DIAGNOSED? If not, why not? Do not give him ANYTHING, until you have done so. If you need su=ome guidance on proper diagnostic protocol, just ask. It is readily available.
If you want to make him a gineau pig, I cannot stop you.
However, get him to a real doctor and have him checked out.
Hopefully, he wil have had a thoroguh physical and psychological testing prior to the psych.
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 24, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-24...@limbercartel.com
He is being denied treatment since you stil ldo not know what problems he has, if any. Since you are trying hit-or-miss, with untested chemcials, he is clearly being denied treatment.
It seems that you posted with your mind made up.
If so, fine. Do not couch your posts with the air of seeking information, as your credibility his the flusher real quick.
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 24, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-24...@limbercartel.com
Wrong. Your "mind" is not open to the use of tried and tested medications.
My mind is open to proper diagnosis and proper treatment.
tadams ...@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)
Nothing has 50 year track record in four year olds.
I am not aware of anything that fits these high standards for four year olds.
Perhaps you can cite something.
If I were her, I would probably try whatever the shrink recommends, even it is an off-label application of a drug.
And, I would also try a bunch of other things that also don't meet your standards.
I guess you must think that the progression of ADHD is somehow set in concrete in all cases from conception to age 5? Where did you get this idea?
You need to be more skeptical.
m ...@earthlink.net (Emma Anne)
How long has it been around? I like herbal stuff, but I'm much more gun shy since I found out the Kava Kava I was taking has been shown to cause liver damage. (!) Just keep in mind that anything that has an effect has side effects. Also, anything that changes your brain chemistry is a drug, even if you buy it at Wild Oats.
"J. Clarke" jcla...@nospam.invalid
Does "L-Theanine" have a 50 year track record of _any_ kind?
Can you show any studies that show that "L-Theanine" has been shown to be effective in treating ADHD in patients of _any_ age?
That is certainly reasonable.
Would you try those before or after seeing the shrink, would you try them in addition to or instead of what the shrink recommends, would you discuss them with the shrink before using them or would you just start up on your own?
Skeptical of what? A kid in school with ADHD is going to have difficulties with cl***work, a pre-schooler unless he's doing something unusual or has ADHD _real_ bad isn't going to be doing anything to which ADHD presents a significant obstacle. Last time I checked a four-year-old was a preschooler, who won't be entering school until he's six, so depending on when he turned 4 he may have 1-2 years before he starts school and ADHD starts to become an obstacle to achievement.
So it's reasonable to say that there's a year or in which lack of treatment is not a serious problem.
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--John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 24, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-24...@limbercartel.com
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So far, regardless of age, one medication has a fifty year track record of being safe and effective.
See above.
But, first and foremost, get the kid properly evaluated. As she has mentioned, she has not as yet had a psych eval. I would hope that there were be appropriate psychological testing, etc., before the psych eval. In any event, having the kid take something which has not undergone extensive controlled human trials is just dumb.
Such as?
I guess you like to raise strawmen, or do you concede that you may have mis-interpreted what I wrote?
I am, That was the entire point of my message too her. Too bad you did not see it.
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 24, 2004" M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-24...@limbercartel.com
Damn, John, you have an uncanny grasp of the obvious.
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