Alternative treatment for ADD/ADHD
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Peter Bowditch pet...@ratbags.com
No Ritalin here.
http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html
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Peter Bowditch pet...@ratbags.com The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight I'm a Bright. Are you?
"Peter Moran" mori...@gil.com.au
involvement of the parents is >essential if the child is uncooperative and resists Words fail me.
Peter Moran
"Peter Moran" mori...@gil.com.au
No they don't. This is kind of cruel and nonsensical crap is exactly where "personal experience" can often lead within medicine. Wishful thinking, suggestion, spontaneous changes in medical conditions and placebo influences can have such a powerful impact upon both patient and therapist. History shows you MUST have objective, independent and long-term ***essment of ALL outcomes to know if you are doing good in many areas of medicine.
This woman thinks ADD is due to constipation and that she is doing good and I am sure could produce some supporting testimonial from hopeful parents.
She would not be likely to tell you, or even necessarily know about any children made worse or harmed psychologically by her methods. She would have ready excuses for any obvious failures, ones that do not challenge her cherished beliefs. Out of a hundred patients treated she will treasure a few testimonials that support her beliefs, even if the other 95% are actually harmed by her, and even the "successes" are now not so sure..
We knew how medical practice can deceive to throw up useless treatments long before alternative medicine chose, with consumate arrogance and naivety, to repeat history. It is why AM has seventy five different often quite contradictory theories and methods for any medical disorder (others claim ADD is ***ociated with certain diarrhoeal illnesses).. And that is before you get into the real frauds and scammers.
Peter Moran
jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
Praise God!!
hawk ...@aol.comnospam (Hawki63)
nah...she probably had ACTUAL experience with enemas tho...so not only did she get rid of the parasites..but cured her own ADD too???? neato bizarro...
hawki hawki
Peter Bowditch pet...@ratbags.com
Should God be praised for the child abuse involved in the alternative treatment?
Here's the alternative medicine URL that Jan snipped, just to refresh everyone's memory. Do not read if you are sickened by quackery.
http://www.geocities.com/valerie_cct/ADDchild.html
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Peter Bowditch pet...@ratbags.com The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight I'm a Bright. Are you?
hawk ...@aol.comnospam (Hawki63)
this is about the most bizarro..obvious form of child abuse I have ever read about....
I cannot even imagine the trauma..perhaps life long trauma...from getting enemas or colonics on a regular basis....
and Jan can POST this shit (pardon the pun)..and guffaw that EOM prescribes Ritalin???
hawki hawki
"rb" flagfl...@yahoo.com
I would say that enemas are certainly far far preferable to the scandal of using drugs such as ritalin and prozac to calm down some unruly children but then again the US food supply is so corrupted and voided of nutrients by the FDA mandated manufacturing and packaging processes that I suppose it's no wonder that children are constipated and are lacking proper nutrition which causes all sorts of general health problems such as ADD . These drug czars that enact the food processing laws that cause these disorders in the first place and then push these drugs on little children as the "cure" ought to have an electrifying experience themselves! Is there no justice for criminals in the USA??? --rb
"Rich Shewmaker" r...@ilhawaii.net
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You alties certainly enjoy trotting out that "food voided of nutrients" myth, don't you? The fact is that we have access to a greater variety of nutritious foods than ever before in history. It's true that there is plenty of empty-calorie junk on the supermarket shelves. But there is also a year-round selection of fresh fruits and vegetables, seafoods, meats, and the ingredients to prepare any nutritious entree that you can imagine. The selection is up to the consumer. As for the FDA's "mandated manufacturing and packaging processes," they are there to ***ure the purity and safety of your foods, and you'd be hard pressed to prove that they criminally cause constipation in children or contribute to childhood malnutrition. In other words, you don't know what you are talking about. You just like lashing out at pharmaceuticals and the FDA.
--Rich
"Peter Moran" mori...@gil.com.au
Very true. Examining supermarket trolleys can be a sobering experience.
Alternative medicine is probably on balance a negative force for good nutrition, through its tendency to promote supplements first and foremost, and to push crank diets and juicing over healthy diets with adequate fibre.
Peter Moran
"Bronsing" r.brons...@NOSPAMerasmusmc.nl
Heartbreaking......:-(
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Robert Bronsing Can't you see?
It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence (R. Waters)
Tsu Dho Nimh tsudhon...@lumbercartel.com
Forget the psychological harm ... the possibility of a ruptured colon or spreading disease from improperly cleaned eqiupment is more immediate. Tsu
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"Rich Shewmaker" r...@ilhawaii.net
"Tsu Dho Nimh" <tsudhon...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message ...
And if the kid isn't already constipated, he will be after a few weekly high colonics interspersed with home enemas.
--Rich
"fred & michele" healt...@concentric.net
There are plenty of foods that are nutritious -- consumers choose to stuff their faces (& their kids as well) with McDonald's, greasy snack foods, & sugary empty calories.
Where did you get the misinformation that children are constipated? Many are fat & out-of-shape due to lack of exercise & the foods they (& their parents) choose to eat While lousy nutrition (chosen by parents & children) may well aggravate behavioral & learning problems, it's doubtful they CAUSE them.
Nobody regulates the consumption of food that anyone with an IQ over 10 KNOWS has the nutritional value of cardboard. As long as consumers WANT to eat empty garbage it will be available. Big Brother is supposed to regulate that?? Hardly.
There is no evidence that the processing of food &/or its packaging causes any behavioral or learning disorders.
ADHD/ADD is no doubt misdiagnosed in some cases. Poor diet (which is certainly NOT forced on anyone) may possibly aggravate problems that already exist but neither that nor food packaging/processing causes behavioral/learning disorders.
If you actually believe that these poor nutritional choices are "criminal", then you should be looking to parents -- & later on to older kids -- as those choosing to engage in such "criminal" behavior.
Michele I ENJOY being a cranky bitch.
Mark Probert markprob...@lumbercartel.com
Try these: Child abuse.
Mark Probert markprob...@lumbercartel.com
G-d made man smart enough to develop methylphenidate and learnhow to use it to benefit people.
Mark Probert markprob...@lumbercartel.com
No. She has never used it, and only believes that she has witnessed its use when she was a child care provider.
Mark Probert markprob...@lumbercartel.com
AD/HD is not about 'unruly children.' Disproven in the Calfirnia legal case. Sad that you did not read that.
by AD/HD is not a general health problem, and is unrelated to bowel movements.
These drug AD/HD was first described around 100 years ago, way before pesticides, FDA, etc.
Another subject in which you are lacking a clue.
"rb" flagfl...@yahoo.com
It's very strange indeed that alternative medicine treatments you think are unhealthy you have no trouble with them being suppressed but don't have a similar attitude towards unhealthy food products which are most everything outside of fresh produce! A bit of hypocrisy maybe??? --rb
"fred & michele" healt...@concentric.net
Trying to put words in my posts for EVERY thread now, rb? Not surprising.
Certainly I've never advocated "suppression" of ANY alt. therapy or theory -- they should most definitely be held up to the same scrutiny WRT their efficacy & safety as any other treatment. [And I don't call 99% of the treatments I believe are useless (after researching the facts) "unhealthy", but USELESS & a waste of money.] Your reading comprehension is pitiful, rb. Just as with useless alt.
therapies, junk food is a waste of money & those who buy the crap are to blame as long as they have been told the truth about what they're buying.
Nobody is lying about the empty food in question -- unless you think McDonald's is marketing its burgers as some sort of organic health food??
Telling consumers the TRUTH -- whether about alt. or conventional treatments or the food they eat is the whole point.
And if you think the only healthy food available is fresh produce, your knowledge of nutrition isn't any more extensive than your knowledge of A&P.
You need to learn a LOT about both.
Fresh produce is often NOT a good choice, especially if the consumer doesn't eat it soon after it's picked. In cases where the fruits or veggies won't be eaten in a relatively short time, frozen produce (usually processed & packaged within hours of harvesting) is often a better choice for superior retention of nutrients.
Moderate amounts of lean meats, whole grain products ranging from breads to pastas to cereals, & produce (both fresh & frozen) are readily available.
If people choose not to eat them -- all the while knowing that the junk food they're consuming is of inferior quality -- that's their problem.
There's no hypocrisy or different standard in my POV. Your poor attempt to claim otherwise is duly noted, rb.
Michele I ENJOY being a cranky bitch.
hawk ...@aol.comnospam (Hawki63)
rubber brain forcing colonics and enemas on children is NOT only nOT medicine of any sort...it is child abuse...and is possibly a way to scar the psyche for life...
perhaps you need to go back to arteries and veins...cuz you are truly ignorant in this area..
hawki hawki
"rb" flagfl...@yahoo.com
theory -- they should most definitely be held up to the same scrutiny WRT> their efficacy & safety as any other treatment. [And I don't call 99% of> the treatments I believe are useless (after researching the facts) So then you are in agreement with the idea that the health consumer should be free to choose their own particular medical treatments without interference or suppression by Gov't authorities such as the FDA, with alternative medicine providers also having the unfettered right to advertise and practice these treatments-(such as Chelation Therapy and Neoplastin cancer therapy, etc?) without fear of losing their licenses to practice medicine or be imprisoned for the same? --rb which are most> everything therapies, junk food is a waste of money & those who buy the crap are to> blame as long as they have been told the truth about what they're buying.
Do you not think that harmful "food" products such as margarine and white flour should be banned? --rb McDonald's is marketing its burgers as some sort of organic health food??
If they made their buns with whole wheat flour I think that would help move them a lot further out of the junk food category! --rb treatments> or the food they eat is the whole point.
Good point but who gets to decide what the truth is and how it is to be arrived at? --rb knowledge of nutrition isn't any more extensive than your knowledge of A&P.> You need to learn a LOT about both.
doesn't> eat it soon after it's picked.
I did say fresh! --rb In cases where the fruits or veggies won't> be eaten in a relatively short time, frozen produce (usually processed & superior> retention of nutrients.
That doesn't seem disagreeable. --rb to> pastas to cereals, & produce (both fresh & frozen) are readily available.
Organic is far preferable to chemical production as chemical production methods ruins the soil by depleting it to mineral and nutrient exhaustion thereby eventually p***ing on foodstuff that is seriously devoid of acceptable nutrients! --rb food> they're consuming is of inferior quality -- that's their problem.
Do you think it might be better if some of these junk foods were banned? --rb to> claim otherwise is duly noted, rb.
I didn't know you were in favor of Chelation Therapy and Neoplastin and other cancer treatments being freely available to the general public with the attendant right of practitioner's to both advertise and practice their particular alternative treatments without fear of prosecution etc! I thought you were against it! --rb
hawk ...@aol.comnospam (Hawki63)
rubber brains hmmmm funny,...it is not illegal to practice chelation....see ads for it all the time...
what planet again is that you live on??
maroon hawki
"rb" flagfl...@yahoo.com
Yikes! Haven't we gone through this argument before? What is it you missed the last time? The ads you speak of, are they for coronary artery and vascular disease or for lead and other heavy metal poisoning? --rb Earth to hawki, Earth to hawki -- come in space cadet. Over and out. --rb
jdrew63 ...@aol.com (Jan)
Proof please.
Jan The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein
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