Places Where Mountain Biking Is Banned
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Mike Vandeman mjva...@pacbell.net
For your information, here is a list of 51 places currently closed to mountain biking - although this is not meant to be all inclusive list, this is what has been found on the Internet as of 11-1-02. Please send me any corrections or additions. Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> Annadel State Park (All but one trail are multi-use), CSP, Sonoma County Big Basin State Park (bikes permitted on fire roads only), CSP, Santa Cruz County Bolinas Lagoon Preserve, Audubon Canyon Ranch, Marin County (no bikes on trails) Butano State Park (bikes permitted on fire roads only), CSP, San Mateo County Calero County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, Santa Clara County Castle Rock State Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), CSP, Santa Cruz County China Camp State Park (All shared use trails designed and constructed to be shared use) Chino Hills State Park (5 trails closed to mtn bikes, speed enforcement on others) City of Boulder Open Space District (most trails closed to bikes in 1987) Coal Mine Ridge, Portola Ranch Homeowner's ***ociation, San Mateo County Crescent Trail , Fairport New York (trail closed to mountain bikes after 1 year experiment) East Bay Municipal Utility District watershed lands (no bikes permitted except on pavement) East Bay Regional Park District (no bikes permitted on narrow hiking trails, except one connector between two park sections in Pleasanton Ridge Regional Park) El Corte de Madera Open Space Preserve (All trails but the short path to the Tafoni are multi-use), MROSD, San Mateo County Fall Creek Unit, Henry Cowell State Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), CSP, Santa Cruz County Grant County Park (Most trails are multi-use. A few are closed to cyclists, and a handful are hiking-only. Some illegally cut bike trails), SCCP, Santa Clara County Hidden Villa, Santa Clara County (No bicycles are permitted. Most trails are signed hiking only, but a few permit equestrian use) Huckleberry Botanic Regional Preserve (no bikes permitted on any trails), EBRPD, Contra Costa County Indian Tree Open Space Preserve (bikes are permitted only one trail; others restricted), MCOSD, Marin County Inyo National Forest, Forest Service (lot of trails open to bikes, but where hiker usage is heavy they are excluded even outside of wilderness) Junipero Serra County Park (bikes only permitted on park roads; no bikes on trails), SMCPD, San Mateo County La Honda Open Space Preserve (No bikes, horses, or dogs are permitted), MROSD, San Mateo County Loch Lomond Recreation Area (No bikes or horses), City of Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz County Los Trancos Open Space Preserve (No bikes. No dogs), MROSD, San Mateo County Los Vaqueros Watershed (no bikes permitted at the County Line Staging Area, south end of the watershed), CCWD, Contra Costa County Marin Municipal Water District MMWD , Mt. Tamalpais (130 miles of hiking trails not open to bikes 90 miles of fire roads open to bikes) Maurice Thorner Memorial Open Space Preserve (no bikes permitted on the preserve's trail), MCOSD, Marin County McNee Ranch State Park (Most trails are multi-use. Two trails are designated hiking only.), CSP, San Mateo County Middlesex Fells Reservation M***achusetts (some hiking only trails - Orange, Blue and White) Miller/Knox Regional Shoreline (no bikes permitted on the trails in the park's eastern section), EBRPD, Contra Costa County Monterey County Regional Parks (bikes are tightly controlled, being excluded from many trails and having their own trails in some cases) Mount Madonna County Park (no bikes on park trails), SCCP, Santa Clara County Muir Woods National Monument (no bikes permitted on any trails), MWNM, Marin County Napa River Ecological Reserve (no bikes permitted), California Department of Fish and Game, Napa County Olompali State Historic Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), CSP, Marin County Palomarin Trailhead (no bikes south of Wildcat Camp), PRNS, Marin County Palos Forest Preserve Illinois (dirt with a gray marker, it's open - all other trails closed to bikes) Pichetti Ranch Open Space Preserve (No bikes, no dogs), MROSD, Santa Clara County Pulgas Ridge Open Space Preserve (No bikes or horses), MRSOD, San Mateo County Portola Redwoods State Park (allowed on paved roads only), CSP, San Mateo County Rush Ranch Open Space Preserve (no bikes permitted on any trails), Solano Land Trust, Solano County Sanborn-Skyline County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, Santa Clara County Soquel Demonstration State Forest (Trails are multi-use), California Department of Forestry, Santa Cruz County Thornewood Open Space Preserve (no bikes permitted on the one trail), MROSD, San Mateo County Tomales Bay State Park, CSP, Marin County (no bikes on trails, bikes ok on paved park road) Tomales Point Trailhead, Point Reyes National Seashore (no bikes on the trail).
Uvas Canyon County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, Santa Clara County Villa Montalvo County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, Santa Clara County Westwood Hills Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), City of Napa Parks and Recreation Wilder Ranch State Park (All trails are multi-use, except for the path on the south side of Highway 1, which is closed to equestrians), CSP, Santa Cruz County Wunderlich County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SMCPD, San Mateo County Yosemite National Park (bicycles on paved roads and paved trails only) CCWD=Contra Costa Water District CSP=California State Parks EBRPD=East Bay Regional Park District MCOSD=Marin County Open Space District MROSD=Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District MWNM=Muir Woods National Monument PRNS=Point Reyes National Seashore SCCP=Santa Clara County Parks SMCPD=San Mateo County Parks Department These are just places in this country.
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"John Burton" jbur...@xmission.com
Are you just interested in California? Are you just interested in mt. bikes, or also in places where no one can go at all?
John
"Jeff Strickland" CRWLRJ...@YAHOO.COM
He is only interested in California. Particularly, his interest is in places where he goes. His agenda is to secure a pleasant day for himself, he has very little interest in environmental issues, but siting them helps his cause to go on a walk with out being bothered by other people.
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michae ...@yahoo.com (Michael Silver)
No wonder you have no girlfriend (or boyfriend)!!!
...Michael...
mtb_o ...@softhome.net (Dennis Baker)
Ok I promised not to respond to MV's crap but this list is utter BS.
I can't address every site, but I know for a fact that mountain biking is not "Banned" or closed at many of these places.
I have been here and ridden more than 10 miles of MTB trails here.
Mostly fireroads, but there are some fun climbs.
This is BS, there are several areas in EBMUB where Mountain biking is permitted. For example there are miles of trails on Lake Chabot that are open to bikes.
I don't know what this means, there are over 20 MILES of trails on Pleasanton ridge which are accessible to mountain bikes.
Again, WTF there are a FEW places at ECdM that are closed to bikes but the majority of the trails are open (And very fun).
Again, many miles available to bikes, plus connector trails to Round Valley Regional Preserve, and Morgan Territory Regional Preserve.
I haven't ridden here, but I have heard there are many miles of excellent MTB Trails here.
There are a couple of fun places to ride at Point Reyes, there is one ride from the Bay View trailhead to Mount Vision that is particularly fun.
Many, Many Miles of excellent singletrack and multi use trails here.
Based on your trail of misinformation regarding the places which I have personally ridden I question the validity of any of the information on this post.
"ken" eauctionsREMOVEOBVIOUSbarga...@REMOVETHIShotmail.com
lol - with mikey its more a case of you dont have to bother reading his posts to be able to question the validity.
He is fun tho, but can wind people up, and does cause stress. Maybe he works for a anti-depressant firm, i personally think he needs some.
But i would advise him to see a real doctor ;) ...
Department of Forestry, Santa Cruz County
Mike Vandeman mjva...@pacbell.net
.Ok I promised not to respond to MV's crap but this list is utter BS.
.I can't address every site, but I know for a fact that mountain biking .is not "Banned" or closed at many of these places.
Where's the EVIDENCE?
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.> For your information, here is a list of 51 places currently closed to mountain .> biking - although this is not meant to be all inclusive list, this is what has .> been found on the Internet as of 11-1-02. Please send me any corrections or .> additions. Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> .
.> Chino Hills State Park (5 trails closed to mtn bikes, speed enforcement on .> others) .I have been here and ridden more than 10 miles of MTB trails here.
.Mostly fireroads, but there are some fun climbs.
That doesn't contradict what I said. READ.
.> East Bay Municipal Utility District watershed lands (no bikes permitted except on pavement) .This is BS, there are several areas in EBMUB where Mountain biking is .permitted. For example there are miles of trails on Lake Chabot that .are open to bikes.
That's not EBMUD watershed. That's an EBRPD park. DUH!
.> East Bay Regional Park District (no bikes permitted on narrow hiking trails, .> except one connector between two park sections in Pleasanton Ridge Regional .> Park) .
.I don't know what this means, there are over 20 MILES of trails on .Pleasanton ridge which are accessible to mountain bikes.
READ what I said.
.> El Corte de Madera Open Space Preserve (All trails but the short path to the .> Tafoni are multi-use), MROSD, San Mateo County .
.Again, WTF there are a FEW places at ECdM that are closed to bikes but .the majority of the trails are open (And very fun).
READ.
.> Los Vaqueros Watershed (no bikes permitted at the County Line Staging Area, .> south end of the watershed), CCWD, Contra Costa County .
.Again, many miles available to bikes, plus connector trails to Round .Valley Regional Preserve, and Morgan Territory Regional Preserve.
READ.
.> Tomales Point Trailhead, Point Reyes National Seashore (no bikes on the trail).
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.There are a couple of fun places to ride at Point Reyes, there is one .ride from the Bay View trailhead to Mount Vision that is particularly .fun.
READ.
.> Wilder Ranch State Park (All trails are multi-use, except for the path on the .> south side of Highway 1, which is closed to equestrians), CSP, Santa Cruz County .
.Many, Many Miles of excellent singletrack and multi use trails here.
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.Based on your trail of misinformation regarding the places which I .have personally ridden I question the validity of any of the .information on this post.
You didn't read what I wrote. You didn't contradict ANYTHING I said!
=== I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
Mike Vandeman mjva...@pacbell.net
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:14:07 -0000, "ken" .lol - with mikey its more a case of you dont have to bother reading his .posts to be able to question the validity.
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.He is fun tho, but can wind people up, and does cause stress. Maybe he works .for a anti-depressant firm, i personally think he needs some.
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.But i would advise him to see a real doctor ;) Why? I AM a doctor! :) ....
.> Ok I promised not to respond to MV's crap but this list is utter BS.
.> I can't address every site, but I know for a fact that mountain biking .> is not "Banned" or closed at many of these places.
.> .> Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message .> .> > For your information, here is a list of 51 places currently closed to .mountain .> > biking - although this is not meant to be all inclusive list, this is .what has .> > been found on the Internet as of 11-1-02. Please send me any corrections .or .> > additions. Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> .> .> > Chino Hills State Park (5 trails closed to mtn bikes, speed enforcement .on .> > others) .> I have been here and ridden more than 10 miles of MTB trails here.
.> Mostly fireroads, but there are some fun climbs.
.> .> > East Bay Municipal Utility District watershed lands (no bikes permitted .except on pavement) .> This is BS, there are several areas in EBMUB where Mountain biking is .> permitted. For example there are miles of trails on Lake Chabot that .> are open to bikes.
.> .> > East Bay Regional Park District (no bikes permitted on narrow hiking .trails, .> > except one connector between two park sections in Pleasanton Ridge .Regional .> > Park) .> .> I don't know what this means, there are over 20 MILES of trails on .> Pleasanton ridge which are accessible to mountain bikes.
.> .> > El Corte de Madera Open Space Preserve (All trails but the short path .to the .> > Tafoni are multi-use), MROSD, San Mateo County .> .> Again, WTF there are a FEW places at ECdM that are closed to bikes but .> the majority of the trails are open (And very fun).
.> .> > Los Vaqueros Watershed (no bikes permitted at the County Line Staging .Area, .> > south end of the watershed), CCWD, Contra Costa County .> .> Again, many miles available to bikes, plus connector trails to Round .> Valley Regional Preserve, and Morgan Territory Regional Preserve.
.> .> > Soquel Demonstration State Forest (Trails are multi-use), California .Department of Forestry, Santa Cruz County .> .> I haven't ridden here, but I have heard there are many miles of .> excellent MTB Trails here.
.> .> > Tomales Point Trailhead, Point Reyes National Seashore (no bikes on the .trail).
.> .> There are a couple of fun places to ride at Point Reyes, there is one .> ride from the Bay View trailhead to Mount Vision that is particularly .> fun.
.> .> > Wilder Ranch State Park (All trails are multi-use, except for the path .on the .> > south side of Highway 1, which is closed to equestrians), CSP, Santa .Cruz County .> .> Many, Many Miles of excellent singletrack and multi use trails here.
.> .> Based on your trail of misinformation regarding the places which I .> have personally ridden I question the validity of any of the .> information on this post.
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=== I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
mtb_o ...@softhome.net (Dennis Baker)
Limited and Banned are completely different words with different definitions. You spoke of many places where cycling is LIMITED to specific trails, but your subject stated Places where Mountain Biking is BANNED. There is a HUGE difference between the two. For example if cycling was banned in Chino Hills State Park the ranger at the gate wouldn't point out the miles of cycling trails there.
"Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)" Ban Ban, v. t. imp. & p. p. Banned (?); p. pr. & vb. n.
Banning. OE. bannen, bannien, to summon, curse, AS.
bannan to summon; akin to Dan. bande, forbande, to curse, Sw.
banna to revile, bannas to curse. See Ban an edict, and cf.
Banish.
1. To curse; to invoke evil upon. --Sir W. Scott.
2. To forbid; to interdict. --Byron.
-- The Ogre
"Michael Paul" mp...@san.rr.com
I believe that the advisement was to see a MEDICAL DOCTOR of which you most clearly are not. You are a PhD by title but as many a peson in academia knows, to achieve the title of PhD does not necessarily require one to have intelligence but merely to be able to spew data one acquired from reading books.
"Sorni" so...@biteme.san.rr.com
SPEAKING of books, schoolboy, shouldn't you be doing your homework instead of feeding the troll?!?
Bill "if you got time to bait the limp master you got time to ride" S.
beelzebu ...@hotmail.com (Spider)
Hmmm, again a poor choice of words, right? Most of these places are not "closed," but do have MTB restrictions in places.
Heh. An easy refutation - try again?
Spider, 5-0
bicy ...@charter.net (R.White)
Mike ignored this because he was caught LYING.
You wrote "Mountain biking is one of the main reasons that humans are crawling over every square inch of the county" Nothing about parks.
You wrote "EVERY SQUARE INCH". YOU are the liar and this is the proof.
"Jeff Strickland" cr...@yahoo.com
Places Where Mountain Biking is Banned ...
This is misinformation at best, and an outright lie at worst. The very first location listed, Annadel State Park, lists all trails as multi use, except one. This is not a ban.
Another on the list is China Camp, where all trails are designed and constructed as shared use. This is not a ban.
The truth is that there are 34 sites with No Bike rules -- and three of these are not clear if the restriction is limited to certain trails or the entire park -- and 14 that allow bikes. If you are going to make an argument, at least be factual and do not lie. There is nothing worse than a lying environmentalist.
"BANNED SITES" (this list includes sites where bikes are restricted to paved roads. since nobody wants to ride on the road, being restricted to pavement is the same as a ban.) *These sites seem to allow bikes in other areas, but it is not clear that this is true or not.
"REGULATED SITES" These sites allow bikes on trails. There may be restrictions and regulations, but bikes are allowed.
that is closed to horses) ...
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BB bbauerAtit...@gomen.org
Of course there is. Serial killers, slash-and-burn agriculture, WAR...
there are all sorts of things worse than a lying environmentalist (or mountain biking, for that matter). You guys are arguing over trivialities, and there comes a point where its just pathetic that this is where you have decided to invest your time. Vandeman p***ed that point many years ago. You're getting close.
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-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
"Michael Paul" mp...@san.rr.com
It only takes 30 seconds to make a post that won't get a response but 2 hours or more to gear up for a ride. we're on for tomorrow night though that's a given.
Michael
michae ...@yahoo.com (Michael Silver)
HAHAHA, Mikey isn't doing so well. At this rate he may stop responding to you. ...Michael...
Mike Vandeman mjva...@pacbell.net
.> On 4 Nov 2002 11:15:05 -0800, mtb_o...@softhome.net (Dennis Baker) wrote: .> .> .Ok I promised not to respond to MV's crap but this list is utter BS.
.> .I can't address every site, but I know for a fact that mountain biking .> .is not "Banned" or closed at many of these places.
.> .> Where's the EVIDENCE?
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.Posted at every trailhead that I have ridden. If you would like we .can hook up and I will read the signs for you.
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.> .> Chino Hills State Park (5 trails closed to mtn bikes, speed enforcement on .> .> others) .> .I have been here and ridden more than 10 miles of MTB trails here.
.> .Mostly fireroads, but there are some fun climbs.
.> .> That doesn't contradict what I said. READ.
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.Limited and Banned are completely different words with different .definitions. You spoke of many places where cycling is LIMITED to .specific trails, but your subject stated Places where Mountain Biking .is BANNED. There is a HUGE difference between the two.
BS. Being banned from a trail = restricted access. DUH! You guys are hopeless.
=== I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
Mike Vandeman mjva...@pacbell.net
.> On 4 Nov 2002 11:15:05 -0800, mtb_o...@softhome.net (Dennis Baker) wrote: .> .> .Ok I promised not to respond to MV's crap but this list is utter BS.
.> .I can't address every site, but I know for a fact that mountain biking .> .is not "Banned" or closed at many of these places.
.> .> Where's the EVIDENCE?
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.From m-w.com: .
.1 archaic : CURSE .2 : to prohibit especially by legal means <ban discrimination>; also : .to prohibit the use, performance, or distribution of <ban a book> <ban .a pesticide> .
.Some of the placed you listed have RESTRICTIONS on MTBing, but do not .have outright bans. Maybe I should be charitable and say that your .word choice was inadvertant? LOL!
Banning bikes from a trail = a biking restriction. DUH! This is like shooting fish in a barrel, you guys are so easy.
=== I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
Mike Vandeman mjva...@pacbell.net
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.> For your information, here is a list of 51 places currently closed to .mountain .> biking - although this is not meant to be all inclusive list, this is what .has .> been found on the Internet as of 11-1-02. Please send me any corrections .or .> additions. Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> .> .> Annadel State Park (All but one trail are multi-use), CSP, Sonoma County .> Big Basin State Park (bikes permitted on fire roads only), CSP, Santa .Cruz .> County .> Bolinas Lagoon Preserve, Audubon Canyon Ranch, Marin County (no bikes on .> trails) .> Butano State Park (bikes permitted on fire roads only), CSP, San Mateo .County .> Calero County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, Santa Clara .County .> Castle Rock State Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), CSP, Santa .Cruz .> County .> China Camp State Park (All shared use trails designed and constructed to .be .> shared use) .> Chino Hills State Park (5 trails closed to mtn bikes, speed enforcement .on .> others) .> City of Boulder Open Space District (most trails closed to bikes in 1987) .> Coal Mine Ridge, Portola Ranch Homeowner's ***ociation, San Mateo County .> Crescent Trail , Fairport New York (trail closed to mountain bikes after .1 year .> experiment) .> East Bay Municipal Utility District watershed lands (no bikes permitted .except .> on pavement) .> East Bay Regional Park District (no bikes permitted on narrow hiking .trails, .> except one connector between two park sections in Pleasanton Ridge .Regional .> Park) .> El Corte de Madera Open Space Preserve (All trails but the short path to .the .> Tafoni are multi-use), MROSD, San Mateo County .> Fall Creek Unit, Henry Cowell State Park (no bikes permitted on any .trails), .> CSP, Santa Cruz County .> Grant County Park (Most trails are multi-use. A few are closed to .cyclists, and .> a handful are hiking-only. Some illegally cut bike trails), .> SCCP, Santa Clara County .> Hidden Villa, Santa Clara County (No bicycles are permitted. Most trails .are .> signed hiking only, but a few permit equestrian use) .> Huckleberry Botanic Regional Preserve (no bikes permitted on any trails), .> EBRPD, Contra Costa County .> Indian Tree Open Space Preserve (bikes are permitted only one trail; .others .> restricted), MCOSD, Marin County .> Inyo National Forest, Forest Service (lot of trails open to bikes, but .where .> hiker usage is heavy they are excluded even outside of wilderness) .> Junipero Serra County Park (bikes only permitted on park roads; no bikes .on .> trails), SMCPD, San Mateo County .> La Honda Open Space Preserve (No bikes, horses, or dogs are permitted), .MROSD, .> San Mateo County .> Loch Lomond Recreation Area (No bikes or horses), City of Santa Cruz, .Santa .> Cruz County .> Los Trancos Open Space Preserve (No bikes. No dogs), MROSD, San Mateo .County .> Los Vaqueros Watershed (no bikes permitted at the County Line Staging .Area, .> south end of the watershed), CCWD, Contra Costa County .> Marin Municipal Water District MMWD , Mt. Tamalpais (130 miles of hiking .trails .> not open to bikes 90 miles of fire roads open to bikes) .> Maurice Thorner Memorial Open Space Preserve (no bikes permitted on the .> preserve's trail), MCOSD, Marin County .> McNee Ranch State Park (Most trails are multi-use. Two trails are .designated .> hiking only.), CSP, San Mateo County .> Middlesex Fells Reservation M***achusetts (some hiking only trails -
.Orange, .> Blue and White) .> Miller/Knox Regional Shoreline (no bikes permitted on the trails in the .park's .> eastern section), EBRPD, Contra Costa County .> Monterey County Regional Parks (bikes are tightly controlled, being .excluded .> from many trails and having their own trails in some cases) .> Mount Madonna County Park (no bikes on park trails), SCCP, Santa Clara .County .> Muir Woods National Monument (no bikes permitted on any trails), MWNM, .Marin .> County .> Napa River Ecological Reserve (no bikes permitted), California Department .of .> Fish and Game, Napa County .> Olompali State Historic Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), CSP, .Marin .> County .> Palomarin Trailhead (no bikes south of Wildcat Camp), PRNS, Marin County .> Palos Forest Preserve Illinois (dirt with a gray marker, it's open - all .other .> trails closed to bikes) .> Pichetti Ranch Open Space Preserve (No bikes, no dogs), MROSD, Santa .Clara .> County .> Pulgas Ridge Open Space Preserve (No bikes or horses), MRSOD, San Mateo .County .> Portola Redwoods State Park (allowed on paved roads only), CSP, San Mateo .> County .> Rush Ranch Open Space Preserve (no bikes permitted on any trails), Solano .Land .> Trust, Solano County .> Sanborn-Skyline County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, .Santa .> Clara County .> Soquel Demonstration State Forest (Trails are multi-use), California .Department .> of Forestry, Santa Cruz County .> Thornewood Open Space Preserve (no bikes permitted on the one trail), .MROSD, .> San Mateo County .> Tomales Bay State Park, CSP, Marin County (no bikes on trails, bikes ok .on .> paved park road) .> Tomales Point Trailhead, Point Reyes National Seashore (no bikes on the .trail).
.> Uvas Canyon County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, Santa .Clara .> County .> Villa Montalvo County Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), SCCP, .Santa .> Clara County .> Westwood Hills Park (no bikes permitted on any trails), City of Napa .Parks and .> Recreation .> Wilder Ranch State Park (All trails are multi-use, except for the path on .the .> south side of Highway 1, which ...
"Michael Paul" mp...@san.rr.com
what color is the sky in your warped little world?
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"Michael Paul" mp...@san.rr.com
so once again by using your twisted logic you think you prove a point?
Point: moutain biking is banned from all of these parks listed below Fact: Mountain bikes have restricted access to SOME of the trails within these parks Using this logic, the following statement is true "Cars are only allowed to drive 15 miles per hour" becasue in some areas the speed limit most definately is 15 miles per hour but then of course it changes based on location or other restrictions.
For a PhD, you really aren't that smart are you? Idiot ...
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"Michael Paul" mp...@san.rr.com
This is perhaps the most compelling argument you've made that proves your an idiot and you don't actually think about what you write/say before you do it.
Let's analyze the situation. Mountain biking is banned in all of the parks listed below because access is restricted on some trails? Hmmmmmm, since even a hiker doesn't have free reign on all possible trails and/or property within the park then a hiker is also banned from each of the parks listed below.
Therefore, now follow closely because this is where it gets interesting..........
Mountain bikers are banned Mountain bikers say they aren't banned and are therefore labeled liars Mountain bikers ride even where allowed but damage the environment hikers are also banned (from logic already presented) Because hikers say they aren't banned they must be liars Dr. Dumb is a hiker Therefore (adn this is the best part of all) Dr. Dumb has just been proven to be a liar (something we all already knew but here's the proof) Go get yourself a new cat because everybody knows that cats are the lonely man's pet and try to actually put some thought into your statements next time. IT must suck being proved wrong by so many bikers in just one week but then, it probably sucks worse just being you anyway.
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beelzebu ...@hotmail.com (Spider)
That's very nice spin, and a good attempt at back-peddling.
Restriction <> ban, and we both know it. And so does everyone else, LOL!
Spider, 6-0
"Jeff Strickland" cr...@yahoo.com
Even if you accept that restricted use and an outright ban are remotely similar, how do you resolve the fact that there are 14 sites on your Banned List that have no ban?
You are lying and spreading misinformation. This is the sort of thing that calls all of the rest of your "facts" into question. If you are willing to misrepresent an issue so simple as a site list where bikes are and are not allowed, how can we be sure you don't misrepresent important information such as the impact that a bike might have on the habitat.
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