Tough Love for T2s
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Ana Sarca anasa...@oh.no.not.me
Decaf.
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Darren Wilson fi...@iprimus.com.au
My fasting BG without medication is around 170. Maybe I should just curl up and die?
sambalo ...@aol.comSpamFree (Bev)
While I agree a lot of people are out of control, it isn't always a matter of eating the wrong things. When I went on insulin alone, I eventually had to go to almost zero carbs out of desperation (the doctors didn't seem to think 400 was a "bad" number, as long as I was still ratcheting up the dose 2u at a time!) I however, was freaking out......I knew the damage involved, so I started treating myself with leftover Glucophage, and it worked like a charm. I'm glad I had the knowledge and guts to take it on myself to do it, BECAUSE of this group and what I've learned here.
Some folks DON'T have access to the information we have here, and don't even KNOW what they are doing to themselves, because their doctors don't tell them, and don't care.
I talked with a longtime customer over the phone Friday. She was asking me to see if she had a package in her PO Box, as she was our of needles for her insulin pen, and was getting worried.
Her package was there, thank goodness.......and for some reason I mentioned that I was diabetic.
She began asking me questions, and the story began unwinding. She has been diagnosed since 1986, 7 years longer than me. She's taken "insulin pills", then Glucovance (supposedly she was taken off it due to kidney damage) now she's on Humulin 70/30 alone, with a dosage like 20u AM/20u PM.
Trouble is, her BGs range from 250-400 ALL THE TIME, and her doctor sees no problem with this. Did I mention that this is the same freakin doctor that killed my coworker's mother a couple of months back by giving her two rounds of steroids and never even checking her BGs, when he was her diabetes doctor?!?
She's the last surviving sibling in her family, seems all of them have died of complications of diabetes. She's as big around as she is tall, smokes, and her doctor doesn't tell her what she is doing to herself. I tried to calmly bring her into the real world, but she had to run, and promised to call me back at another time.
I wanted to cry.
Bev Remove the "SpamFree" for email, please.
Brandon Blatcher nomadic...@home.com
well, actually yeah. Eating isn't just eating. It's a social ritual that we're ingrained with from an early age.
stop reading the group.
considering that most don't, I would say it IS difficult. considering that most of the diets we grew up with are the problem, i'd say it's very difficult. Since you're posting from an address in the American South, you're probably familiar with the Southern diet and how awful that is, healthwise. Keep in mind, people are taught to eat like that from an early age, which leads to problem.
I just had a small bowl of Total (the ceral) with lactaid. I *thought* I was eating healthy, and in small portions, while dealing with being lactose intorerant too. But that 200 BG says different.
One of the most annoying things about diabetes (at least for me) is that there often isn't a direct result of the damage being down. Logically I know that the 200 BG is damn unhealthy, but I feel fine. I FEEL FINE.
Hell, I was patting myself in the back for eating healthy. But there's this little device, that after 30 seconds of waiting hell, which comes after having to CUT MYSELF, that says I am extremely unhealthy. It's all abstract. When I have a cold, I can tell. When my BG's are outta whack, I can't often tell.
What's pi**ed? Pitted? Pibbed (soda isn't good for you!) Pissed? If so, then act like an adult and say the word. It won't kill (no carbs!) So I shouldn't eat that Krispy Kreme doughnut?
Irv Finkleman fink...@shaw.ca
A reminder which we should all read once in a while, just to keep us in line. It's not difficult, in fact it has been easy for me although there are a lot of things I had to give up, but I feel better now than I have for many years. Getting out of line can mean that it will become more difficult. Knowledge is power!
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Rone ...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
You sure do sound angry, It is spewing from your fingers,k I know you mean well and sometimes tough love works and sometimes it doesnt.How many have been told the horrible consequnces of their action. but something in their minds just doesnt accept it and they pay the price I am in the good category so it doesnt really pertain to me, Unfortunately wheat you advocate in a rather vengeful way is true, but they are only words and each person has to be responsible for themselves. We try to be supportive and yet tell it like it is, but we arent policepersons that can monitor everyone.
Not everyone hear has died becaue of diabetes There are other reasons too.
I think that while we care and support the other people in our group, each persons main concern has to be for themselves and how they are doing They will either shape up or they will ship out.
Your message was well meaning but in my opinion, it was too rough.
Words asre easy, actions are not.
Loretta PS Non compliant diabeics need to go to a shrink to find out why they are destroying themselves and to find out how they can change destructive behavior.
If you've been T2 for ages and have burned out your beta cells, jump to next thread.
If you're still here, then I want to unburden myself all over you.
I stopped posting about a month ago when things here got inane. Since then, I've lurked. My inate nature is to be soft and soothing to folks.
"Take it easy, don't get upset." But my guilt has built up too much. Twenty, thirty, forty percent of you are f***ing killing yourself not so slowly. If that is your goal fine. I can cope with the Sylvia Plaths of the world.
But if you are really trying to live with this piece of s**t disease, then get a damn clue. I read the long survey thread about BGs. The only possible conclusion is that many (most) T2s here are insanely out of control.
Is eating that god damn important to you?
I'm sick and f***ing tired of reading obits in this group. There is no damn reason for it, not for those of us who've had this light weight disease for less than a decade. Buy a vowel. Keep your damn BG's under control. It is not that difficult for fairly recent T2s.
If you *ever* see a BG (30 minute, 1 hr, 2 hr, I don't care) over 130 then DON"T EAT THAT CRAP AGAIN. What on earth are you thinking???
Yea, I'm pi**ed. I'm pi**ed as hell that so many here are molly coddling everyone into killing themselves. I have no gawd damn respect for those who tell people "oh, don't worry, you'll be fine" when they are f***ing killing themselves. I'm sick of it.
Find another hobby besides eating crap. Keep your damn BGs under control. LIVE.
In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
"Diana" x...@oooo.xxx
Hope you feel better now.
Diana
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"Diana" x...@oooo.xxx
I didn't take your post as being tough love. I took it as someone who has a deep comp***ion for those who are giving up and not trying to do what is right to keep them alive. I took it as someone whose heart is breaking from losing people they see here and probably knowing they didn't take good care of themselves.
Charles died from a heart attack....most likely diabetes related as he had been diabetic for years. The only soothing think is he lived a full long life. Then there was Doug....Young just 43 years old who died of kidney failure which was diabetes related as two years ago when he decided to get on the wagon and take care of himself he discovered to have kidney disease from his diabetes and now Wolf a tender age of about 38.... his was heart failure most likely due to his diabetes. When Wolf came to see me and my husband he was not taking care of himself then and I was told by him many times how much he loved to cook and eat. So all three were because of diabetes and it is sad to say the least.
I myself just about a month ago really started trying. I was finally sick of not being able to enjoy my five year old grandson. I have in the last month went from 330 lb to 301 as of this morning. I went from having blood sugars of 300 plus after meals and 200 plus FBGs to now as of this past week having after meals of about 130 or below and FBGS of about 110 or below. I am trying now and I hope like Doug and Wolf it isn't too late.
Like you halflife, I am tired of reading alt.obit instead of alt.support.
These three men were friends to me and I had met one in real life but felt I knew the others too as they , in email , were kind and supporting to me in every way. All three are deeply missed by me. I do know one thing about all three though. When it is my time to go they will be here to meet me and make my p***ing over not so frightening. All three loved the Lord with all their heart.
Thanks for listening.
Diana
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Richard Morris rtmor...@pdqnet.com
I would invite you to stop, step back and apply your incredible analytical skills to the problem which you have laid out pretty well: Despite the fact that there is first-cl*** information here on this newsgroup, and reasonably good access to health care out there, a percentage of people are not maintaining good control.
The *easy* explanation for that is, "non-compliance", to use the medical terminology. Your post ***umes that all a non-compliant person needs is a verbal kick in the ***. Infortunately, I don't think it is that easy, and if that were all it took we could appoint you to be newsgroup ***-kicker and cut way back on our posts! :) However, it has been my experience that for many people it is extremely difficult for them to change. Posts such as yours tend to get their attention, and tend to help create an awareness that change is needed, and may even generate a little motivation. But what really is needed beyond that is the daily interpersonal social support: teaching, encouragement, pushing, dragging, praising, information giving, and so forth.
You are pretty good at that stuff too. So how about stopping with the lurking, and getting yer butt back in here and providing that stuff to folks too? You have your own perspective to add to this group. We need you. I need you.
Richard
"RK" r...@zer0limit.net
You live in a fantasy world I might be a T1 and your post is for T2's but doesn't matter what "type" you are, we are human and there is going to be up and down days, no matter what we do about control, no matter what we do about eating, how much or of what.
I feel you might have your heart in the right place, but this isn't tough love, you were down right degrating imho to alot that are here for support lurking, looking for important information and all you just gave them was a another kick in the *** that they are a POS for not being able to control this disease.
Ever think, not everyone is lucky to have a doctor that cares or that is knowledgable? I for one and many here know my story went almost 17 months not knowing dick shit about how to control this. Even today we all have our problems, some might be on the verge of being a LADA, some might still be T2's with their pancreas almost burnt out, have other underlaying problems, such as thyroids adrenals, whatever..
Perhaps instead of thinking your giving "tough love" ever thought of a farkin' bit of "love & support" it goes a hell of alot further in the long run.
my .09 (inflation)
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: If you're not T2, then jump to next thread.
: : If you've been T2 for ages and have burned out your beta cells, jump : to next thread.
: : If you're still here, then I want to unburden myself all over you.
: : I stopped posting about a month ago when things here got inane.
Since : then, I've lurked. My inate nature is to be soft and soothing to : folks. "Take it easy, don't get upset." : : But my guilt has built up too much. Twenty, thirty, forty percent of : you are f***ing killing yourself not so slowly. If that is your goal : fine. I can cope with the Sylvia Plaths of the world.
: : But if you are really trying to live with this piece of s**t disease, : then get a damn clue. I read the long survey thread about BGs.
The : only possible conclusion is that many (most) T2s here are insanely out : of control.
: : Is eating that god damn important to you?
: : I'm sick and f***ing tired of reading obits in this group. There is : no damn reason for it, not for those of us who've had this light : weight disease for less than a decade. Buy a vowel. Keep your damn : BG's under control. It is not that difficult for fairly recent T2s.
: : If you *ever* see a BG (30 minute, 1 hr, 2 hr, I don't care) over 130 : then DON"T EAT THAT CRAP AGAIN. What on earth are you thinking???
: : Yea, I'm pi**ed. I'm pi**ed as hell that so many here are molly : coddling everyone into killing themselves. I have no gawd damn : respect for those who tell people "oh, don't worry, you'll be fine" : when they are f***ing killing themselves. I'm sick of it.
: : Find another hobby besides eating crap. Keep your damn BGs under : control. LIVE.
: :
"Diana" x...@oooo.xxx
I agree with you Richard. Stop with the lurking and git right back here. Ya know we need ya. :-) Diana trying to sound like a Hamiltuckian LOL
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"Tiger Lily" TigerL...@nospam.alt-support-diabetes.org
nope, but the body has a way of changing mid stride on you..........
metabolic changes happen........ if you are a woman, they happen every month like clockwork........ only they don't happen the same way every month!....... more mystery work in this world of diabetes i have never heard ANYONE say that a bg of 300 is nothing to worry about..... we all rally around and try to help the person find their way back to normal bg levels......... be that changing food, exercise or meds
"RK" r...@zer0limit.net
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: On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:49:26 -0700, "RK" <r...@zer0limit.net> wrote: : : >You live in a fantasy world : > : I beg to differ. I live in a world where people with uncontrolled BGs : die, often nasty, painful deaths.
and I live in a world that "controlled" diabetices still die, often nasty, painful deaths, along with joeblow who crossed the street and got hit by a truck.
Life is Life, its what you make of it. Controlled or Uncontrolled you can still develop complications while others run 500 all the time and never develop one YMMV!
: : >I might be a T1 and your post is for T2's but doesn't matter : >what "type" you are, we are human and there is going to be : >up and down days, no matter what we do about control, no : >matter what we do about eating, how much or of what.
: > : : I disagree for realtively recent onset T2's with a big healthy set of : beta cells (and no other major complications in their endocrinology).
: All of the folks I know (here and in person) who practice strict : control will testify that "bad" days come from bad eating and skipping : exercise. Yes, we all have bad days, but not from the phase of the : moon.
well, you never stated ONCE in your original post about a recent onset of T2, with healthy beta cells, and I'm sure Old Al will disagree with you on that one, not many are even diagnosed until at least 50% of their cells have been destroyed.
Folks in here? Testify? "bad" days are from bad eating and skipping exercise eh?
well shake the cobwebs outta your head dear, because for some exercise is onset for pain, for which it brings a burst of cortisol which raises the bg's. Being a woman your cycle each month brings horrible offsets for most, perimenopause, menopause, gaining a few pounds, dropping a few pounds, onset of a cold..
whatever the case may be, there are ALWAYS going to be off days more then we care to admit too, but that too is now the life of a diabetic, and you are down right wrong for saying someone isn't in control because of it.
: : >Perhaps instead of thinking your giving "tough love" ever thought of : >a farkin' bit of "love & support" it goes a hell of alot further in : >the : >long run.
: > : : As I responded to Loretta above, I know as you do that so called : "tough love" (call it what you will), does not work for everyone, : maybe not even the majority. But I will bet the farm that "oh, don't : worry, we love you, don't worry about your 300 BG's" is only going to : kill people. And I'm sick of people dying. Sick.
: Yeah well.. folks get sick and die all the time. I've prolly got other complications now because of my lack of care at onset.. But life goes on.. we live and we die.
Don't like it, take your millions for research or help those that have no insurance that need to get to a doctor and need meds., otherwise -- try posting support instead of condeming those that its out of their hands.
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"Tiger Lily" TigerL...@nospam.alt-support-diabetes.org
and you will read our replies..... FIRE that Dr and get a good Dr what ranges does your Dr want you in, Half???? i have never had my Dr tell me that 300 was ok
Ana Sarca anasa...@oh.no.not.me
It's Sunday and I missed church so I'll preach to the choir.
Your post was directed at new T2s, of which I am one. I know that this whole thing is frustrating and I'd be lying if I said I haven't had the same thoughts as you. Bouncing bGs is not my favorite game. We get pissed because we care.
We can try to control our numbers, but face it: sometimes what we do does not work. I can do the same thing, eat the same food, do the same exercise and still get diferent numbers. Sometimes the diabetes wins.
My fasting was 145 this morning. All of my readings before and after meals have been in the 1-teens for the past 5 days (carb cutting). I can't see anything that I did differently yesterday or while I was sleeping except that I didn't get up early. Sleeping in is an option in my life and I'm not giving that up. Back to the drawing board.
Yes, ideally we should all have perfect readings. Yes, most of us have room for improvement. Getting pissed does help in the fight. Getting pissed to the point that giving up is an option helps nothing. We -
the new T2s - are still learning at a rapid rate about this disease.
Perfection is not going to happen immediately and it may never happen for some of us. Those of us who are participating here are trying. I haven't seen anyone say they aren't taking their meds or altering their diet at all. Those 300s could very well be 500s or higher without the group. Inchworm...inchworm...
I agree with some of the others. Please get your happy *** back in here and share in the good and bad. For me, seeing that others are able to approach "normal" readings has been a big help. I'm not perfect and may never be, but I would like to have you in here with us fighting the good fight. There is an empty seat right next to me and I don't bite. :^) Ana
"RK" r...@zer0limit.net
no.. you think of what you are doing.. alienating lurkers afraid to come out.. because of people like you and others that only condemn us for seeking help...
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: On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:57:12 -0700, "RK" <r...@zer0limit.net> wrote: : : : Think what you are doing.
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"Cheri" buzzphilNOS...@hotmail.com
Halflife, get a whole life and stop preaching to people. Why not try offering some helpful suggestions instead? :-) Cheri
"Opinion8d" mm...@cox.net
Go Ana.... Go Ana... Go Ana...
And welcome back Halflife. I stared lurking just before you stopped posting, and have missed your input.
Yes, sometimes tough love is what is necessary - I care for my newly Dx'd T2 mother. Other times, no matter what it seems the DM is determined to win (like Ana said).
The T2s that need the toughest love are the ones who have given up altogether, or who are in denial regarding the viciousness of the disease.
We all need to reach out to those individuals with sincerity and do what we can to motivate and encourage them so they don't kill themselves slowly.
Marie, Caretaker Mom T2 Dx 3/2002 ...
Richard Morris rtmor...@pdqnet.com
Reisa, can we look at it from a different angle for a second?
George is generally a strong advocate for tight control. That is a good thing. He is zealous, to say the least. I can live with that. He is successfully managing his t2. That means he knows a bit about what he is doing, and is walking the walk. That is also important. I think that he is coming from a caring place. That is way important. Do we really want to dismiss him into the killfile if he is a caring advocate for tight control?
At the same time, you are right. There is something troubling about his post. Yet there is something compellingly *right* about it too.
Here is what I think it is. George employed what is known in the therapy trade as "confrontation". He was brutally direct and concrete, and honest. Confrontation, as a technique, can be a powerful therapeutic tool when handled well. It challenges us to examine our most basic ***umptions and behaviors as an incentive to changing them.
It calls on us to look at the inconsistencies between our behavior and our words and beliefs. It challenges us to put up or shut up, to fish or cut bait. But one of the principles of confrontation is that it is best used only after trust is established. If you confront outside of the context of a trusting relationship, you run the risk of turning people off. Scaring them away. That is essentially your point, I think. What he said was too direct, too soon imnsho.
So, my reaction is that George is a caring person who came on strong in trying to get people to change: to exercise tight control. I agree with his goal. Not necessarily the method.
Richard
"RK" r...@zer0limit.net
I agree Richard, but on the same token as we all know and have been doing this a few years, that what works for one might not work for another., therefore by Georges post of saying "do it my way" and it will work, may lead a person further to self distruction by failing his method.
Which imho is definately not right, as well as even with me being a T1 that is in/out of control, by 90% no fault of my own I was highly offended by his post in making me feel even more as a farkin' failure at my new life. So i'm sure it has hit a nerve or two with those that are lurking.
We can only make "suggestions" not advocate "my plan" or "this book" is the only way. Because what works today.. sure the hell isn't going to work tomorrow.
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: Reisa, can we look at it from a different angle for a second?
: : George is generally a strong advocate for tight control. That is a good : thing. He is zealous, to say the least. I can live with that.
He is : successfully managing his t2. That means he knows a bit about what he : is doing, and is walking the walk. That is also important. I think : that he is coming from a caring place. That is way important. Do we : really want to dismiss him into the killfile if he is a caring advocate : for tight control?
: : At the same time, you are right. There is something troubling about his : post. Yet there is something compellingly *right* about it too.
: : Here is what I think it is. George employed what is known in the : therapy trade as "confrontation". He was brutally direct and concrete, : and honest. Confrontation, as a technique, can be a powerful : therapeutic tool when handled well. It challenges us to examine our : most basic ***umptions and behaviors as an incentive to changing them.
: It calls on us to look at the inconsistencies between our behavior and : our words and beliefs. It challenges us to put up or shut up, to fish : or cut bait.
: : But one of the principles of confrontation is that it is best used only : after trust is established. If you confront outside of the context of a : trusting relationship, you run the risk of turning people off.
Scaring : them away. That is essentially your point, I think. What he said was : too direct, too soon imnsho.
: : So, my reaction is that George is a caring person who came on strong in : trying to get people to change: to exercise tight control. I agree : with his goal. Not necessarily the method.
: : Richard : : : > : > no.. you think of what you are doing.. alienating lurkers : > afraid to come out.. because of people like you and others that only : > condemn us for seeking help...
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: > : On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:57:12 -0700, "RK" <r...@zer0limit.net> wrote: : > : : > : : > : Think what you are doing.
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Lana Rosanna Dana lnels...@UNSPAM.houston.rr.com
??? People eating that traditional diet were healthy into their 80's --
that's what I remember as a child. They all had gardens and ate lot's of vegetables. Then along came the "fat nazis" and people started getting sick after they began to alter their diet, eating more carbohydrates and less fat.
You grew up some place else or you grew up in a meat, potatoes & bread household, or you are too young to remember the original Southern diet before it was ridiculed into oblivion.
I have been reading Walter Willett's "Eat Drink & Be Healthy" the Harvard Public Health fellow with the alternate food pyramid.
He was attacking the "Midwestern diet" of roast beef and mashed potatoes as the most unhealthy diet in the country. So, I'm sure those Midwesterners will be much improved once they have changed to "Tuna Helper" served with plenty of whole wheat bread (hold the butter).
Lana
Lisa N mem...@lowcarber.org
"A good scare is often worth more to a man than good advice" I'm not sure who that quote was from, but it sure enough was true for me (even though I'm a woman). All the talk in the world didn't get it through my head how much danger I was putting myself in by being half-***ed in controlling my blood sugars. It didn't help to have a doctor mollycoddle me with "well, 180 post prandial isn't too bad, but you should really try to get that down a little." He should have been reaming me a new one for numbers like that (and my new doc WOULD). It took winding up with my bg out of control and nearly having a stroke to shake me up enough to make the changes I needed to. It's not that most people don't care about their health or don't want to do what they need to; they're in denial or simply don't know.
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Lisa N mem...@lowcarber.org
"A good scare is often worth more to a man than good advice" I'm not sure who that quote was from, but it sure enough was true for me (even though I'm a woman). All the talk in the world didn't get it through my head how much danger I was putting myself in by being half-***ed in controlling my blood sugars. It didn't help to have a doctor mollycoddle me with "well, 180 post prandial isn't too bad, but you should really try to get that down a little." He should have been reaming me a new one for numbers like that (and my new doc WOULD). It took winding up with my bg out of control and nearly having a stroke to shake me up enough to make the changes I needed to. It's not that most people don't care about their health or don't want to do what they need to; they're in denial or simply don't know.
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"Tiger Lily" TigerL...@nospam.alt-support-diabetes.org
fat chance that a man even knows the fear of gang rape...... much less the fear of crossing a dark parking lot to get to their car
jmmb ...@aol.com (Jmmbear)
Just a note. For many of us newbies we are just learning what we can eat and WHEN we can eat it.
Such as canteloupe in the morning sends me soaring, but if I have it at night I get only a little rise. Such as 95-105. Perfectly acceptable. If you are talking about people who continually go high, and stay that way and dont have a clue, that is a different story.
Heck I learned yesterday that the very nice LOCARB icecream which I can have after 3pm, which has very little affect on me, does however have an affect if I have it at 11:30am and then sit in a car for the next 4 hours. Obviously not something I will try again.
I have learned a great deal in the last 3 months. About myself, about my family and their support level, about my health and about what I want out of my life.
I have found that I have much more willpower and strength than I ever thought I had.
I sit and watch my brother in law chug his beer, knowing that the drumming he loves to do, will become a fond memory when he loses the use of his hands due to high numbers and out of control diabetes.
I sit and watch a good friend of mine, have various surgerys to correct problems caused by diabetes, but yet she still only tests twice a day, because that is what Her DR tells her to do.
I sit and watch my fil newly diagnosed eat rolls, cake and ice cream and then listen to him and my Mil discuss why he cant get his numbers below 180.
All and All I have to wonder how much they truely want to live a good life, not just exist.
I watch almost everyone on this group fight with medical proffessionals in an attempt to get good medical treatment. I watch almost everyone in here fight to live normal lives by learning and making educated decisions. Well anyway.
Just making a point. In here very often we post high numbers because we are still learning what we can do and what we cant. I have no intention of existing on 4-5 meals for the rest of my life. The only way I will find out what I can and cannot have is by Trial and Error. So sometimes if you see people posting high numbers it is because they are trying and learning.
For others, I guess they have to make their own decisions on how important their lives are to them and their family. JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02
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