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"Tom Vizzini" T...@essential-skills.com
One of them cried from the emotional relief she got when the effect Hi Kim and Tom Hope you had a great ES training, I'm sure you did ;) First of all, thanks again for a great 3D mind seminar =), I smiled my way through most of it and the level of skill that I and the rest of the participants attained with the 3Dmind process was extraordinary.
You provide awesome value in your trainings.
While still in the seminar I used the process on myself and five minutes later I had finished the process, got the change and had notes to go with it. Incredible!
The changes I made with the 3Dmind during the seminar with you guys has not only put an even bigger smile on my face but put more money in my pockets as well!
I've been getting more people to sign up for cl***es and coaching sessions in shorter time than ever thanks to the changes with 3Dmind, I've taken a lot of other trainings but nothing gets close to the real life results I've been getting with 3Dmind and so fast too! Amazing!
I'm already using this stuff with clients too, one of them cried from the emotional relief she got when the effect of years of depression were no longer there. This was the result of our first session and I'm still just learning this stuff, wow!
This powerful stuff.
Another interesting thing with clients have been that they really appreciate that I'm using a process they can understand, and ultimately use themselves.
The 3Dmind makes sense and my clients like that.
So, just wanted you to know that things are working out, feel free to use what I've written as you please, stay great, regards Mattias Karlsson http://www.hypnos.nu Tom Vizzini Real Skills for the Real World www.essential-skills.com New Gold Members Area www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1056 3D Mind www.essential-skills.com/content.php?cid=1043
cokadec ...@hotmail.com
This was my first intensive of Dianetics Auditing. I had no idea of the awesome impact that this could have on my life.
"By the end of our third session, I not only could not feel the pain, but I could remember it without any fear anymore. I have started getting feeling back in my hands, my strength is increasing every day and I feel like I could do anything now.
"This is something the Doctors told me would never happen since I have Multiple Sclerosis.
"To say this has been a miracle for me would be an understatement. I am so grateful that my son introduced me to Dianetics and Scientology.
"If I have come so far in such a short time, I now believe I actually will walk again. I know it will take time but time is now something I have again thanks to Dianetics and my Mission."
- MISSION OF PORTLAND, OREGON
"duck" jism_monkey2...@yahoo.co.uk
may Xenu be with you !
"mstrhypno" mstrhy...@earthlink.net
"I knew Ron Hubbard when he was a Small. Time. Crook." - L. Sprague DeCamp to a Scientology recruiter at a World Science Fiction Convention in Chicago over thirty years ago.
Nuff Said.
"Tom Vizzini" T...@essential-skills.com
LOL! Like spounting dianetics junk?
Here is the difference in what I post and your dianetics garbage. I put a real persons name and their website on mine so you can see that it is real.
geeze, Tom
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"Cameron" cbrown1...@optusnet.com.au
I dont recall seing MindFX's name on that post, but yes, the real name might be the only difference.
"duck" jism_monkey2...@yahoo.co.uk
Poor Tom.............Cruise that is
"Tom Vizzini" T...@essential-skills.com
Other than his real name appears nowhere and it is a made up testimonial. My standards are higher. Why aren't yours?
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"Cameron" cbrown1...@optusnet.com.au
You are accusing me of supporting the co$?
Hell I'me a member of the KoX.
SP and proud!
"duck" jism_monkey2...@yahoo.co.uk
Chuckle....giggle.....ha ha, followed by highly amused laughter !
"UnKa" monsterbra...@yahoo.com
Let me respond in a professional manner, first I may I adjust my bow tie, then pull my pony tail rubber band tight, adjust my sport coat.
Now with dignity and grace, duck may I say, go **** yourself.
Here was a simple post written by someone who attended Tom and Kim's seminar in the UK, but you miserable mother ****ers have to come in, spewing your normal trash talk, yet, let's be quite frank, who gets the blame for being rude?
Tom is doing a service to this NG and the people who read it. These posts are to inform people what real crap NLP is and the results people get when they attend his seminars. But you cowardly cock suckers come and try to destroy his credability. Not with facts, not with truth, not with anything but lies, lies and more lies, and yet you son's of bitchs hide behind false names, for instance, I haven't seen gentle spirit here in a while since Nick Kemp was busted using him as a sock puppet.
So **** a Duck, who are you? Which trainer are you, that you have to hide behind a name so folks won't know it's the real you, Maybe fat *** Altfield?
Or Nicky doing the sock puppet thing again or maybe Elvis.
When you had to hide yourselves, under ***umed names, to try to bash, use harsh langage so as to protect your real names, what that says about you is simply this, your cowardly mother ****ers, fake in every sense of the word.
I think i know why you won't accept our challenges, because your afraid your real identities will be revealed and when you can't preform, then the world will know what fakes you really are, business will drop and you'll have to go back to work at Mcdonalds flipping burgers for a living, well at least it will be more honest living.
So how about we talk about things that mean something instead of all this trash talking?
Trash talking is easy, any idiot can do it.
Let's instead focus on facts, besides the fact that you are dickweeds.
Come on boys, you up for a challenge or scared your real identity will be revealed.
"duck" jism_monkey2...@yahoo.co.uk
you and your ****ing challenges, all this chest beating and bad mouthing, you are just ****ing pathetic. I challenge you to this... I challenge you to that....., it's macho bullshit and it's all about the need to be RIGHT !
Here are the only issues I have: Tom is using this site for advertising, fine, but he is choosing to ignore the etiquette (you know those stupid little rituals which keep the fabric of society in tact), and not putting "AD" as a prefix to his subject headers. Probably cos he can't spell "AD". Also, given that 3D mind "IS NOT NLP" and this is an NLP site, what the **** is he doing advertising here, does he go to Scientology, shyness, religion, suicide and depression sites etc. and advertise....I very much doubt it.
I have never taken issue with 3D mind, it is the manner in which it is rammed down everyones throat as the holy grail of therapy that tickles me (like nobody ever got any results before 3D mind, and anyone who did spent 30 years and $1,000,000 to evil NLP trainers). If it is useful, then the only thing that stands between Tom and Mega success is Toms shitty attitude to everybody that dares to ask questions about it or who dares support NLP. And he is so closed to the chance that maybe, just maybe there is a ****ing enormous amount for room for improvement in his attitude. "I don't give a ****" is just such a weak way to live.
You and Tom have one frame of existence "If you don't agree with us, you are wrong and a dumb *** and suck Bandlers cock". Where's the flexibility, where's the pacing, where's the rapport skills, where is any ****ing evidence at all that the two of you are not just bitter little shitheads, you are so stuck in the playground. You filter the majority of vistors to this newsgroup into either Bandler cocksucker or potential 3D mind customer, you are just not flexible, your world is too blinkered, you switch off so many people. Tom refers to this place as "The cesspool", well look who's wallowing in his own creation.
Anyone who comes here asking about NLP gets ***ailed by Fatman and Redneck, it is no ****ing surprise they never come back. Tom is here to sell, not to protect the innocent from the evils of NLP. Are there dodgy NLPers , undoubtedly, are all NLPers dodgy, absolutely not.
3D mind will remain an obscure freakshow until Tom and his **** buddy Unkah, realise that other peoples opinions are valid.
And why do so many use pseudonyms, well because "We Have The ****ing Choice", and we are not hard selling anything, and there are too may ****ing nutters in the world, and we like to have different personas and god knows how many different reasons Mr Slabiak (which is an anagram for ****ing Dumb Nazi Shit Head Cultist".
Tom created 3D mind, then panicked and retrospectively made up some hack science to support it, cos people started asking questions (hang on doesn't that sound familiar L.Ron ??) You guys are the 2 in the bar that people avoid, the ones noone wants to play with, the ones people don't want at thier parties (in internet terms).
Grow up for ****s sake **** me I am bored Duck
"UnKa" monsterbra...@yahoo.com
Wow, looks like I done pissed off a Duck.....................
Of course that is the way you want to see it because well quite frankly, you simply can't measure up, Macho Bullshit? No, I get into my village people costume and sing WMCA if I want macho. A Challenge is simply a simple way to point out to the people standing by who is full of shit and who gets results. As you and the rest of you NLP ****s have proved time and time again, you simply won't come to a challenge because well you got nothing to come with, all you have are excuses.
Here is an idea, if you don't like us, don't respond to us...wow....simple yet lacking...ummmm...what is it I am trying to say?
Ummmmm....I'll think of it in a minute.
Why is putting AD such a big deal? If you hate Tom, you can read two sentences and tell it is an ad, then either keep reading or choose not to, it's that friggin little thing you mention below...CHOICE......or are you just to stupid to realize, until the end of the post, that it was an AD? True this is an NLP site yet, I dont see you bashing the others who post their stuff here. Are you a hypocrite ( did i spel dat wright ) on top of a dickweed.
If you are the appointed crusader for this NG, then scream at everyone don't be selective.
WOW, I guess there is power in words to where shit can be rammed down peoples throat, this being the case I shall own you all within the year, you will bow and scrap before me, you will be my endless flunkies and do my bidding. Now please raise your hands if my words got a hold of your mind and you are my slaves now.
Could it be possibly that the attitude that needs adjusting is your?
Your hate is so obvious. Your so thin skinned, why is it you NLP'ers seem to be so thin skinned?
Why can't you take a little constuctive critism?
I never said that, I said you eat his shit like it was manna from heaven. Quit misquoting me. Point to any reference where I said that?
Besides if you want to point out bad behavior, I think you first need to speak to Richard..Oh I forgot, he's to damn good to speak to you AND besides, look at the facts, and what he teachs and then examine his health, his teaching doesn't exactly match reality does it?
Where is your flexability, pacing and all the other shit you accuse us of?
Playground, we got a playground??? Wooo Hoooo, I'm gonna go out and take someone's lunch money.
You filter the Ahem, this war was not started by us, sure our comments are colorful and sometimes even rude and obnoxious but we all ways attack NLP and ask questions which you NLP trainer folks are never wanting to answer.
Then the trainers turn on us and we respond, you try to be PC, but we don't give a shit we tell it like it is and you only wish you could throw down your wishy washy social bullshit fight like a man or should we hold to the queensberry rules?
Um which one is fat man and which one is redneck? I get so confused sometimes.
Sorry but the 3-D Mind has taken on a life of it's own, from people who are truly curious and want real results.
I'm sorry but you got that one wrong, it's Mr. ****ing dumb shit eating ***hole rat bastard Nazi shit head cultist moronic retard.
I guess you just didn't have the time to actually get them all huh?
Oh shit the cat is outta the bag, damn the Dr. Ken he made up is gonna be mad because he worked so hard on being a figment of his imagination.
Hey, if ya ever git ta Georgia, stop on by and I'll show ya the figment of his imagination on my computer, since I have a copy of Dr. Ken discussing the brain model, we are really good ya know, we can tape figments of people imaginations now. Woooo Hooo I see porn in my future.
Dude now I am getting mad, I am the life of the party at a bar, especially when they play pin the tail on the Mr. ****ing dumb shit eating ***hole rat bastard Nazi shit head cultist moronic retard. I excel.
Maybe you should take your own advice, sweetie, see I was nice.
Ok, but I won't respect you in the morning.
troll318 ...@lycos.com
That was a disappointing reply, I actually think Duck brought up some valid points...
"duck" jism_monkey2...@yahoo.co.uk
You are just too easy Homer !
Or maybe it's because there is just no benefit from that process.
Aspirin gets results, religion gets results, flagellation gets results, Electro Convulsive Therapy gets results, god....even NLP gets results !
But I enjoy responding to you (twisted perv that I am). I don't know if I don't like you, I have never met you (although I have seen your type down by the docks, turning tricks for sailors), I just play with what you present here i.e. your online persona, wherein you come across as the self medicating, brain rotted, fugazi, double veteran....with Tourettes, and Vaselini comes across as Super Mario, pie eating champion, greasy, angry cos of his supressed homosexuality, failed NLPer, snake oil salesman.
It's rude not to.
Alternatively you could put "See, I told you so, see, see it works, see...na na na na na" How do I know if I am the appointed crusader for this NG, and does a horse come with the role ?
I don't contrast with other contributors, because they don't take the "Everthing is crap apart from what I am selling, **** all who dare challenge me" approach.
You said it, it is shit !
my hands are trying to go up, but the straight jacket is hampering progress (shit I wish I wasn't driving this full bus).
I imagine my attitude could do with some polishing, and my intense, vitriolic, psychopathic hate and gossamer like skin could do with some kind of pill.
As for constructive criticism, this is all that is asked of Tommy & Timmy in this newsgroup, when can we expect some ?
My messages pace yours, why do you think you can't resist replying to em.
As for flexibility, I have my head up my arse right now.....looking for that goddam golden bubble my smurf ran off with. I switch tack from post to post, sorry if you can't keep up.
I am not an NLP trainer........more of a leisure shoe.
Do you attack NLP or NLPers ?, is it the epistemology that you take umbrage at or the people attempting to apply it ?. I mean, come on dood, Tom makes an income from teaching NLP skills, either by video/dvd or seminar, surely attacking NLP is hypocritical. And I am impressed that Tom is deluded enough to really believe that he created 3D mind out of thin air and that 7 years of the pursuit of NLP nirvana had absolutely no bearing on it.
No ****o !, you tell it like you believe it is, you state your beliefs as facts, and wonder why it is only you and Vaselini who always end up in flamorama. You leave no room for discussion, or even for your own learning. It totally amuses me that for every gobshite who spouts "I speak my mind, I tell it as it is" there are reams of other other people laughing at them behind thier backs, because they know that the gobshite is so narrow minded and essentially deluded.
The one whose *** you have your rat chewed pecker up is the Fat one, you know the super mario lookalike, the one who laughs like Pee Wee herman.
"Truly curious people", ho ho, now there is an ambiguity.
Whether 3D mind delivers or not, it is not all there is !
And after all my lectures about courtesy and civility, I feel ashamed to have neglected to use your correct title You know how it is, fleas to feed, hitchhikers to butcher etc.
Who's Dr Ken ?, enlighten me ...
"duck" jism_monkey2...@yahoo.co.uk
I thought so too, but then can you imagine standing in front of Hitler and saying "The jews ain't all that bad you know"
"Cameron" cbrown1...@optusnet.com.au
" He's a MD specalising in anasthetics. He wrote a pop-psychology book.
"Harun" gunerha...@gmail.com
And what is the name of this pop-psychology book? :) You obviously don't know anything about Dr. Ken.
Just like you don't know anything about Tom Vizzini.
The fact of the matter is you guys are critisizing them all the time without any knowledge of anything going on about the 3DMind. And the really annoying part of it is, we don't ever see you providing anything of value. In fact we don't even know if you guys are real... All we see you do is hide behind names and critisize without creating.
Now you may call Tom Vizzini anything you want..but, I am living on the other side of the world(Turkey) ,and I still work in an NLP company and I know his work gets results 1000times more naturally compared to NLP...
The one thing I know by observing my collegues who are psychologists and also my boss who is an NLP trainer, is that Vizzini's arguments about NLP are completely accurate, and the NLP guys don't even have a description for the way he looks at the problems.
Whenever I talk to an NLP guy about the way problems occur they start telling me about strategies which result in stuck states. Also when I say for example fear, they view it as a state that's the same for all human race, which is where they miss the leverage points completely.
Now you may discuss all day long for 2 letters AD , or argue why 70$ is a huge amount of money , which shows nothing but your need to find something to critisize about the guy, but in the end what counts is the fact these guys are getting results with something they have created and I don't see the same for you. So who should people listen to?
I think the first question to achieve the answer should be "Why am I in this newsgroup?" , To justifty the limited way I live, or to get out of the box and DO WHAT EVER it takes to live the life I want...
Harun
"duck" jism_monkey2...@yahoo.co.uk
How do you know ?
I do What is it that they are creating on this NLP newsgroup, that contributes to people interested in NLP...that's NLP How did you measure this ?
Fear is a concept, driven by survival instincts, and has a degree of subjectivity and commonality to it.
What if I've paid my $70, used 3D mind sucessfully, yet still find him to be a shit head. What if I have absolutely no problem with 3D mind, or think it is excellent, yet still think he is a shithead who takes the time to call anyone with a different opinion a shithead.
See Johns answer below, pretty much sums it up for me.
"Tom Vizzini" T...@essential-skills.com
This is too easy.
Again and again you make ridiculus claims. When you feet are put to the fire about putting you money where your mouth is you " duck " the challenge.
There is no need to be right. It is right.
Tom
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"Tom Vizzini" T...@essential-skills.com
Again the typical head in the sand response. You just don't get it. NLP DOES NOT WORK AS WELL. Your only response is ask how it was measured? Let me help you out...RESULTS.
Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.
Prove that happened. I would say that anyone who asks a real question gets a real response. You, on the other hand, just post personal attacks.
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"Tom Vizzini" T...@essential-skills.com
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Then why do you not do so?
Here is the cold uncomfortable truth. Most of NLP does not work. When it does it is because it falls back to psychology or cl***ic hypnosis.
Recent example is the post where the guy just finished 40 DAYS OF NLP TRAINING. That training costs 5000 DOLLARS.
When together with a GROUP of those who also GRADUATED AS MASTER PRACTITIONERS, they could not fix a simple phobia. 3D Mind then did so in five minutes.
The NLP repsonse was "They must have done it wrong". Typical head in the sand response.
The interesting this is that instead of looking at what whent wrong with NLP there is a need to bash what worked INSTEAD of NLP. Irt is the typical kill the messenger NLper response.
Your real need seems to be to defend NLP. Well that is MARKETING NLP. That is promoting NLP. You are a NLP promoter.
BTW I know why NLP failed. it is because of how the brain functions with experience, memory and change. I would go into it but that is just another flame fest waiting to happen. I don't have the time right now
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"Tom Vizzini" T...@essential-skills.com
Great points Harun!
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Of course he doesn't. Maybe I could get Dr Ken to show up for a challenge to him and they could compare expertise on brain function.
Those who creat nothing ar ethe loudest critics of those who do create something of value.
They do not want to hear this. They want to stay safe inside what they paid to believe.
This is the biggest difference between NLP and the 3D Mind. The 3D Mind has an explaination as to WHY AND HOW it works. Those with NLP training just say it is the unconscious.
Correct again.
The big measure isd the one they do NOT want to face. That is that RESULTS are the measure of ALL processes.
Nah they just want to promote NLP and market it. Yet are pissed when I suggest thast there is something better.
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