SUMMER CAMPS: PREDICTION GAME
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"sam1 ...@hetnet.nl" <sam1
They have announced they want nazi/communist style summer camps here to foster team-building (dont they mean nation-building ...ed) qualities.
I am against it naturally.
I would bet Glynn, Brown, frogbucket , hognoxious , solon and Diversity are for it Chris X, Dirk , Paris , rifleman, ian bailey , robert henderson and blue are against it.
abelard couldnt care less either way.
am i right ?
"Chris X" chri...@postmaster.co.uk
Correct !
Steven X Brown zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...@yahoo.com
You are against anything that makes sense of course.
What the **** are you on, Looney? Can I have some? I fancy a short break from reality.
You know them all so well of course.
No. You are wrong at all times. You are the personification of wrongness. Look in the dictionary (you might not know what one of those is, what with you being a teacher and all) under 'wrong' and there'll be a picture of you.
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"sam1 ...@hetnet.nl" <sam1
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:14:05 +0000 (UTC), Steven X Brown so I was right you are in favor of it. 2 out of 2.
Steven X Brown zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...@yahoo.com
Let me simplify things, yoghurt-knitter. If the likes of you are for something I'm against it. And vice versa (look it up, 'teacher boy').
Fair enough?
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"sam1 ...@hetnet.nl" <sam1
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:22:42 +0000 (UTC), Steven X Brown i believe you are very clever.
"Robin Carmody" ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk
Hey, what about me?
I'm against it, incidentally.
RC
Greg Hennessy m...@privacy.net
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:14:05 +0000 (UTC), Steven X Brown He really is away with the fairies this one.
greg
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"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" d...@neopax.com
Correct.
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Steven X Brown zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...@yahoo.com
It would help if he gave some background to his story. What IS he on about?
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"lefty" lefty90...@hotmail.com
No way! babelard is against it. His parents might send him to one.
Alan G m...@privacy.com
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:07:59 -0000, "Robin Carmody" You've been ignored like me cos we's bin too quiet lately :) For what it's worth I'm against this sort of compulsory school. We already have a good tradition of school camps teaching teamwork etc. I attended one as far back as 1961. My wife went to one run by Chris Bonington in the early 60s too. My son is involved with the local version of this taking disabled youngsters out to the LA school camp in the dales. We have no need to import an american idea when we have a UK scheme already in existence that just needs more funding.
Mike Mitchell kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
I am not against the idea! Far from it. I am all for advocating the return to National Service for all young adults between the ages of 18 and 25 as well. Perhaps with more of an emphasis on social interaction, discipline, and mutual respect rather than killing the enemy, since that is increasingly a computer-based "skill" anyway. But the big thing about National Service was that it threw together countless thousands of young men from all walks of life and they just had to learn to get on with each other. I believe it was largely a success.
As for these summer camps, I expect they will be an amazingly exciting proposition for many kids, who otherwise might have to spend the summer mooning around on the street or spending a boring family holiday at Clacton. The summer camps could give British children an experience that few have ever had. It is an excellent idea, and what is wrong with nation-building anyway? Far better, I should have thought, than nation-destroying, which Britain currently seems hell-bent on.
MM
"Baroness Edwina Frogbucket" edwina.frogbuc...@void.com
I dunno. 'They' or somebody, is going to run camps or something....I think....and we are for it..er yeh..right.
Got it now?
Me neither.
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Mike Mitchell kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:07:59 -0000, "Robin Carmody" Why on EARTH?!!
MM
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" d...@neopax.com
Because the various orgs already exist, from the Scouts to Woodcraftfolk (***uming they're still going).
The last thing we need is the state sticking its nose in at our expense (in more ways than one).
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Steven X Brown zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...@yahoo.com
I think his dreadlocks are knotted or something. ;-)
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"Robin Carmody" ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk
Because I don't share your view that it is the responsibility of the state to "improve" people's "behaviour". Indeed such ideas make me shudder, especially when expressed by the government or anyone else with power.
RC
"Robin Carmody" ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk
Thank you for revealing your love for a society in which the "abnormal" were ostracised.
People like *me* were the ones treated like shit back then - it was great for the happily "normal" like yourself, but it could be hell on earth for people like me, the ones who were born even slightly "different". That's why I'm personally offended by such remarks - it's my own kind you're trying to force into your stultifying mould.
RC
Mike Mitchell kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:37:21 -0000, "Robin Carmody" Utter nonsense. The camps are NOT mandatory! They're a choice. I suspect that the kids will want to attend in large numbers, once they see what is being organised for them, under supervision. They will come back full of stories to relate to their parents and peers (those who cannot go because the parents fear indoctrination), and become more open to other kids' foibles, while realising that kids from the North "talk" differently from those down south. These kinds of barriers will be blown away, as hopefully will religious and ethnic barriers as well.
Do you really think that with all the checks and balances of a modern society, the Govt of the day will be able to turn the camps idea into some kind of Hitler Youth movement? Oh, why am I bothering; you're mind is already fixed against it, isn't it? This is what I mean when I say how we in Britain only understand confrontation, not cooperation as in other countries.
MM
ianbai ...@orange.net (Ian Bailey)
The idea has some merit IF it could successfully fill the heads of our most socially-challenged young thugs with a bit of civic responsability.
Have you got a link?
Ian
"Steve Glynn" stevegl...@ntlworld.com
Not having psychic abilities, I can't really comment one way or the other, since I don't know what's proposed.
The brief account of the plans at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3272609.stm sounds as if the government want to make available summer camps similar to those already on offer by the private sector only at no or a minimal cost.
You're correct in your ***umption that I don't see anything objectionable in principle to either the government or the private sector offering properly run and supervised residential holiday activities for children to families who want to make use of them. Nor do I see anything objectionable in principle to the government making it possible for kids from poorer families to be able to take advantage of opportunities to spend a week doing music or sports or whatever rather than restricting these opportunities to the children of more wealthy families.
Were these camps Nazi/Soviet style, as you put it, I'd clearly object.
However, you are clearly better informed about them than am I, so I look forward to learning exactly how they are Nazi/Soviet in nature rather than like summer activity holidays anywhere else.
I fear, though, that we may be encountering the terms 'Nazi' and 'Soviet' in the specialised, 'Sam', useage, where they seem to be 'handy descriptions for anything Sam doesn't like'.
For example, many schools and youth clubs offer skiing trips for the pupils.
So did many Soviet schools and youth clubs. I wouldn't, though, describe a school skiing trip as an inherently Soviet institution, any more than I would so describe a school choir or a school soccer team, even though those were undoubtedly also features of both Nazi and Soviet schools, just as were maths lessons.
Steve
"Steve Glynn" stevegl...@ntlworld.com
But i) it doesn't appear that anyone's proposing that it should be compulsory; and ii) that what's proposed sounds very much like an extension, funded by National Lottery money, of what already exists.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3272609.stm Steve
"Steve Glynn" stevegl...@ntlworld.com
And the proposition that the purpose of these summer camps is 'to "improve" people's "behaviour"' is a quote from whom other than one Robin Carmodey?
It might well be a side-effect, since it'll both keep kids out of trouble and give them a bit of experience of living, and having learn how to cooperate, with other people with whom they don't necessarily have much in common and whom they possibly don't even like, but I don't see what's particularly sinister about that.
Incidentally, do you share the Daily Mail's indignation that some young offenders are sent on adventure holidays at the public expense, or do you think that these adventure holidays should only be available to young offenders (and to kids whose parents can pay)?
Steve Steve
Alan G m...@privacy.com
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:37:04 -0000, "Steve Glynn" The reports I've seen are putting it as an extension of normal schooling and we know how nulab regard that. They can't abide anyone outside the system. What starts out as voluntary will soon become compulsory.
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