rank patches - sewing every 4 to 6 months
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"Phil Schuman" pschuman_NO_SPAM...@interserv.com
ok - kinda weird question - about sewing & wearing rank For some scouts that have been advancing right along, or maybe had "one" thing holding them back (swim test) which they finally got at this past summer camp -
Now they also have the req MB's & service, but need to wait out the time req for Star & close to MB's for Life -
How do you "handle": the task of wearing the rank patch, knowing it will change in another 4 months or so.....
1) One scout started using the plastic patch holder with button loop 2) One scout used finger loop of duck tape :) and just stuck it on 3) Some scouts finally agree to sew it on 4) Some don't wear any rank for awhile
jacqueu ...@aol.comekojon (Jacque Uler)
In our troop they have to be either sewn or put in place with fabric glue.
Our troop is pretty strict. Any scout arriving for a BOR for 1st cl*** and beyond is expected to have the correct patches sewn or glued in the correct place or their BOR is cancelled.
Victor Radin vradinNOS...@NOSPAMameritech.net
> For some scouts that have been advancing right along,
> or maybe had "one" thing holding them back (swim test)
> which they finally got at this past summer camp -
> Now they also have the req MB's & service,
> but need to wait out the time req for Star & close to MB's for Life -
> How do you "handle": the task of wearing the rank patch,
> knowing it will change in another 4 months or so.....
> 1) One scout started using the plastic patch holder with button loop
> 2) One scout used finger loop of duck tape :) and just stuck it on
> 3) Some scouts finally agree to sew it on
> 4) Some don't wear any rank for awhile Well, simply put- at 4 months that works out to 4 weekends of camping-
you DO go in uniform, right? Add on a weekly troop meting- another 16 times. Service project day? OA functions? etc... About 20 to 25 times that the scout should be in uniform. That should be a sufficient number of wearings that the patch should be adhered in some manner, if for no other reason that it doesn't get lost and need replacing (a scout is thrifty?) Personally, I sewed them on for my son, until he learned to do it himself. They didn't get lost, fall off, or go missing in the wash. For later ranks like star and above sewing is preferred- even if it's four quick baste-stitches to hold it in place. Earlier ranks which seem to go by much faster I've seen sewn-on, baste-stitch, plastic holders, and even staples.
In my opinion, it's an argument not worth fighting about. The rank patch must be worn- HOW it's attached shouldn't matter as much as the fact that it IS attached.
On the other hand- what about youth position patches? PL as a 4 to 6 month position- sew, staple, armband? SPL as 6-12 month- sewn or not?
Then again- adult position patch- commish, troop committee, pack committee, district something-or-other, camp staff? Different shirt for each position? Velcro? Snaps?
I say we just rivet the patches to the kid's forehead and be done with it. (for the humor impaired, that was a joke- unwad the skivvies)
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Anymouse20 ...@yahoo.com (Any Mouse)
Well, as someone who doesn't view sewing patches as that big of a deal, I don't see a problem. It takes maybe ten minutes after you get the thread and stuff together.
If a Scout shows up for a BOR without the proper rank patch affixed properly, we send him away.
The fundamental problem is . . .well there's two fundamental problems, the first is laziness on the part of the Scout or his parent and the other is lack of pride in appearance.
"Stephen M. Henning" pigh...@aol.com
Gee, we just give him a needle and thread, like they do in Wood Badge. The reason they do that in WB is to teach us what we should do in our troops.
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Dave LaVie david_la...@NOSPAMvalley.net
For my son, his pride in earning the rank meant we sewed it on that night. I'd let him stay up and we'd chat about his accomplishment. I could hand sew a rank patch in less than ten minutes. Of course last cort of honor he received 7 merit badges that he had earned over summer... sewing them made for a late night.
Its all about pride.
dave
Paul Johnson ba...@ursine.ca
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Hash: SHA1 The Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:10:55 GMT, Phil Schuman <pschuman_NO_SPAM...@interserv.com> wrote: Just sew it on. That covers your bases on keeping uniforms to regulation. And with a sewn on patch, the only time I've seen someone lose one has been a freak accident involving physical activity and grazing into a solid object (like a tree or the ground) at the right angle and enough force. Odds are you're going to brush yourself off and notice you're missing insignia and put it away in your pocket.
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Hash: SHA1 The 09 Dec 2003 16:15:58 GMT, Jacque Uler <jacqueu...@aol.comekojon> wrote: I'm thinking fabric glue has to be, to some extent, water soluable.
You can tell people around here who have recently made the fabric glue mistake because you can see where the glue was applied, but the insignia that's supposed to be stuck to it is nowhere to be found.
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Anymouse20 ...@yahoo.com (Any Mouse)
Are we supposed to sit around for an hour and a half while the kid figures out how to sew? Sorry, not in this lifetime. He can come back next week.
"Stephen M. Henning" pigh...@aol.com
The Scoutmaster gives the needle and thread to the boy at a meeting before he signs off the Scout spirit requirement. Nobody sits around except the Scout who is busily sewing his rank patch on his shirt. Then at the BOR there are no boys without their rank patch on their shirt.
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Tim Howard t...@prismatic.com
It seems to me that Scout Spirit would include having enough pride in one's uniform and accomplishments to have the correct patches in place prior to a Scout Master Conference for the next rank.
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"Stephen M. Henning" pigh...@aol.com
Following that logic, they shouldn't even come to meetings because they might do something they could do at home. You wouldn't believe what goes on in some of these boys homes. I had one boy who had to roam the streets until his mother's boy friend went home. Others work late and sleep through school. Sometimes a boys best efforts can't overcome some of the challenges they face. Many do Scouting things at Scout meetings. It seems like a good idea to me.
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Anymouse20 ...@yahoo.com (Any Mouse)
What if the Scout doesn't have his patch with him? Does the SM give him one of those as well?
wahowl ...@aol.com (WA Howland)
<<<We give our 2nd cl*** scouts a little sewing kit (hint hint) and remind the Mom not to do a job a boy can do....>>> I gave my boy his own "merit badge application kit" when he crossed into the troop. The first coupla ones wer a little raggedy, but he caught on quickly. He took his kit to summer camp, National Jamboree, and college, where he is now one of the few cadets who can actually sew on a button.
It's not rocket science. If they teach it to seventh grade girls, they can teach it to seventh grade boys.
MB application kit: Small tupperware or suchlike container, ours was rectangular about 3" x 5" x 3"--grocery store, coupla bucks All other contents except the magnet cheap at the sewing notions dept of your local big-box store Metal sewing machine bobbins wound with thread, one each red, green, yellow/gold, white, khaki, black, and blue. String bobbins on a piece of string.
Three needles, stuck into the bobbins of thread Small magnet with six or eight dressmaker's pins stuck to it Small folding scissors or (better) nippers (ask at the scissors display) Seam ripper (better than scissors for getting out mistakes & can be used for cutting thread, but so can your jack knife) 3-foot plastic measuring tape (or a mini-tape measure keychain from hardware) best AB
Anymouse20 ...@yahoo.com (Any Mouse)
Most of that stuff is not water soluable but there are other problems.
It doesn't adhere well to the plastic on the back of the patch. Also if it does stick, the heat of the dryer will cause the glue to loosen.
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