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li ...@aol.com (Lili2)
NY DAILY NEWS...RUSH AND MOLLOY Tom Cruise wants to get your children off drugs.
Not coke. Not pot. Not smack.
We're talking about medications doctors prescribe to help them conquer learning disabilities such as hyperactivity and attention deficit disorder.
Last week, Cruise went to Washington to push one of the key causes of his Church of Scientology.
"There's a bill that just p***ed the House that makes it unlawful for schools and doctors to coerce children to get on drugs," he told us Thursday night at a benefit for MENTOR, the school charity that honored him for his work with tutoring programs. "We have some serious problems with education. I know a lot about it. There are 8 million kids that are being medicated with educational medication.
"Do you know about Ritalin, Adderall, psychotropic drugs?" Cruise went on.
"When you break down the chemical compound, it's the same as cocaine. Bet you didn't know that." We deferred to the "Minority Report" star, who has put his faith in the teachings of the late science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.
A few days before, Cruise, who has credited Scientology with helping him overcome dyslexia, lobbied for his position at a lunch with Education Secretary Rod Paige in Washington.
Cruise, who previously was a Bill Clinton supporter, may have been lobbying the White House for the funding of Scientology programs through President Bush's faith-based initiatives program, according to some familiar with the organization.
The actor, who took girlfriend Penelope Cruz to the MENTOR dinner, which was also attended by Tom Brokaw, Bill Russell, Libby Pataki, Lorraine Bracco and others, declined to say what he discussed with administration officials.
He did add, however, "I definitely promote religious tolerance everywhere."
"Slider2699" juuii...@kuim.com
I don't agree that NO child should take these meds, but I also don't believe that every child diagnosed with ADHD truly has ADHD. I think lots of parents view normal boisterous childhood behavior as something that needs to be "fixed".
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<< Cruise, who previously was a Bill Clinton supporter, may have been lobbying the White House for the funding of Scientology programs >> What's his stand on lobotomy reversal?
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lisala ...@aol.comnospam (Tina)
Thus we come to the REAL motive behind the Cruise Mentoring program - to promote CO$ doctorine against prescription medication and seek funding from the White House for his cult. Mentoring program for kids indeed....
Why am I NOT surprised?
Lisa Davidson ldavids...@socal.rr.com
And so, Donna, on what do you base these sweeping generalizations? I am really interested, because I know of other parents who, like my husband and me, have a child with ADHD who they are doing their best to raise in this crazy violent world. Yet, among all of these parents, I have never met anyone who meets your profile of "not being bothered to be teaching their kids to be civilized thoughtful human beings". In fact, civilized and thoughtful is exactly how I would describe both the parents and offspring we've met with other families dealing with ADHD.
I have also never met any parent who has "demanded" their child be put on ADHD treatment for their "convenience".
What I have encountered in my 15 years of being a parent with a child ADHD is many people who are scantly educated on the condition (yet who have opinions on it, including parental "laziness"), and many others who think they know better than us or our daughter's doctors about the proper treatments. Those ignorant people collectively caused our daughter to question her treatment. Because she is now old enough to be involved in her treatment, she went off her meds for a trimester. Her grades plummeted from straight A's to straight D's. Thankfully, they went back up after she realized what the change was doing to her.
I asked my daughter what she thought about all those people who don't have ADHD, aren't involved in it on a daily basis, yet still have opinions about the proper treatment (and alleged parental motives for treatment). Like a typical teen, she says, "thanks for nothing, ***holes".
Lisa Davidson
"Ambrose Meineke" ambrose_mein...@hotmail.com
because from everything I've read it's a structured counciling system called Processing, built around the idea that galvanic skin responses measured with a very crude unaccurate device called an E-meter can determine whether a person is telling the truth or not.
In a rigid process of questions and answers an Auditor, the person asking questions the Scientology initiate called I believe, a Pre-Clear?
while the (initiate) is holding two (believe it or not) tomato cans attached by wires to the E-meter. The Q and A process is monotously repeated over and over, with questions that increasingly require answers which are often of sexual in nature and or oc***ionally criminally incriminating. Within the Processing the Pre-Clear is often required to answer questions for which they couldn't possibly know, such as witnessing your father punching your mother in the stomach while she is pregnant with you, or your mother attempting to abort you.
Apparently in the Scientology worldview every man who is not processed desires to kill his pregnant wife and unborn child, and every woman wants to abort her unborn child and almost always makes crude attempts at aborting.
These abortion attempts always seem to include brutal intra-uterine invasions, with foreign objects, most commonly wire coat hangers and ice picks.
The auditing process questions must be answered until the E-meter shows that you are telling the truth, before you can raise your pre-clear status, from I-!V. At Pre-clear V, or somewhere in there you begin to move into Clear status, and from there you go to Cear I-?. This lie detection process continues requiring that you answer to things which are impossible in this life or this world, thus (it is suggested) that you are answering for past life experiences and or other planteary experiences. At some point you reach a status called Operating Thetan, (thetan being something akin to the concept of a soul) This last, is the only part of Scientology which seems anyway related to religion, the necessity of multiple reincarnations necessary to allow the auditing to continue, seems to preclude it being Christian, though most Scientology churhes display a cross, any mention of Jesus or the gospels is rather unlikely. The auditing process, was originally a part of Dianetic's, and the book published in the late nineteen forties was subtitled something like, "the modern way to mental health," but Dianetics clubs or centers kept getting into trouble for practicing psycho-therapy and or medicine so in 1963 Dianetics was redesignated Scientology at which time, probably to avoid interference from the government and to get out of paying taxes, and to avoid lawsuits if it's procedures caused harm, the founder L ROn Hubbard, former US Navy officer, and science fiction writer changed Dianetics to Scientology and declared it a religion. Now I'm no supporter of organized religion but putting Scientology in the same category as your basic neighborhood church or temple seems rather strange, but of course we live in a strange world. Very strange in the Scientology world. There is a history of sorts, though some of it was kept secret. We (our thetans) have been around sincewe were first exploded out of a primordial volcana, at which time we took primative forms. The one I recall is called the basic being, the BooHoo which was a sort of shapeless first form of life on her that crawled out of the sea. All our fears and anxieties go back to our BooHoo past when we were crawling up the beaches and w were harr***ed by scavaging birds, or some flying creature. How it was possible to have birds when the first lifeforms were the BooHoos seems a bit odd, but then no religious history (or scientific history for that matter) is without it's contradictions. And there's a whole buch of stuff about some ancient demagogue and lots of neat sounding science fiction-like space wars. Also in Scientology there are excercises, like staring in a mirror at your own eyes for hours on end, and then staring at other scientologists for hours at a time. The result is what, when I was living in Miami near the Scientology Temple people used to call the Scientology stare, a kind of bottomless intensity more akin to nightclub hypnotists than to people in a state of spiritual elevation. One of the complaints was how much the auditing sessions cost, and it is expensive, running into the thousands and even tens of thousands, and in typical sixties guru clut fashion there is always another course which will elevate you even higher. The process must have it's mind numbing qualities, because (most of those who've "escaped" scientology claim they were brain washed, though from what I saw living nearby, people would drop out all the time, either because they got bored or they ran out of spare cash.
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My mother tried many treatments with me. She tried diet, she tried medication, she tried counceling. Though when I was diagnosed back in the 70's it was just called hyperactivity. I'm afraid to have children, as I know how much trouble my mother went through with me (though convincing my husband that it isn't p***ed on is another story. I have no idea if it is or not, but I'd swear that my father has all the signs of it too.) I was medicated on and off through school. I was given things other than stimulants, such as tranquiliers, which did not work. The Ritalin worked fine. And when I was an adult and wanted to get back on meds when I decided to go back to college, I went to a neurologist/psychiatrist who specialized in this field and went through all of the diagnosis testing again, just to make sure this is what was really going on with me. And it was. He stuck with the Ritalin, as that is what helped me the best, especially during high school. I didn't take any meds from about 3rd grade up until high school, but I was sent to private schools then, which had smaller cl***es, and it was easier for them to handle children like myself. It was a regular private school and I did excell, in spite of not being on medication. As I said, when I went back to college, I could tell that my concentration wasn't up to par, and sought out treatment. I had gone to college a few other times off and on, and there is a big difference in my grades as well as my attendence with the medication.
I would say that testing by a specialist is something parents should seek out for this, as I will agree, there seem to be a whole lot of children being medicated for ADD/ADHD that probably have other problems. I'm glad you gave your daughter the opportunity to try a trimester without medication and let her be involved with her treatment. You can't be lazy with a child with ADD/ADHD, though some parents may be lazy and just try to treat their child for something they don't have.
Jennifer
gaze ...@yin.interaccess.com (Kenny McCormack)
But the funny part is this: Isn't that really true of all religion(s)?
The only real difference is that the standard ones have been grandfathered in. I honestly don't think that anyone could make a valid logical (scientific) argument (*) that Scientology is any better or worse than the standard religions. Just in case there is any doubt where I stand on this, I think they are all equally horrible.
(*) This is not to say that valid arguments based on social, economic, or psychological grounds can't be made (although I am sceptical).
P.S. The really funny thing to me is that, given the strong tradition of equality and non-prejudice (i.e., PC) that abounds in this group, I'm surprised you're not all clamoring to Scientology's defense (as being just another "life choice").
Lisa Davidson ldavids...@socal.rr.com
Thank you for your insights, Jennifer.
We also listened to our daughter about which high school to attend and so she is in a small charter high school instead of the bigger but better funded school we preferred. The smaller cl***es and smaller student body have also been beneficial to her.
In terms of diagnosis and treatment, we sought the help of a child and adolescent psychiatrist and even though we are now with a different practitioner than at first, the second is also a board certified specialist in this area. Yet, in this celebrity loving world, our efforts are nothing compared to a fringe "religion" with celebrity endorsers who spread misinformation about our daughter's condition.
Lisa
Lisa Davidson ldavids...@socal.rr.com
Please see my notes below -
I was not raking you over the coals. I was asking you one thing: on what evidence do you base your contention that people give their children medication instead of raising them properly? Do you know anyone like this? Do you do studies on this? I did challenge you on this because I suspect that so many people have heard this story that they now accept it as a fact even though it's almost entirely false. If you interpret that as defensive, you are of course entitled to your opinion. However, you really have no way of knowing what I am or am not interested in.
For your clarification, I did read your entire post and I understand that you consider ADHD a real condition. Again, you ***ert that there are people who "misuse" the condition, and again, I ask you, on what do you base this statement on? Do you actually know of someone who has done this? If you really think my head is in the sand, please cite the evidence, because I have yet to hear about it.
First, I am very sorry to hear that your son has multiple handicaps and based upon what you have posted, I ***ume that you do all you can to help your son. Second, I hear you saying that you know of parents who do very little for their children and then "blame" ADHD for things going wrong. I'm sorry you've had that experience. How many parents like this do you know of who cop out this way?
Do these parents also misuse the treatments for ADHD? the medications? Or is this a different group than the ones who misuse the diagnosis? I must tell you I agree that not everyone who has children should have had them. However, the vast majority of parents I've met - with or without ADHD - try their best to raise good children.
And again, I ask you, do you actually know someone like this? Any child can be a handful. One with behavioral disorders, especially so. But I heard this too, Donna, that there were people who medicated for convenience - and so I started asking questions. What I discovered is that - at least where I live - doctors will not give drugs like Ritalin unless they are needed. And, even if they did, how "convenient" is it for a parent? We have to pick up a triplicate prescription in person and have it filled within 7 days. The process of getting the meds is very time consuming - it is definitely not convenient at all. In fact, it's about a half a day's time every month for our family, and we've been doing it for over 10 years. My husband and I have concluded that either this " medication for convenience" is propaganda by the anti-scientific crowd or that other people have a whole lot more time than we do.
We have encouraged our daughter to not listen to others who question our handling of her condition as you suggest, but as a mother you can surely understand the power of peer pressure on a teen. You're right that ADHD can be misdiagnosed - but treatment often reveals the diagnostic error. Our daughter's doctor says that someone who does not have ADHD would react totally differently than does our daughter on her ADHD medications. So, I would not be angry if someone were misdiagnosed - just sorry that their child was given the wrong treatment.
Yes, she probably would be upset if this happened but I suspect it would not last for long. She could hand the parent her doctor's card, and if they did not seek treatment, the truth would come out rather quickly.
Again, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. From my POV, this is not the case.
Lisa
"Ambrose Meineke" ambrose_mein...@hotmail.com
unit when I was in the Army, and we studied some about them. And like I said I once lived close to their Miami center and I dated a couple girls who were taking Scientology auditing and they talked a lot about it. And I did read Paulette Cooper's (1971) book "The Scandal of Scientology" which has been kept out of print for years.
Incidentally, Charles Manson was a Pre-Clear IV Scientologist. Auditing was offered as a self help program to prisoners in CA in the 1960's. Also, former Scientologists, are Robert and Marianne DeGrimston who were the co-founders of the black-robed, Lucifer-Satan-Jehovah worshipping, highly litigious Process Church, whose members also included Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz of the Son of Sam murders, which the Process Church apparently participated in with Berkowitz. The Process as it is commonly known has been linked to numerous revenge or sacrificial murders from the 60's on.
Indeed, Scientology has a lot of curious connections to various and sundry social and psychological experiments going back to the 1940's. Some of the more curious are, the well established connections between Hubbard and Satanist Jack Parsons. Parsons was America's foremost solid fuel rocket fuel expert, scientist and friend of founding new age magician Aleister Crowley. Parson's wife Marjory was oft described as the perfect scarlet woman, an archetype image of the whore of Babylon. In the late 1940's Jack and Marjory were attempting through sexual magical workings to create the Homunculus, Babalon, the moon child, Anti-Christ , a soulless intellectual being created to lead humanity into the Aquarian New Age. Hubbard, fresh out of the Navy was hanging around the Pasadena, CA house where the Parsons-Cameron Sex Magic workings took place, though later he claimed he was only observing them for government intelligence, or something.
Before linking up with Parsons, Hubbard was a US Navy Captain in WWII, serving in the Pacific, and had a ship shot out from under him. Hubbard survived a long harrowing ordeal alone in a lifeboat. At one time held the record for surviving alone in a lifeboat. Supposedly, Hubbard was the basis for the "Mr. Roberts" character in the eponymous play and movie. Apparently, while working for Naval Intelligence, Hubbard, who had also been a Science Fiction writer of some note, had some sort of epiphany and wrote a book on mind science called "Excalibur," which was a raw precursor of what, in a gentler form would later become the principles of Dianetics-Scientology.
Excalibur was apparently pretty powerful stuff, because the first few people who read it, reportedly went insane. It was stolen, allegedly by agents of the Soviet MKVD or KGB Excalibur was carefully studied at (the Pavlov Institute(?)--to keep from resulting in madness, Excalibur was divided into portions for study, so that no one person would be exposed to the complete text--Excalibur, it is said, became the basis of the amazing Russian advances in mind control, which were used in the cold war, and in particular, in m*** social control which (supposedly) was a central factor in keeping the Soviet population under control for as long as they were.
Under control, that is, until western methods of microwave, radio frequency, and laser pulse mind control took over the Western military mind control techniques, of consciousness manipulation and social de-stabilization, which were enacted following the CIA Monarch studies, in the 1970's when Monarch was supposedly shut down.
I say supposedly because when I was just out of OCS, I was sent by the Army to U of Penn to study the methods of Dr Paul Olne whose work was influential in the methodology of most of the military mind control programs at that time. (I know that sounds weird but I was a poor kid and it was a free education at an Ivy League school in the 1970's and hippie infested Philadelphia was a pretty interesting place to be.) Anyway, despite the publics queasiness about them, military mind control programs have never really gone away. I'm sure they were used in Iraq, and probably accounted for the rapid collapse of the Iraqi Republican Guard, and various Sadam Loyalist Militias.
Back to Scientology. Most everything written about Scientology by Scientologists themselves, or by their enemies has multiple layers and a legendary quality to it.
I'm not sure why, except that nowadays there are prominent Scientologists who speak in public about it's supposed virtues, and that might be threatening to those committed (excuse the pun) to the FDA AMA APA approved methods of mental and or psychological therapy. Also mainstream religions probably see Scientology as stealing away deep-pocketed members of churches and synagogues in the cities like LA where Scientology is prominent.
Since most of my life besides my time in the Army has been as a struggling and mostly failing musician, and despite my own knowledge of mind control techniques, I've found myself conned, manipulated and ripped off by agents, managers and lawyers, so it just goes to show you.
But in my humble opinion, being conned and manipulated by some nerd with an electric device and a couple of soup cans seems a pretty tame. But to be fair, I guess the importance of a rip-off, is in the mind of the one being ripped off.
Ambrose
Emma Chase VanCott 7...@qlink.queensu.ca
: Tom Cruise wants to get your children off drugs.
: Not coke. Not pot. Not smack.
: We're talking about medications doctors prescribe to help them conquer learning : disabilities such as hyperactivity and attention deficit disorder.
: Last week, Cruise went to Washington to push one of the key causes of his : Church of Scientology.
: "There's a bill that just p***ed the House that makes it unlawful for schools : and doctors to coerce children to get on drugs," he told us Thursday night at a : benefit for MENTOR, the school charity that honored him for his work with : tutoring programs. "We have some serious problems with education. I know a lot : about it. There are 8 million kids that are being medicated with educational : medication.
: "Do you know about Ritalin, Adderall, psychotropic drugs?" Cruise went on.
: "When you break down the chemical compound, it's the same as cocaine. Bet you : didn't know that." Um, yeah, Tom.
"Tom Hens" tom.h...@iname.com.DELETE.THIS.BIT
He joined the US Navy Reserve as a Lieutenant in 1941 (first Lt. Junior Grade, then a few months later got the automatic promotion to full Lieutenant), and never got any further promotion. He did command (very briefly) two ships, both of them small civilian vessels converted for naval support duties. He was removed from both commands for sheer incompetence, declared "unfit for independent command", and spent the rest of the war at a desk.
Bunk. Hubbard never saw combat.
More bunk. I don't know where you get this from, it isn't even part of the official Scientology hagiographies, which largely consist of Hubbard's own lies. The man was an inveterate, pathological liar, from long before he thought up his money-making scam, erm, sorry, "religion", Scientology.
More bunk.
<Even more crazy stuff snipped> If you want to read *facts*, not Hubbard's own bad fiction, about his military career, there is a meticulously researched and documented essay on the topic by the British historian Chris Owen, at http://www.ronthewarhero.org The only good general Hubbard biography is Russell Miller's excellent "Bare-Faced Messiah", which is well-written and often quite funny, and can be found in full at http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm The best starting point for more general information about Scientology is http://www.xenu.net <snip> That's exactly why I'm recommending Russel Miller's and Chris Owen's writings. Neither of them has any personal axe to grind, they're not Scientologists or disgruntled former Scientologists, or interested in promoting any competing cult, Christian or otherwise (Miller was a journalist who got interested in the topic because of a story he had to write, Owen is a military historian). They stick to the facts and document them meticulously. In Hubbard's case, those facts aren't pretty.
"Ambrose Meineke" ambrose_mein...@hotmail.com
Thanks for factual corrections. As I said so much about Scientology and Hubbard lurks in legend and myth. I wasn't suggesting that what I wrote was an accurate history of Hubbard's life or of Scientology, just what I heard from people involved and read in Ms. Cooper's book and the pamphlets we were given the Army. From what I can tell L Ron Hubbard's life has at least four different versions, ranging from his being a combo of Saint Francis and Admiral Nelsen to him being a combo of PT Barnum and Aleister Crowley. The stuff I wrote about his Naval experience was standard 1960's-70's Scientology propaganda.
Some of the more curious things I've heard was Hubbard's late nineteen forties connections to a sybaritic fringe LA sci-fi writer crowd that included strange people like poet Anais Nin and others and eerie array of Hollywood outsiders who sounded like a collection of Ed Wood, losers except that they were connected to a pre-beatnik bohemian, drugs, sex homosexual underground who were involved with pornography. Apparently porn movies were smuggled into Florida from Cuba in the late forties and early fifties and at some point Hubbard left LA and moved to Florida where he lived on a yacht that he had dishonesty acquired with some woman, (Marjory Cameron perhaps) The two were involved in smuggling of porn including child pornography which at the time was a standard sub category of porn. Pretty gross stuff if it's true, but as with most stories about Hubbard, it is difficult to check because so much about Hubbard's history has been cleansed by his committed fellow travelers.
Thanks for mentioning Miller's "Bare Faced Messiah." I had a copy of it that I started reading but which got misplaced when I moved South. I'll have to get another copy.
Ambrose
"Ambrose Meineke" ambrose_mein...@hotmail.com
Certainly the Protestant involvement with racism in the south and the Catholic involvement in the pedophile culture and the smuggling of Nazi's away from punishment after WWII and Judaism, in particular Orthodox Judaism's deeply callous involvement with Apartheid South Africa, and in the war, torture and slavery based diamond trade, are all pretty horrible, but I'm given to think that those crimes are not intrinsic in their religions but in the organizations.
Any place where people form groups where actions of individuals can become anonymous are in essence negative, and when they are glazed over with a mantel of religious piety, it easily becomes a hot house for some the worst kinds of perversity and corruption.
Ambrose
yazpistac ...@mchsi.com (yaz pistachio)
the main difference between Scientology and any legitimate religion is that Scientology charges admission -- you could walk into any Catholic or Protestant church, any synagogue, any Buddhist temple and ask for religious instruction and you would receive it -- free. Scientology makes you pay. a *LOT*. and, once people pay that much money for the courses, they feel that they *must* have bought something worthwhile, so they become involved in defending their expenditure/Scientology -- it's like someone who's been involved in a lousy relationship for years. they have to either admit that they've wasted all that time or find a way to justify it, so they justify it.
it's also a never-ending spiral of purchases -- each course leads to another course or treatment, and *all* of them cost.
yaz pistachio once dated a Scientologist
anim8r ...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk)
<< the main difference between Scientology and any legitimate religion is that Scientology charges admission -- you could walk into any Catholic or Protestant church, any synagogue, any Buddhist temple and ask for religious instruction and you would receive it -- free. >> Ha!
Our Sunday school teacher, at the North Congressional Church of the Beatitudes, told us how we had to pay every time we came in. They made us fill out forms saying how much we were going to pay for the year, and gave us little money envelopes with the string seals that we had to write our names on and the amount enclosed every week. And if we DIDN'T come one week, we had to make it up the next.
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yazpistac ...@mchsi.com (yaz pistachio)
interesting -- were members of the church (i mean, grown-up members) charged too? i know that a lot of Protestant churches (esp. Baptist, as i learned growing up in the South) put pressure on people to donate/tithe/support the community, but i still think that you could become convert without having to pay. maybe not at the North Congressional Church of the Beatitudes -- heck, is that even Protestant? is it Catholic? -- but you could find some Protestant or Catholic church that would welcome you & instruct you. Scientology, though, is *only* available to those who will pay --
either in money or by (literally) selling your body to the organization. i believe it is possible to receive instruction by joining the Sea Org, but you sure don't have freedom/yourself after that.
yaz pistachio why aren't you chocolate?
anim8r ...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk)
<< Many Christian denominations and other churches flog the concept of tithing. Although they will admit you to the fold without paying up, they generally extract a promise to do so from you. >> Yep. A friend of mine that moves a lot is so indoctrinated that her family finds a nearby church to tithe to first thing in a new location, even if they don't like the place, just to make sure they never miss a week, whether they go or not, because 'they owe God the money' << The Mormons don't ask to see your pay stub. They're on the honor system. They do, however, presume that you will ante up 1/10th of your gross income. >> Oooooooooo yeah.
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<< interesting -- were members of the church (i mean, grown-up members) charged too? >> I bailed before I was an adult. I had a fight with Mrs. Godwin (yes, that was her name) when I told her that I wasn't going to pay on weeks I didn't come, because as far as I was concerned it was like going to a movie; if you didn't go the the theater, you didn't owe them any money.
<< maybe not at the North Congressional Church of the Beatitudes -- heck, is that even Protestant? is it Catholic? >> General Protestant.
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<< Have you ever seen the sacred skivvies? Fredericks of Hollywood they ain't. >> I have a 'sacred skivvies' story if anyone is interested . . .
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<< > I have a 'sacred skivvies' story if anyone is interested . . .
Yes! Dish! Dish! >> Okay, since you asked so nicely :-) Halloween party at my place, a couple years ago Friend A, Mormon, shows up in his civvies. Goes into the living room and sheds his outer garb, beneath which he has an absolutely kick-*** Green Lantern costume his new GF had made for him (we told him, marry that girl, and he did).
Go now to: http://www.joeacevedo.com/images/figurezone/dcdfigures/dcdglhal3.jpg to see what he looked like.
Okay, while he's disrobing, he's walked in on by Friend B (known to this group as my gay friend who married a hooker in a last ditch desperate attempt to prove he was straight). Friend B is unfamiliar with the sartorial trappings of the Green Lantern Corp. He comes back in, horrified. He's of the opinion that Friend A has just stripped down to his Sacred Skivvies, and is about to come out and try to convert us all.
I must admit, the idea of dressing like the Green Lantern Corp beneath my street clothes would, for me, be the most appealing part of joining the LSD.
But I just loved that this was the first conclusion Friend B came to. That this is how Mormons dress, and wait to pounce on unsuspecting pagans.
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<< I'll keep after the Mormons who show up at my door, but in the meantime, this will have to suffice: http://nowscape.com/mormon/undrwrmo.htm >> "nipple protectors"????????
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Really, I had no idea he was a Republican senator!
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<< Really, I had no idea he was a Republican senator! >> But, we did all know you're an idiot!
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