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http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/local/4839227.htm Posted on Mon, Dec. 30, 2002   Oakland school takes lessons to street The School of Social Justice and Community Development helps put activism on kids' minds By Deborah Kong ***OCIATED PRESS OAKLAND - It's just another day at the School of Social Justice and Community Development.
In culture and resistance cl***, the ***ignment is to compose a rap about an important issue in the city of Oakland, a proposal to add 100 police to the city's force.
"I can't rap," says Antoine Henderson, surveying the lyrics on his paper: "Why they want to bring more police in the town / Just for them to attack the black and brown." But his teacher offers a bit of encouragement. "A lot of the rappers that are out now, they can't write anything like this," says Boots Riley, himself a rapper. "This sounds good." Antoine beams.
The scene is just one example of the unusual curriculum at Social Justice, a new public school in a tough section of Oakland that recruited about half its 124-member student body from group homes and juvenile halls, and by allowing dropouts from other public schools to re-enroll. (The rest of the students graduated from district middle schools.) With a student population some may have written off, administrators have a simple goal.
"The intent is to educate, and this is a method in which we believe, and have had some experience at -- reaching students who normally don't get reached," said Kali Akuno-Williams, the school's co-director.
"We're trying to engage them with education that's relevant to their direct lives, what they experience day to day." In the end, school officials want their students to be able to succeed in college.
That means cl***es and ***ignments that might raise eyebrows elsewhere. But this is a place and a student body facing challenges that aren't issues elsewhere, administrators say. About a fifth of the city's more than 100 homicides this year have occurred within a mile of the school.
The school may also have escaped notice because it is small and new, having opened in September, but "Oakland has never been a district to shy away from having controversial issues discussed," said ***istant superintendent Lewis Cohen.
On a recent school day, Sarah Fuchs' English and social studies cl*** talked about patriarchy and sexism, and discussed an essay ***ignment on how colonialism affected Africa.
It was part of a lesson plan covering "systems of oppression" including capitalism and white supremacy. Another section of the plan called for discussing "tools for liberation." Biology teacher Omar Hunter taught his cl*** about the periodic table, then gave them an ***ignment: Write a ransom letter to President Bush.
Students were to pretend they were holding an element for ransom, listing its physical and chemical properties and why it is crucial, along with their demands, he said.
Riley's course, where students composed the raps, is one of Antoine's favorites. "I've never seen a school with a rap cl***," the 17-year-old junior said. "That kind of caught my attention." When Riley's students finished their writing session, they attended a news conference held at the school opposing the proposal for 100 new police. A few students spoke as did former Black Panther Bobby Seale, and principal Wilson Riles Jr., a former mayoral candidate. After school, about 45 students and teachers protested alleged police brutality.
Students say they like the school's activist approach. "We get to experience the world," said Korin Merle, 16, as she marched alongside protesters. "This is what is in our society." Social Justice is a part of the Oakland Unified School District, but operates under the district's new autonomous schools policy. It is one of seven small schools that must meet district and state standards but which control their own budgets, instruction and curriculum.
What many Social Justice students say they like best is the school's size -- the average cl*** has about 20 students -- and the individualized attention teachers provide.
"The teachers here really care about you and your well-being," said 16-year-old Trinette Henry. At her old high school, teachers would "sit a book in front of you and start talking," she said. "Here, they explain it to you." Rasaun Jones, 17, said his teachers call to make sure he's doing his homework and update his mother on his progress. "I love it," he said.
Rasaun dropped out of the sixth and seventh grades, then went to jail several times for offenses including robbery and petty theft, he said.
Now, his goal is to attend college, take business courses and eventually run his own record label.
"If you aren't going to school, you aren't going to do anything in your life," he said.
Parents voluntarily send their children to the school and attend a mandatory orientation on its programs.
"I could see that it would teach my kids how to stand up for their rights, and how to advocate not just for themselves, but for others," said Priscilla Merle, Korin's mother.
Parents, teachers and students who founded the school say it was a reaction against overcrowded cl***rooms, indifferent teachers and high dropout rates. In the 1999-2000 school year, the most recent data available, almost 25 percent of students who entered Oakland high schools dropped out by the end of 12th grade.
Social Justice tries to tailor its curriculum to reflect its mostly black and Latino student body. The social activism is in the tradition of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, a 1960s civil rights group, Akuno-Williams said.
Nationally, the move toward small schools has been under way since at least the 1980s, and many of them are organized around themes. But for the most part, they try to stay politically neutral, said Judith Warren Little, a professor who specializes in high school reform and policy at the Graduate School of Education at UC Berkeley.
Social Justice's approach of "building a whole school on that premise is uncommon," Little said. "The way this school stands out is actually promoting social activism on the part of the kids." So far, Social Justice is on target to reach its goal of 90 percent attendance, though it's still working on other details. It leases a temporary space at a church, and is searching for a new one that will allow it to enroll up to 400 students.
Students and parents hope it will be around for a long time. "They're giving us another chance to make our lives better," said 10th-grader Carmalita George. "I hope the teachers stick to what they're trying to do."

Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org

It sounds like you disapprove, Jack?  What, aren't you for school choice?  Or are things like charter schools and other alternatives only OK if they toe YOUR politically correct line?
Hypocrite.
lojbab

broj ...@windswept.org (brojack)

This scheme soulnds like a typical liberal politician's dream.
More blacks kept intentionally ignorant and unemployable for the liberal plantation. Can't read, can't write, can't compute, don't know history, but they can rap and talk trash. And, oh yeah, unfortunately they can vote.
BroJack

Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org

You don't answer my question.  Is school choice a desirable solution when some would choose schools like the ones in this article?  Or do you only approve of school choice when the schools toe YOUR politically correct line?
lojbab

BroJ ...@windswept.org (BroJack)

You call this a school, fool?
Bro

Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org

Whether I call it a school or not is irrelevant.  Those operating the school called it a school, and the parents opted to have their kids attend that school and take the indicated cl***es.   You are still avoiding the question.  Bush's school choice program puts absolutely NO constraints on what is or is not a private school -
if the public school fails, the parents can choose Basketweaving University so far as Bush's law could care.  States impose almost no constraints, especially on religious schools, that they teach any curriculum at all - at most they have to have subjects called by standards names.
So should parental choice be allowed, to the extent of including the possibility of choosing schools that are not so politically correct as to meet your criteria for being "called a school"?
Gonna evade the question again, Jack?
lojbab PS.  Some of the charter schools in DC have had this sort of weirdness to their program, and some of those schools have been found to be fiscally improper too.  Yet many right-wingers seem to think that the DC charter program is a "good thing" because it allows school choice.
lojbab

broj ...@windswept.org (brojack)

Are these the parents who say "Don't get caught stealing" instead of "Don't steal"?
Not sure what your question is.  Contrary to what you say, this sounds like a politically-correct school.  Anything that is liberal, immoral, not traditional,  is politically-correct.  I don't care where the kids go to school, but I wouldn't want any of these students one day working for my company, performing cardiac surgery, or developing our missile systems.
That's nice.
BroJack

Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org

There is "politically-correct" for the left and "politically-correct" for the right.  Yes, this sounds like it is leftist .politically-correct.  You instead want only schools that are politically-correct from YOUR point of view - teaching the values you hold dear rather than the ones that the parents (or the rest of society) care about.
Anything that is doctrinaire conservative, intolerant, bigoted, rigidly moralistic, and tradition-for-the-sake-of-tradition-so-long-as-it-is-MY-tradition, is also politically correct, but from the other side of the fence.
Neither seems to tolerate dissent.
Then why did you post the article, if you don't care?
Well if they are so poorly educated as you seem to think that they are becoming, they won't be doing the latter two, and you presumably have discretion on the former.
lojbab

AlleyCat al...@aohell.com

**** all that choice shit, dumb***... do you approve of the curricula?
If you do, then you are more racist than the people you CALL racist. Why in the world would you want to teach something to someone that guarantees that they DON'T get a job, DON'T fit in with the ruling cl***es and DON'T succeed in any way? I've read some of the thread, and have come to the logical conclusion, that you,sir, and any other pansy-
*** that agrees with that particular curriculum, or any other curriculum that DOESN'T teach blacks what they SHOULD be learning, are idiots. Well intentioned and comp***ionate, but idiots nonetheless. Black kids need to learn readin', writin' and 'rithmetic, not how many ways to rap about how to blame whites for their own failures. Every other ethnic group that has come to these shores, either by choice or force, has succeeded.
What happened to the blacks?
Steve

broj ...@windswept.org (brojack)

No.  All PC is leftist today.  I want schools where kids can develop skills, get an an education which will allow them to contribute to society.
No, see above.  Al PC is leftist, today.  We need people who can contibute to society and the advancement of civilization.   To show another example of liberal stupidity.
No, one day, Koko the gorilla will be attempting cardiac surgery.
bro

rste ...@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)

>> It sounds like you disapprove, Jack?  What, aren't you for school >> choice?  Or are things like charter schools and other alternatives >> only OK if they toe YOUR politically correct line?
>So, you think that teaching these kids to act like stereotypical "brothas" >and "sistas" is going to help them succeed in school, find jobs when they >get out, and make them successful young adults? Oh, I forget, we can't >EXPECT black kids to adapt to rigorous academic standards, because the >system is "racist" anyway, right?
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The "system" is "the way things work now", which is a circular situation that requires the brute force of new economic laws to drag the current society out of that situation. The circle is sustained, in part, by low self-esteeem and low degrees of hope for specific minorities, so that solidarity with others of their culture is an important step.
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The racists, as always, you ****ing stupid dope!!! Noooo, efforts to combat the effect of racism on self-esteem is NOT racism.
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Yes, because that proves they are either extremely stupid, or else they are being disingenuous and connivingly racist.
You cannot take a totally demoralized victimized people who have NOT HAD the kind of money spent on educating them as whites have and then expect them to be able to compete on a par. It is the difference between giving a white kid advanced training in taking the test, versus the black kid taking it cold after having had poor quality teaching his entire life!
It's NOT A FAIR PLAYING FIELD, it's TILTED!
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You're a paranoid jerkoff. What is it with you that makes you specifically culturally anti-African? Did you expect them to die their skin white and become good little Xtian bigot Euro-trash like YOU?
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No, they are honoring the cultures of ALL disadvantaged and disenfranchised people's in the belief that self-esteem in one's cultural identity is bound to help them academically, AS IT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO DO!
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It's not bullshit, it's a matter of cultural heritage and sustaining the families that these educated few produce with their wives in just a few years, because NOT ALL the children of "nerds" and "geeks" BECOME nerds and geeks themselves, and they feel the victimization of anti-brown prejudice, and wind up pushed nack into the SAME neighborhoods as their parents when they DON'T choose to become a pseudo-white engineer in Silicon Valley. And, oh, by the way, a lot of brown engineers wound up back in the barrio when they were the first fired and saw the gl*** ceiling drop down and toss them back into near poverty this year and last!
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That's nothing but lying racist garbage on your part, Mexicano and other Latino families stress instrumental music as a cultural heritage. You don't even grasp what Latino heritage IS!
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You're a raving ****ing paranoid racist simply plying your agenda, quite disingenuously.
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That's because you resent any color, culture, belief system or emphasis that is different than those of your limited life. You're a ****ing racist!
You want everyone to become like you so you don't feel left out or uncomfortable, you're a cultural jingoist!
Steve

rste ...@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)

No, Jack*** wants underprivileged educationally disadvantaged blacks to compete on the same TILTED playing field toe to toe with whites or else just STAY poor, disadvantaged and unpaid! That's HIS secret agenda!
He's desperate to convince someone that blacks are some variety of lower ape or "mud-people", so he needs the carefully constructed white systemic racial disdavangement system to help him!
Steve

rste ...@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)

Rhyming does NOT constitute the introduction of reasoned content in your posts, or are you taking up rap?
Steve

rste ...@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)

No, you're a ****ing racist paranoid trying to incite trouble.
Steve

rste ...@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)

>**** all that choice shit, dumb***... do you approve of the curricula?
>If you do, then you are more racist than the people you CALL racist.
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No, they aren't.
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In case you never read the Constitution, we don't HAVE a "ruling cl***" in this nation, or else you might have a point. If we actually HAD an empire and ruling cl*** then we would simply all be forced to give up on any of our own cultures, ideas, freedoms, or choices, and then the argument could be made, undoubtedly at the point of a whip or cattle prod that we should simply conform and blend together in order to achieve higher rank and status and rewards from this "ruling cl***".
But, of course, we don't HAVE that kind of a society, there is NO magically approved version of cultural identity or "truth" with a small "t", and we can feel FREEE, (say it LOUD), to adhere to our own cultural identity so that we aren't selected out to feel like shit about who we are and what feels warm and familiar to us.  
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Except, of course, you stupid racist piece of shit, there is NO certified perfect culture that they "should be learning", there is merely academics, and the means to teach them that costs money and which the RICH ***holes are loath to PAY for, because THEY NEED an impoverished cl*** to threaten the REST of the workers with to KEEP THEM IN LINE!
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Well, let's see, first they were enslaved and reduced to the status of about 50,000 years ago OR MORE and then they were NOT reparated in status but merely "freed" to wander about into urban centers where they had to organize their OWN educational institutions WITHOUT ANY MONEY, and have pretty well done just that for 140 YEARS until we JUST STARTED paying them back a LITTLE about 30 years ago! A VERY DAMNED LITTLE!
*I* think they have NOT ONLY the right to REPARATIONS SUFFICIENT TO TOTALLY RESTORE THEM AND THEIR EDUCATIONAL STATUS TO MIDDLE CL*** WHITE STANDARDS OF JOBS AND HOMES AND LIVING, *AND* TO adopt ANY ****ING CULTURE THEY CHOOSE!! *I* think they have the right to the entire gross national product of the USA that is ANYTHING AT ALL EXTRA OR LUXURY, for however long it takes for the rest of us to hire private tutors for ALL THEIR KIDS, send them ALL to extended emotional therapy, BUILD them ALL NEW HOMES in SUBURBIA, and educate even the adults into substantially rewarding challenging and well-aid employment of their choosing, and ONLY THEN will be be off the hook to African-Americans!!
Why? Because of the UNBELIEVABLE ATROCITY AND HOLOCAUST that White Euro culture visited upon them! You're just a whiney little piece of criminal Euro-trash transported who wants to get off your probation for the crimes of your ancestors a little EARLY, and before your families have paid for the damage they did AND WHICH YOU STILL BENEFIT FROM ECONOMICALLY IN YOUR ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL STATUS!
What YOUR KIND of RACIST is doing is kicking the crutches out from under the guy you ran over when you were drunk RIGHT in front of the judge at your ****ing trial saying" "Oh shit, he can walk, he's just faking it, your honor!". THEN when he can't get up you KICK him! Shit, you ****ing idiot, I hope you get LIFE!
Steve

rste ...@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)

>>.politically-correct.  You instead want only schools that are >>politically-correct from YOUR point of view - teaching the values you >>hold dear rather than the ones that the parents (or the rest of >>society) care about.
>No.  All PC is leftist today.
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Noooooo, you're merely ignorant and imperceptive!
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So do they, but they don't want to see YOU there, or anyone LIKE you.
It would be a bit like seeing your racist at your therapy.
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Nooooo, you're merely ignorant and imperceptive!
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You're under the twisted bigoted impression that YOU have a monopoly on what that is, and that you're not merely a criminal who deserves to pay extreme reparations and leave his victim the **** alone now!
YOU inherit the mantle of the enslaver, because you have NO guilt or sense of societal debt for the criminal damage done to their culture and to each one of them.    
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You're nothing but a ****ing racist little piece of shit!
God I hope someone who is ready to deal with a piece of shit like you hears you say that in exactly the spirit you mean it, and real soon!
Steve

Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org

Why?  Is the school racially segregated?  I suspect that whites and blacks have equal opportunity to attend the school.
School is not only about teaching people to get a job.
We are ALL part of the ruling cl***, regardless of skin color, regardless of whether we "fit in".  His vote counts as much as yours.
Perhaps.  I never said that I approved of the curriculum, or the school.  The question is whether school choice should allow parents to choose such a school.  Bush's school choice plan, and virtually every voucher plan ever proposed, would so allow.
What other groups have been brought here by force?  What other groups spent 3 centuries in slavery, being BRED and SELECTED for p***ive acceptance of their lot (anything else would get a slave killed)?
What other group was been discriminated against because of their skin color for almost a hundred years after being freed from slavery?
And what gives YOU the right to judge them?
lojbab

toto scarec...@wicked.witch

What difference does that make?
The question here is will you allow the parents to choose the school their children attend regardless of what that school teaches or not?
Is school choice good *only* if the parent chooses your way?
Dorothy
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gog ...@pacbell.net (Riverman)

   Thanks,Steve,for your excellent and well thought out rebuttal to Jack's garbage.I co sign on everything you say.
  Riverman

broj ...@windswept.org (brojack)

To an amoral person?  Not a damn thing.
As I told the other left-wing radical, I don't care where the kids go to school.
But I don't think they'll have much success if their knowledge consists of ebonics, whining, revisionism, and anti-authority.
BroJack

AlleyCat al...@aohell.com

Yeah... just like the "Historically Black" colleges. How many whites WANT to go to institutions like that? Black student unions. Yes, whites ARE NOT excluded, but how many whites attend, and if there ARE any, how many are treated as though they are welcome? If a black student goes to a REGULAR Student Union, which by the way, is not called a WHITE Student Union, "he" will NOT be har***ed, for whites fear of being charged with committing a "hate crime".
So school is about what other things?
Why is it that blacks need to go to schools to teach them how to be something other than what they need to be in order to succeed in this world? Why do they have to learn their culture in schools, at taxpayers expense, instead of at home, where their REAL culture takes place? That shit doesn't bring home the bacon. It only perpetuates racism and discrimination. Is it because blacks are supposed to be from only one country and whites are from many and it would cost to much for there to be cl***es for every ethnic group or country of origin? I didn't get to learn much about my particular native land(s) in school... I'm multi-
ethnic. Why should we pay for them to learn about theirs?  If they don't want to learn what it takes to get a job in the REAL world, not one made up by Utopians where whatever you ARE takes precedence over what you SHOULD be, they will never make it to anything more than the welfare state.
I agree with you there. ALL colors are part of the ruling cl***...
EMPLOYED people. People that contribute to society in more ways other than being leeches off of it. No, "his" vote shouldn't count as much, because "he" is going to vote for someone like "him", and that is unacceptable. "We" don't want a country of leaders like "him". "We" need leaders that lead, not leaders that try to get something for nothing from those that have MADE something from nothing.
To CHOOSE such a school would sever as the death knell to whomever chooses to attend. Would YOU want the "School of Defiant Rap" on YOUR r?©sum?©? Didn't think so.
White indentured servants... to name one. Why is it that liberals think that blacks have been the ONLY slaves or people that have EVER endured ANY hardship? Whites, Christians, Jews, Muslims... EVERYONE has been a victim at some point or era in time. The pity of it all is that black slavery in America, while not the MOST recent tragedy... (i.e.., Jewish Holocaust) is the one that is stuck in the craw because they STILL haven't made as much progress toward self-improvement as other so-called disadvantaged groups.
Skin color, no... behavior once freed, yes. Dark people from India, which can be as dark as the darkest African, are not discriminated against. Why not? It's behavior, not color.
What gives you the right to say I cannot judge? I don't have a voice in government. I'm just an ordinary citizen with ordinary judgements of what I see and hear or read. I make my own decisions. I don't parrot what the media tells me, because I'm intelligent enough to know when someone is trying to brainwash me into thinking along THEIR ways of thinking. It's really getting kind of sickening watching our national media try to persuade Americans into thinking that all people are good no matter how they hurt us. One commercial in particular here in the South depicts and stereotypes black men on a basketball court. They start out like they are going to "throw down" and kill each other over a disagreement. Then they find out that they are really on the same page... about church and religion. Ever seen the congregation in a black church? Mostly women, no husband, with children. A few black men, but mostly boys with their mothers and... no father. They make these commercials to make "us" think that that is the way it is across the whole race. Yeah... OK.
Steve

Joni Rathbun jrath...@orednet.org

You provided no evidence of that. YOu even made up the ebonics subject heading as a dishonest, misleading, piece of bait. Such dishonesty hardly adds to your credibility.
Meanwhile, as the article states, the students must meet the same academic standards as those set for all other schools in the district/state. The difference is that the school is free to design its own curriculum - to chart its own course toward meeting those standards.
This school has chosen a very different course of action. Doesn't look all bad to me tho. Instead of just memorizing the periodic table, for example, the students must demonstrate some knowledge of the elements which is probably more than they were ever asked to do in a traditional school. As for having one cl*** in which an ***ignment included writing raps -- yawn -- BFD. Writing a good rap would be a challenge. And that kind of activity has been used in schools for decades now. When I was kid, we were asked to do Beatles-type lyric writing as an occasional challenge.
It really got some kids involved who normally chose not to do a damned thing. And don't kid yourself that doing a rap is only something these black and latino students will be doing in their school. White kids do it too and will have opportunity to do so in their traditional high schools as well.
As for the traditional schools, they obviously were not working for these kids - mostly dropouts and highly at risk types. Why send them back to the same old thing that wasn't working in the first place? Why not at least try a different approach? If it succeeds, great. If it doesn't, they are no worse off than they were before - living on the streets and in shelters and in jails as they were.
Districts should develop and test more alternatives. It's time we stopped this one-size-fits-all nonsense.

BroJ ...@windswept.org (BroJack)

You didn't read the lad's poem?
So you're saying that they must get a "C" grade in Elementary Rap?
Talk about understatement.
You mean they must 'splain the differences among sleet, snow, rain ..?
Yes, it would lead to a highly marketable skill. [sarcasm off] Yes, that was about the time standards began to dumb-down.
Dumbed-down has cut across all flavors.
How 'bout if the parents try a different approach, like instilling in these kids the need to get that education / develop that skill that will be of use to benefit society.  I didn't like going to my "traditional" school either.  And it was more fun playing ball on the back lot instead of doing homework, but thank Gawd I had parents who gave a shit about my future and pushed me in the right direction.
Yes, and the next time I need to hire an inner-city poet, I'll know just where to go.
BroJack

Gray Shockley g...@compcomm.com

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:16:50 -0600, BroJack wrote (in message <3e137680.39246...@news.meganetnews.com>):
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Didn't you spend thirty years writing government regulations?
Gray Shockley
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"Swinehood hath no remedy." - Sidney Lanier

Bob LeChevalier loj...@lojban.org

How should I know?
If they aren't, then that also is racism, and should not be tolerated.
Yes.  The magic word "education".
Who says that they are learning something "other than"?  Their road to success may be different from yours.  But I repeat: schools are not about teaching people to get a job.  There would not be PE cl***es and athletics, no music programs, probably no art cl***es, because few people make their living in those fields, and those who do generally do most of their learning outside of the academic school curriculum.
Why does anyone "learn culture in schools, at taxpayer success"?  Or do you think that Shakespeare, Dickens, and others are not "culture"?
So what?  Schools are not primarily for vocational ed.
Then you weren't paying attention, or come from a particularly obscure set of countries.
What "should" anyone be?
You must not live in the same country that I do.
And you aren't going to vote for someone like "you".
To you perhaps, but obviously not to him.  And the ones you might favor because they are like you are as unacceptable to him, as his choices are to you.
"We" don't agree with "you", obviously.
I did not say I did.  But should school choice allow such things?
Nope.  They came here by choice as indentured servants as their means to get here.  The exceptions were the first Georgians, since Georgia was founded as a penal colony.
Oh, you mean the tens of thousands of freedmen who fought in the civil war for the Union, many of whom died in feats of bravery to save this country?  How about the black troops that fought in our other wars, and the black who led our military in the last war?
lojbab

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