Loyalists at it again at Holy Cross
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gavs_use ...@swissonline.ch (Gav)
Just saw the news when I got home ... looks like its back to square one again.
For some reason, the millions of pounds of cash infused into local projects by the gullible British government at the behest of the local bigots doesn't seem to have reduced their hatred of Catholics one iota and its spilled over again in what seems to be an organised series of violent incidents.
Now theres a turn-up for the books.
See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1751000/1... Gav
su ...@aol.comnot (Sutal)
I'm setting up a quick private webpage to display some of the photos I took at the Holy Cross "protest" in November. Also adding some thoughts I had after witnessing this outrage, speaking to parents and kids, collecting news items etc.. Email me at aol if you are interested in the url. I'm still working on getting permission from parents to use the photos of the little girls, but I'll have this done in the next few days.
gavs_use ...@swissonline.ch (Gav)
You should make the page public ... the world needs to see what is going on behind the scenes.
This evening saw the usual sight of mainstream Unionist politicians on the telly blaming all the problems on 'Republicans'. Particularly sad was the sight of Jim Rodgers, in his Lord Mayors garb and speaking as the Lord Mayor of Belfast (supposedly ALL of Belfast) slabbering away on C4 news in an attempt to say that somehow the parents and kids were at fault for what happened.
Fecking disgraceful, no wonder the powers of councils in NI had to be stripped away following decades of Unionist abuse of power in them.
It seems that even the much reduced position of Lord Mayor of Belfast is _still_ liable to be abused by Unionist politicians now, a prime example of why Nationalists and Catholics are so outraged when they see people ***ociated with loyalist terrorist groups being voted into such high profile positions (we've had UDA and then a UVF ***ociated Deputy Lord Mayors for the past two years) by the same politicians who threaten to destroy the GFA over the pace of progress of IRA decommissioning.
Gav
DavidCraig1 ...@aol.com (David Craig)
Yeah, much like the Garvaghy Road residents who cant cope with one nine-minute march a year. Wonder how they would react if the Orangemen demaned the right to walk up and down twice a day tweo hindred days a year?
CONCERNED ULSTERMAN
"duck" d...@on-edie.net
*They would react with disbelief that the Orangemen would want to attend church more than once a year. Ive seen no end of animalistic behaviour from both sides in the lifetime of the troubles, but these attacks on a school, the parents and the children leave little comparison in the direct adult/child nature of intimidation.
For you to compare any other situation to seek to justify what is so clearly wrong is bigotry second to none, do you understand that, can you take in what that means, no other poster in this or any other newsgroup even in their sickest hour can match your cowardly attempts to justify an attack on a school! If some empty head removes flowers from a memorial, it simply means some empty head has removed flowers from a memorial, it does'nt equate to attacking a childrens primary school, even if they may put you to shame with their intelligence.
Listening then to a mayor (who as a Protestant claims to represent me) completely gloss over the injustice of it all, simply because he sees fit to take sides, is an abuse of his office and those chains round his neck I would gladly tighten. Maybe that should'nt be the attitude, but the way I felt listening to his pontifications, throttling was just one of many options!
Maybe some in this group disagree too, but see me as walking into one of the many traps we in N.Ireland set for each other. If removing flowers is a 'cunning plan' then I gladly walk in with my big ****in webbed feet and opaque milk bottle end goggles just to blindly play into Mr Gerry Adams outstretched hands himself and use his shoulders as a soap box to declare it.
I am more than capable of standing up against those who would play me for a fool, but this aint it, this wont be stopped with military might (though I have to admit it would give me some satisfaction to see it) this will be stopped when for one of the few times in the history of the troubles, someone actually takes on their own and risks the political suicide they all fear so much!
Duck
gavs_use ...@swissonline.ch (Gav)
The usual Unionist "Sectarian demonstration by anti catholic organisation equals five year old girls going to school" crap.
Crawl back under your Red White and Blue kerbstone before someone steps on you.
Gav
Brendan Heading TheGreatSupre...@hotmail.com
A certain David Craig, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes : Hello David. Care to condemn the rioting this evening ? Care to condemn attacks on schoolchildren and vandalism which has led to the closure of their school ? Thought not.
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Barclay Lane barclay.l...@lineone.net
As one born in N.Ireland to a very traditional protestant background, may I just thank you for a brilliant post. If only I could be so accurate and eloquent in my advocacy of those causes I feel deeply about.
Respect is due.
Barclay Trying to make a difference....
"duck" d...@on-edie.net
*Dont let me stop you, your reply was as good as any, get in there and say your piece, the more the merrier. I was pissed yesterday when I got home and saw the twats at it on the news, it's times like that I could easily agree with the likes of Hawk and advocate a bit of yo-yo politics myself, but I can't go back. Anyway thanks for the respect, it's hard to know wether others see me as a twat or not, I know I should'nt care and though I would'nt lose sleep over it, its nice to get feedback that is'nt always negative now and again.
:-) Duck
"neutral" 3...@hotmail.com
Excellent and accurate post. Good man ...
"duck" d...@on-edie.net
Good name : ) Duck
Gregory gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com
The Quinn kids were roasted alive for their faith because of Garvaghy and the Orange Order. The problem with Portadown and North Belfast is that many of the local 'Protestants' are frequently so extreme that even radical fundamentalists think they are bigoted fruitcakes on a hate mission to nowhere.
Let us be honest, we are not actually talking about real Protestants, we are talking about white trash bigots who have only their own twisted hate as a manifesto. Bombing and shooting at children was how some Northern Ireland Protestants decided to celebrate Christmas. Catholic children are frequently singled out for attack.
gregory.humani ...@ntlworld.com (Lisieux)
That is exactly what the Unionists are doing and the UDA terrorists take their cue from that. The Catholics of North Belfast are suffering a real pogrom. The UDA tried to kill children over the Christmas period as tjhey played with their presents. The Catholics are being bombed and shot at with complete and utter impunity.
Gregory gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com
The RUC had to actually pull pistols on the bloodthirsty fruitcakes who were trying to get at the kids and parents in the Holy Cross grounds. As far as I know they were ramming the school gates. The PUP/UVF have conceded that a Catholic woman was struck by a loyalist. That was what started the violence. However the BBC will not be telling their viewers that. The BBC is institutionally racist and simply can't get with the program if you will excuse the pun.
"At one stage some of his officers had to draw their weapons to hold back Protestants trying to break their way in the school grounds. He said today: "Police had to intervene. They attempted to make an arrest.
At that point a person (a Protestant) was rescued by a crowd and within a very short time of time we had crowds from both sides out on the streets."" (Mothers' Row On Footpath Sparked Night Violence- PA 01/10/02 07:08 Copyright 2002 PA News By Deric Henderson, PA News) I'd like to see Panorama investigate racism within the BBC. Northern Irish Catholics are an utterly invisible breed of beings as far as the BBC is concerned. They are a minority without rights. The most bizarre abuses are glossed over.
Thirty years after the civil rights marches and Northern Irish Catholics are still the most persecuted minority in Western Europe. They sustain more hate crime than all the other minorities in the UK combined and those Irish Catholics do live in the UK. They are not living on the planet Mars. The BBC is as inherently racist today as it was thirty years ago.
Brendan Heading TheGreatSupre...@hotmail.com
A certain duck, of ni.politics "fame", writes : If some twat removed flowers from a memorial, then that person really is a total lowlife piece of scum. I'm not saying that you're advocating it but personally I'm slightly sceptical about that particular story. We're being told that one individual (no mention of there being more than one man) walked in and vandalized a memorial, and casually walked out laughing at the residents, who all just gazed stupidly at him.
Where were all the loyalists who later attacked the school then ? Why didn't they chase the guy ? Did they all just sit there and watch ?
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Brendan Heading TheGreatSupre...@hotmail.com
A certain Gav, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes : I'm on a suicide mission. Holding my breath to wait for Nigel Dodds to condemn the rioting and announce the withdrawal of the funding package.
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"duck" d...@on-edie.net
*You could be right, could be an excuse, any thugs attacking a school would'nt think twice about making that up. But even in their dimness they might've imagined a better story. There's no shortage of evidence of this kind of thing from graveyards to actual permanent memorials on both sides.
Besides prior to the Holy Cross most of the thugs would'nt surface before 12noon they just have to get up early to pinch anything.J/k Im sure as the area prior to this had quietened somewhat, the nieghbours nearby would'nt be watching for anyone in the early hours. As far as im aware it was simply a plate strapped onto a telegraph post with a holder for flowers, how hard would that be? Is this not just a petty point? In no way am I defending anything the thugs do, but surely suggesting nothing happens is as bad as saying it all happens against them.
Duck
gavs_use ...@swissonline.ch (Gav)
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:16:49 +0000, Brendan Heading Don't you know it was all the parents/kids fault for supposedly removing a wreath placed on a lamp-post?
How could anyone blame those poor, alienated Glenbryn residents in view of the fact that they've had to sit back and watch equal opportunity legislation and policing reforms (no matter how watered down) .. whilst catholic kids have the temerity to attend a school in 'their' area.
Gav
Brendan Heading TheGreatSupre...@hotmail.com
A certain duck, of ni.politics "fame", writes : It could well be true, but a graveyard is different from a highly-charged spot on the site of the Holy Cross "protests" from recently.
They were up early enough to watch the vandalism take place and observe the vandal disappearing into the Catholic bit of Ardoyne, they say.
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gavs_use ...@swissonline.ch (Gav)
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:56:41 +0000, Brendan Heading Not just that Brendan, allegedly the Catholic mother who was attacked really just took exception at some local who accidentally bumped into her, and then called a gang of provos who wandered into the estate, under the noses of the police and crowds of residents, attacked a bunch of cars and then tried to attack some houses before walking out apparently without ever being captured on camera or molested in any way by the hundreds of police or locals. Strangely enough, the only car vandalism seen on the TV footage was the police car torched by the locals.
I'm not kidding, this was one excuse put forward on the news by a local Unionist councillor. They're not very good at the old propoganda game, are they? I thought the 'revelation' of a supposed threat against protestant building workers in West Belfast on the very morning of this supposed 'flare up out of nowhere' was the best one though. Not quite on a par with the 'letters sent to local Glenbryn pensioners threatening them' but pretty cheeky nevertheless.
Couldn't they at least have had the common sense to fake the threat a few days before? Even an idiot like Jim Rodgers can't have failed to notice the 'convenient' timing. Still, BBCNI was more than happy to have something to put up on screen to use as a foil to the violence at the school.
One thing all this has proved, whether or not theres an IRA campaign to blame loyalist violence on, it won't stop them from deluding themselves that they are under siege. And responsible Unionist politicians who should be speaking up against whats going on in North Belfast are either keeping schtumm, or engaging in the time honoured tradition of equivocating over Loyalist terrorism.
Gav
"Conor Booze O'Brien" conorboozeharpicandsmith...@hotmail.com
They seem to be getting better though. That item about the Model kids being transported by Police down the Crumlin Road was a gem. The BBC even headlined it on their 6.00pm News. Its nice to know that there is some intelligence at work behind the mask, or maybe the BBC are just very stupid, or something else.
Conor
Gregory gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com
That was BS, the loyalists are still trying to get their stories straight. A Catholic parent was attacked by loyalist thugs and the police were called and made an arrest and a loyalist mob rescued the person who was arrested. Not that one will discover that from watching the BBC. The most fruitcake thing about the white trash bigots is that they eventually believe their own Walty Mitty garbage. Later some Nationalists were shot and I gather the UDA have just tossed a grenade at the security forces. The UDA are bomb happy scum bags who know that the chances of them being prosecuted for throwing bombs is about zero on an unlucky day and on a good day it simply isn't a risk they need to worry about. Now if it was the IRA throwing hundreds of bombs they'd be shot dead by the dozen.
Gregory gregory.humani...@ntlworld.com
I love it when you talk funny.
gavs_use ...@swissonline.ch (Gav)
Yes, I have to say that the pictures of Protestant Kids being herded into landrovers for no better reason than their busses weren't running, was a real tour de force.
When I first saw the news I thought "Oh no, some nutcase Republican spastics have decided to copy the Glenbryn thugs". Upon actually studying the footage and reports it seems that the 'demonstration' which was supposedly 'blockading' the school was nothing more than a crowd of people gathered at some shops, in a Nationalist area down the road.
The school buses were apparently not running because somebody chucked stones at one the day before (which begs the question - how did the kids GET to school in the first place), and for some reason the police decided to load all the kids into the back of Landrovers -
in full view of the cameras of course, with a UDA politico slabbering on about the poor kids (conveniently ignoring the fact that his terrorist colleagues have been behind the actual blockade of Holy Cross).
A rather more sensible move might have been to send the kids home in taxis or rented minibuses, but someone somewhere clearly saw the propoganda value to putting them into armoured vehicles. The fact that cameras were conveniently there to record the whole thing and a UDA politician there to run around bleating smacks of a highly organised media event to me. The media were certainly more than keen to be able to present pictures of Protestant kids in distress as a sort of balance to all the ones we've seen from Holy Cross.
Anyway, even when the police landrovers drove down the road, the supposedly menacing crowd just let them through with no trouble (save the usual sight of a few kids having a kick as they went past). I'd like to know exactly who took the decisions regarding the Land Rovers and what was behind it.
Gav
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