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chuckgould.ch ...@gmail.com
This is fun; I'm working on a filler piece this evening that recounts the history of the local Bayliner dealer. (The firm just celebrated its 50th anniversary, although it did not sell Bayliner for some years after it was founded).
I've got three brochure photos for some really old Bayliner models.
A Mutiny, a Discovery, and a Cornet. These boats are 16, 17 and 19 feet in length.
Back in the day, models posing in some boat brochure photos were dressed in business suits! The skipper is dressed in a shirt, jacket, tie, the whole works. In one photo of the suit and tie boater, his female p***enger is dressed in a business dress and sports a "bee hive" hairdo. In another photo, two women are out in a boat, and one of them is wearing a very modest two-piece bathing suit. It was probably considered "risque" in its era.
jps tr...@thedump.com
Beehives were cool, so were mutton chops.
If you're marketing a go-fast boat these days, two endowed models in bathing suits is mandatory fare.
jps
"Bryan" bryan....@pac.bell.net
Today's models will have the mandatory enhanced personal flotation devices ...
"Doug Kanter" ancientang...@hotmail.com
The Chapman's book I had in the 1960s contained an entire section on proper wardrobe for the yacht club. It specified uniforms for certain people. My dad had a business acquaintance who docked his 75' toy in Sands Point, Long Island. The guy was referred to as "admiral" by his chums at the club, and certainly by the dock boys, of course. I asked my dad once if the guy had been in the Navy. He said no, and the "admiral" thing was just an affectation among the clubby types.
Un-friggin-believable.
Skipper fairwi...@cox.net
Actually, the NG does have a snooty, holier than thou, commodore yachty type participant. You might want to ask Commodore Chucky about it.
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Don White whi...@ns.sympatico.ca
Would the 'real' Snipper please stand up.
chuckgould.ch ...@gmail.com
Aha. Psuedo now runs from his unsupportable claims that I am a "liar" (offers no evidence of any type) simply to show up in this thread and start a new line of personal attack. Do you ever tire of being a sick, twisted, negative minded little butt barnacle, Psuedo?
I'd love to know upon what basis you characterize me as "Commodore Chucky". I have never served in that capacity in any club. (Board Chairman is a different office, attending to the business aspects rather than the social aspects of the organization). I have not even been a member of any yacht club for a few years. But then again, the truth has never been an important element in your endless bowel movement of personal attacks has it, Psuedo? How sad to end up in life as a broken down, bitter, boatless old man with nothing to do but crank out bitchy little insults to virtual strangers all around the world.
Man, that has got to be one depressing fate. Sorry for your loss (of self respect), Psuedo.
The real Skipper appeared, for all intents and purposes, to be a member of the KKK. He really launched some zingers about blacks and jews a couple of times. I used to belong to a yacht club, but I've never belonged to any organization that preached hatred and intolerance.
Given the choice between one and the other, I'd take the yacht club any day.
GFYS. (Stands for: good for you, "skipper", of course).
PocoLoco PocoLoco...@hotmail.com
Sure does sound like you're talking to Harry! When Harry started his shit with me, I got pissed. Made an *** out of myself. I've since learned to laugh at his foolishness and chalk it up to NPD.
You now seem to be having the same problems several in the group have had with Krause. Pain in the butt, isn't it?
Filter him, 'cause it's sounding more and more like he's for real.
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John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan
"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" coffeegrin...@columbia.com
Chuck, Skipper has made a few comments about your integrity and you go ballistic.
JimH should not have allowed your personal attacks on him to piss him off, but it did. Maybe you owe him an apology, you know what they say about Karma.
ps - This Skipper is Dave Mann from Derby Kansas. He is the person you meet in person, it is not a Pseudo.
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chuckgould.ch ...@gmail.com
Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote: I have done nothing to deserve the non-stop flaming this individual began with his "open letter" thread and has continued ever since.
If any of his outrageous charges had a shred of truth, that would be one thing.
Only a sick bastard takes up stalking a person from thread to thread to lob disruptive insults. This character is surely not the first to pull this nonsense in the NG, and probably won't be the last.
You ain't seen "ballistic", Starbucks. I'm currently merely annoyed with this little butt barnacle- but if he insists on stalking me he's going to get an offal surprise sooner rather than later.
No, he should not. JimH should have thicker skin. He who wields a flame thrower is well advised to wear an asbestos suit and keep a sharp eye peeled for blowback. JimH is far superior to Psuedo, however, as JimH only attempts to make a personal issue out of posts that have actually appeared in the NG. Psuedo, OTOH, dreams up some crap supposedly from five years ago and supposedly from a private conversation and challenges people to defend/explain statements that were never made in the first place. JimH often chooses a very narrow and unusual perspective from which to evaluate a post, but it would be very much unlike JimH to make up crap out of thin air and then demand somebody account for it. When JimH calls me a liar, as he has done on a number of oc***ions, he always itemizes his bill and pulls no punches as to the nature of the "lie" he is alleging.
The major similarity between Psuedo and JimH is that its a dislike for my political philosophy that fosters the vast majority of their personal remarks.
JimH has never met me, and Psuedo Skipper obviously doesn't know me.
Maybe you owe him an apology, you know what they say about I publicly apologized for voicing my suspicion that the extremely weird, once-in-a-lifetime posting style used by "Skipper" at the opening of his "Open Letter" attack thread and the use of the same very unsual style and phrasing in an attack post by JimH likely indicated common authorship. I do not apologize for suspecting the common authorship. You, yourself, said you suspected a common authorship until some computer-related data convinced you otherwise.
I am beginning to see some similarity between the current version of Skipper and the very worst examples of Cave Mann when he was most out of control in previous years. What a shame if it's Dave, time has not been kind to him at all.
If it's really Dave, the Psuedo Skipper title still fits him very well.
If he buys another boat, we'll surely begin hearing tales about how his new driveway ornament is the best "purpose built" craft on the planet, and he'll be insisting that everybody else drag their boats down to Mexico where he will demonstrate proper technique for riding out hurricane force winds in a little runabout. Maybe he'll invite his Wilson cousins, the Boys can sit on the Beach.
"Starbuckaroo" coffeegrin...@columbia.com
Chuck, For what it is worth, nothing Skipper says will change anyone's impression of your integrity. I wouldn't let it bother you.
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"Starbuckaroo" coffeegrin...@columbia.com
Harry, Why are you getting in the middle of Chuck's and my discussion? Are you playing Chuck? Are you stirring the pot?
What are you doing in this thread?
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"Bert Robbins" sc...@you.com
Now you are going to try and play the poor innocent me card. It won't work.
Sounds like you are describing your buddy Harry and tag along Don.
Idle threat or you are going to go into one of your self imposed hiatus'.
Seems like your skin is getting thinner every day.
So, you have been challenged in a public forum for private a discussion you had with Skipper? Tell us your side and we will then determine who we believe.
Chuck you are a bully and when some one turns it back on you it really gets you pissed. A spoon full of your own medicine is often bitter.
Your tirads about those that have differing opinions is what pisses people off. You have an air of superiority in your written words.
Keep trying you will realize the source someday.
Time hasn't been good to you either, you have become more acidic these last couple of years.
The similarities between Skipper and Harry are very interesting.
Skipper fairwi...@cox.net
Are you now stating the conversations you had with Skipper about AIMS did not happen?
Why are you avoiding an open discussion about AIMS? Could it be because that would show you in an unflattering light?
You seem mighty worried about this invitation to an open discussion. I believe most will have a hard time understanding your reluctance to discuss your prior statements about AIMS.
You might want to follow you own advice about flaming others. It open an invitation to an open discussion about YOUR conduct.
"Dreams up crap that never took place"? Perhaps we should discuss and let the NG readers decide for themselves who is relating the truth.
Would seem you are Mr. Perfect and have no fault. Congratulations. Now, lets discuss AIMS and your statements.
Sufficient evidence has been presented so that you KNOW who is accusing you.
All but one of those cousins are now dead, as are their parents. The one cousin who lives is brain fried. As I've stated before, you are indeed a cl*** act, Chucky.
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Skipper
Skipper fairwi...@cox.net
Chucky just doesn't know where the truth begins. A Common problem with used car salesmen types.
Are you now ready to discuss your statements to me regarding AIMS? NG readers can decide for themselves who is being honest about those discussions.
Let's discuss.
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Skipper
"Starbuckaroo" coffeegrin...@columbia.com
Harry, Do you ever contribute anything of value in the NG?
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chuckgould.ch ...@gmail.com
those cousins are now dead, as are their parents. The one Indeed.
chuckgould.ch ...@gmail.com
I can't imagine why.
Here's what somebody who was actually present during the conversations Skipper and I had in Seattle reported, so see what you think.
JD's Survey Not so Powerful Chuck is an honest broker. Had I used him as my representative for a boat I'd seen before contacting him, he would have saved us ...
rec.boats - Oct 26 2001, 9:35 am by Skipper - 65 messages - 15 authors Here in the NG, we should discuss things posted to the NG. Not things that one side of a private conversation changes the story after five years or so and now claims were said.
For example: (the following incident never occured)...suppose I suddenly appeared in the group to report, "When Skipper was last in Seattle, he kept asking me if I knew anything about the Broadway District. He said he had heard that it was a great place to pick up underage boys willing to go down on fat old men for a little quick spending cash. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a paper that said, "For a good time, call so and so....." (etc, etc, you get the point).....
Psuedo, what the same crazy heck would be the point of arguing about that conversation in the NG? First, it was a private conversation between you and me. Second, with a total lack of evidence available on either side the "discussion" you call for would devolve into you said/did not you said/did not you said/did not etc.
If you think its suddenly your role in life to challenge my ethics, then do so with some incident or statement that is known to others in the NG- not a "Gould said this, and in spite of my previous statements to the contrary you'll now have to take my word for it..." bag of BS.
The only real record I have of anything Skipper or I said during or about our meetings is the statement posted some time after our 2nd meeting in Seattle.
Let's see, how does that go again....oh, yeah.......
JD's Survey Not so Powerful Chuck is an honest broker. Had I used him as my representative for a boat I'd seen before contacting him, he would have saved us ...
rec.boats - Oct 26 2001, 9:35 am by Skipper - 65 messages - 15 authors GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course).
PocoLoco PocoLoco...@hotmail.com
You sure this isn't Harry stalking you? Sure sounds like his behavior, 'stalking a person from thread to thread to lob disruptive insults'!
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John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan
" *JimH*" m...@aol.com
I have caught up on what you have written since I have left over a week ago.
I see you still perpetuate the lies about me, including the fact that continue to claim that you apologized to me for your whopper of a lie about me.
But how fun it is to see you twist and turn like this Chuckles. It seems that Old Skipper has struck a raw nerve and is about to uncover you for the pathetic person you really are.
PS. I am still waiting to see the *attack post* you accused me of writing about you. I am also still waiting for a real apology from you for your lies about me.
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