HAHA - Noelle caught with cocaine at REHAB center
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riemann1 ...@yahoo.com (Pride of America)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/806038.asp?0dm=N18PN Not only a druggie but a very stupid one like all bushes. According to the article, possession of C in any amount is a felony so maybe it's about time she went to prison like would have happened long ago if she was anyone else. Not likely. She'll get special treatment just like uncle george did with his DUI and aunt laura when she killed her ex-lover.
Lars Eighner eigh...@io.com
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zzd ...@netzero.net (z.z.)
Indeed; with all the scandals going on...the Child Welfare debacle, the oil rigs in the Gulf and now this, I think it's safe to say that the only thing that could even -remotely- save him would be a sympathetic vote with his ***ociation with Shrub, were a war to break out, and we all know how unlikely THAT is.
Oh, wait ......
never mind... :)
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"Brandon" Bran...@money.com
Why did we need a Constitutional Amendment to make alcohol illegal, yet they just created the drug "war" out of thin air?
Treason in the United States is defined in the Constitution as levying "war" against it. Since the United States is "the people" I would consider the war on drugs is war on the people and treason.
If there is no victim, then there is no crime. The police should only press charges when a victim is coerced or dead.
The people who falsely imprison people for drug crimes are the real felons.
"Pride of America" <riemann1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message ...
"Jim Kennemur" jek...@swbell.net
So you think the US would be a better place if everyone was a cokehead?
Make that a heavily armed cokehead.
Have you ever been around anyone addicted to Cocaine?
But then again you have an addiction yourself.
You are addicted to nonsensical gun blather.
Thats not what her Father and Uncle preach. They both made careers out of being tough on drugs and juvenile offenders.
Yet your NRA supports them both.
felons.
Streets full heavily armed cokeheads?
Brandon has an interesting vision of America.
Jim
na ...@mindspring.com
You've got my vote.
"Jerry Okamura" okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com
Certain drugs were made illegal, as soon as the powers to be discovered its effect on people, but it was never distributed in this country on a big scale (by the way, it was also accompanied by distributing a lot of false information about what it does to people). Congress made alcohol illegal by p***ing the 18th Amendment, because by that time, it was a widely sold commerical product. Which they then reversed, with another Amendment (forgot the number).
Interesting interpretation.
Hmmm, another interesting point. Let's see, when someone steals from you, no one was coerced or died, so I guess by that reasoning, there is no crime.
No one was coerced or died (other than that executive who committed suicide) as a result of Enron, so no crime was committed. Martha Stewart, if she did trade on insider inforamtion did not commit a crime because no one was coerced or dead. I think, your statement is an over simplification of why we have laws on the books.
I personally think the so-called war on drugs is the wrong policy, as well as the fact that certain drugs are illegal. But I always come back to one thought. Would there even be widespread support on this so-called war on drugs, or all of the laws that prevent people from using drugs, if people would just use drugs responsibly?
"Lady Taker" Vol...@aol.comBV1
Oh, I just bet he has.
Volfie (just a hunch)
"Brandon" Bran...@money.com
Not just Congress. Amendments to the Constitution must also be ratified by 3/4ths of the State Legislatures.
Corporations have to be regulated. They have a lot of money and a lot of responsibility. As do people trading in the stock market. There are a few other cases where there is no victim and yet the police should still charge, for instance hunting endangerd species perhaps. But on the whole, you get my point. The Police shouldn't be charging people with crimes except to protect a victim. If a victim seems unable to fend for themselves, then the police should press charges. If someone steal from you and you don't want to press charges, why should the police? The offense is against you, not against society....
How do we know that they wouldn't? Most drugs shouldn't even be used, however drug dealers don't exactly educate people on the harmful side effects of the drugs they're selling. Legalization would give us control of drugs, allow us to require information to be included on the harmful side effects and about treatment centers, allow us to ensure the purity of the drugs, keep them from being pedalled to children, get rid of the crime like prohibition, and allow us to tax them.
It has to be tested though. Drug really aren't good for people, although anyone who claims a right to use drugs has a right to use drugs (most druggies aren't thinking much about this). We don't want everyone to start using drugs, but I think the drug war causes far more problems then it solves. And putting people in prison for using, selling, or buying drugs outrages me.
"Brandon" Bran...@money.com
Why should the police press charges in any of these cases if the victim does not want to?
"What" asdxxqrasdsdfd...@dflakzxxxdjfasdkfjhasd.hj
CourtTV.Com has a story (plus links to scans of the police report on SmokingGun.Com). This is her second violation since going into the treatment (the original charge was for the Xanax, but there's been an additional prescription pill violation since then). It appears workers at the rehab place found the 2 grams of coke and called police. Initially, the workers were cooperative until their boss found out what had happened and ordered them to stop cooperating with police. One of the workers had just finished writing a sworn statement but tore it up after the supervisor got into the situation. Currently it appears there will be no charges against the presidunce's niece because the workers won't cooperate. If you ask me, it sounds like they need to be charged with obstructing justice.
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"Brandon" Bran...@money.com
It seems your 'war on drugs' has gotten us just that.
"TGO" gobro...@null.com
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:25:18 GMT, "Jerry Okamura" most drug users do.
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na ...@mindspring.com
My mistake, I misread your post.
nanlee ...@hotmail.com (nan)
What, pray tell, is the anticipated level of "responsibly using" addictive drugs, such as heroin and rock cocaine, by parents of children? Should we have Drug Cafes opened only for Happy Hours and TGIF? Reality is consequence.
Regards, from Nan
yaffaDina yaffaDi...@netscape.net
Well, the supervisor certainly does. What are the chances?
yD
"Jim Kennemur" jek...@swbell.net
Its a double jeopardy situation. Nicolle is on probation.
The judge in the case gets first crack at her.
Here are the details: Noelle Bush Not Charged Because of Double Jeopardy Question Broward Liston, Reuters, September 10, 2002 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=10&u=... 20910/ts_nm/crime_bush_drugs_dc ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) -Noelle Bush, the daughter of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and a niece of President Bush, was under investigation on Tuesday for cocaine possession while attending a drug treatment center, Orlando police said.
Noelle Bush, 25, has had several brushes with the law over drugs this year and is serving a mandatory term at a drug rehabilitation center in Orlando.
Police were called to the center on Monday evening to investigate a complaint that Noelle Bush "was in possession of two grams of a small, white rock substance" and a field test showed it was cocaine, spokesman Sgt.
Orlando Rolon said.
The matter remained under investigation and Noelle Bush has not been charged. Rolon said she might not face charges if the judge overseeing her case decided to intervene.
Noelle Bush spent three days in jail in July after violating the terms of a drug treatment program. The treatment was ordered after she was arrested in the state capital Tallah***ee in January for allegedly trying to buy the anti-anxiety drug Xanax using a false prescription.
"In this case I'm not a governor, I'm a dad," her father told reporters in Orlando, where he attended a meeting on domestic security in the state.
"All I can do is pray. She needs to change. She needs to accept responsibility, she knows we love her." Bush, who is campaigning for re-election, also asked for privacy for his family at a difficult time. "The road to recovery is a rocky one for a lot of people who have this kind of problem." Rolon said that Florida Judge Reginald Whitehead was likely to review the Noelle Bush matter sometime in the next few days, and if he decides to intervene, that would effectively end the criminal investigation.
A regular appearance by Noelle Bush before the judge was scheduled for Friday afternoon and Whitehead could decide what to do then.
"If he chooses to act, the police investigation would just create a double jeopardy situation," Rolon said.
That could explain why nobody at the Center For Drug Free Living in Orlando would sign a sworn statement that Bush had been in possession of the cocaine.
"If officers had gotten a sworn, written statement, that would have provided the probable cause needed to make an arrest. That was not the case," said Rolon.
A worker at the center who declined to be identified said the center was required by law to report discovery of the cocaine, but the institution's policy was to handle violations in-house whenever possible.
Until the judge makes his decision, police will continue their investigation, Rolon said. Investigators plan to re-interview night-shift employees of the center who were on duty when the cocaine was discovered.
The incident came as Florida Democrats voted in a primary on Tuesday to pick who will run against Jeb Bush in the November election. The front-runners in the Democratic primary are Janet Reno, who was U.S. Attorney General in the Clinton administration, and Tampa lawyer Bill McBride.
Asked about Noelle Bush after casting his vote near Tampa, McBride told Reuters that her problems were not a political issue. "I'm a parent, and all parents share same concerns and love. I pray with him (Gov. Bush) and his family that everything turns out OK," he said.
Susan MacManus, a political science professor at the University of South Florida, predicted Democrats would continue to steer clear of Noelle Bush's problems, since it would be "conduct unbecoming" to do so.
"It may be that people want the governor defeated, but they don't wish him ill," she said. "Making political gain out of somebody's substance abuse is dangerous politics." =============================================== ...
nanlee ...@hotmail.com (nan)
> Treason in the United States is defined in the Constitution as levying "war"
> against it. Since the United States is "the people" I would consider the
> war on drugs is war on the people and treason.
> If there is no victim, then there is no crime. The police should only press
> charges when a victim is coerced or dead.
> The people who falsely imprison people for drug crimes are the real felons.
http://www.poppies.org/forum/DCForumID27/39.html
nanlee ...@hotmail.com (nan)
A look back in history from www.drugs.uta.ed/laudanum ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ VICTORIANS and LAUDANUM (Opium) Laudanum - Paracelsus Famed "opium-eaters" such as Thomas DeQuincey were actually consuming laudanum, a mixture of alcohol and opium derivatives. Laudanum was introduced to Western therapeutics by Paracelsus in the sixteenth century. In the seventeenth century, English physician Syndenham recommended its use for relief of pain, sleeplessness and diarrhea. It became an important remedy advocated by Western medical discourses. In the nineteenth century, laudanum was often used to relieve the pain of injured soldiers and was a common item included in the medicine kits of many "proper" Victorian families.
Charles Dickens Because of its easy, inconspicuous consumption, many Victorian writers and artists chose to satisfy their "yens" for opium by taking it in the laudanum form. In this way they could develop a private, discrete habit rather than sharing their vice with strangers at opium dens, where the drug was smoked by p***ing pipes from one user to another.
Elizabeth Barrett Browning began swallowing laudanum to treat her childhood spinal tuberculosis and became a lifelong addict, even suffering from a miscarriage due to her abuse of the substance. But the drug also provided a source of poetic inspiration. Letters exchanged between Elizabeth and Robert Browning are filled with images of scarlet poppies, alluding to Elizabeth's laudanum addiction.
Dante Gabriel Rossetti's wife, lesser-known poet Elizabeth Siddal, died of a laudanum overdose. Other Victorian literary users included novelists Charles Dickens and Wilkie Collins.
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Eric Johnson er...@xs4all.nl
Then there is a victim Se above offset about there being a victim. To ***ume he meant a death or injury is silly and you know it.
To the extent that many people made bad investmentv decisions within their 401k's, no, there was no victim.
When or if these people were told to buy buy buy by their managmenent, and they did to an extent greater than 4% of their total ***ets, there is no victim. There is bad decision making and an excellent example of the nature of risk.
To the extent that there was a hold put on the ability of people to sell the stock within their 401k, and this was/is allowed by law, this should be changed: Mamagement should not be allowed to restrict trades within a person's prvate 401k, even if it involves company stock.
If this action by management was illegal, prosecute! Arent there some who have been arrested already?
If illegal trades or rumors were made with information known only to management, prosecute! Arent there some who have been arrested already?
Otherwise, one is responsible for one's own retirement Martha Stewart, if she did See above discussion of crime and responsiblity.
I think, your statement is an over simplification of why We have too many laws, and these laws create loopholes for those who you would say are criminals.
Because you realize that these are crimes against the state, or political crimes, which is one thing the US supposedly exists to fight.The state cannot be a victim. How is it hurt if one smokes pot?
But I always come back to one This is a war of ideology where one side,the state, using the DARE program and other propaganda vehicles has made use and abuse equal. In fact, if you speak to a recent dare graduate, there is no use, only abuse of illegal drugs.
"Jeff Strickland" CRWLRJ...@YAHOO.COM
Technically, we don't need a constitutional amendment to make alcohol illegal so it has been repealed.
The government can not commit treason, only the populous can do that. The government can, but shall not, impose unpopular acts upon its citizens, but when the citizens themselves commit acts against the government, then we have an instance of treason.
While I tend to agree that ignorance is no excuse for a law, drug addicts support a wide variety of groups that are openly hostile to the USA.
What this country needs is a good Death Penalty law.
Jeffrey Davis res09...@alltel.net
What a genuinely peculiar idea. Very anti-American, too.
px ...@cadence.com (Pete nospam Zakel)
The only good death penalty law is a dead death penalty law.
In other words, I'm against the death penalty -- primarily because it is irreversible in the case that the person convicted is later exonerated, which does happen in a certain number of cases, and has been happening even more often with the availability of genetic testing.
-Pete Zakel (p...@seeheader.nospam) Furbling, v.: Having to wander through a maze of ropes at an airport or bank even when you are the only person in line.
-Rich Hall, "Sniglets"
"Jeff Strickland" CRWLRJ...@YAHOO.COM
Yeah, you're right, just because a citizen speaks out or acts against the governemtn is not necessarily treason. It takes an act along these lines to be treason, but this is not necessarily a treasonous act. Sorry ...
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