High School Stage Hypnotists RAPE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!
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lemoderncave ...@aol.com (LeModernCaveman)
Contrary to what many people believe, hypnosis is not the harmless little experience that many in the profession would like for you to believe. While light hypnosis may be relaxing and enjoyable, with the subject in full awareness and control of his or her actions and thoughts, stage hypnosis is a different breed of cat. Stage hypnotists have special training in hypnosis which makes this process a very powerful weapon in their hands, a weapon which can be used to create entertainment and excitement, but also which can be abused to create severe damage and destruction in the impressionable young minds of our high school students, students who have no choice but to either participate in these shows, or demonstrate in front of their peers that they are anti-hypnosis.
Because our students have to go to school, there is no way for them to avoid this problem.
Hypnotists dismiss the issue of risk in general with hypnosis by claiming that "all hypnosis is self-hypnosis." This, however, has never really been proven, and several experiments, such as those done by Estabrooks, have demonstrated the opposite: that once someone is in the clutches of a deep hypnotic trance, they CAN be made to do things which violate their moral code (such as grabbing at poisonous snakes or comitting crimes), with the added evil twist that the victims of malicious hypnotic control will often be dismissed if they raise their complaints. As the internet proliferates, however, more and more stories of hypnosis abuse are surfacing, including one outlined in a recent lawsuit against a New York therapist, who is said to have hypnotized a man into signing over millions of dollars to him while deep in trance. Such instances of overt control are rare. More commonly, a hypnosis abuser uses hypnosis the way a drug dealer would use drugs: they give the victim a taste of the "high" created by hypnosis, then they withdraw it, knowing full well that their victim will come back for more. Many female hypnodommes on the net combine this technique with their sexuality to addict men to them, withdraw the hypnosis fix, and refuse to hypnotize them again until they get what they want, usually increasingly large amounts of money. Male doms tend to seek sexual rewards, reminding their victims that to get their fix, they have to come across sexually, or "please him and obey his wishes." This type of abuse doesn't work on everyone, but a skilled hypnotist will find those who are most vulnerable to it, and capitalize on their ignorance.
Applied to high school stage hypnosis, you have a powder-keg of danger which can explode anytime a high school hires a stage hypnotist. A predatory hypnotist, say a pedophile, has a gold mine of opportunity to commit his (or her) crimes, without ever being detected by anyone except the victim, and only then when it is too late. The innocent setting of a high school doesn't shield the mostly underage student body from abuse, nor does the innocent nature of most high school shows. The predatory hypnotist is given access to the minds of the student body via these shows, and that is a sufficient "hook" to begin the process of abuse. Even for those who don't believe in direct "hypnorape" being possible, few would argue the existence of the well-documented hypnosis FETISH, or those who are sexually aroused by even nonsexual uses of hypnosis. The high school hypnosis show therefore serves as a conduit by which a percentage of the audience is likely to have this fetish unmasked. While it is true that the fetish would exist without the show, only to be triggered later in life, there is no reason that the high school should be the catalyst for an underage individual to get in touch with his or her sexual fetishes. To this extent, a high-school stage hypnosis show is no more appropriate than a PG-rated BDSM show fully equipped with whips and chains. Since experienced stage hypnotists are well aware of this fetish, and since they know that *some* of their easier-to-hypnotize youthful subjects are going to have a fetish triggered, those subjects become easy prey for the predatory, experienced hypnotist. To understand the special rape risk presented by high school stage hypnosis, consider that the pedophiles and statutory rapists are already generally known to seek out high schools because they are a victim-rich territory, made even richer by the near-total ignorance most of them have about the potential for hypnosis abuse. That sexual predators seek out target-rich environments is nothing new, but where high school stage hypnosis is concerned, there is a problem in that unlike other dangers, this one is not recognized. My aim with this article is to change that and to promote awareness and proper safety, and to urge high schools to stop the practice of hiring stage hypnotists, for the safety of our children.
If one does not accept that all hypnosis is self-hypnosis, then one has to acknowledge the potential for abuse in the high school setting, as this would set the stage for the abuser to target his or her victims without anyone, including the victims, being any the wiser. Obviously, no stage hypnotist performing at a high school is going to directly attempt to abuse hypnosis at the show, but it is at the show that the seeds can be planted, which grow down the road. The abusive high school stage hypnotist uses the show to condition the victims, who will generally surface from the crowd due to an existing fascination with hypnosis. To the student, this "fetish" will be something they do not understand, and do not have any idea how powerful it can be. In fact, many in the hypnofetish community, especially the females, speak of their first realization of their fetish arising as the DIRECT result of a stage hypnotist visiting their school (or summer camp, which is almost as bad). Even though the roleplay was benign, the hypnosis itself was quite deep and left a lasting impression. It is very easy for a stage hypnotist to condition a highly eager subject in what the subject presumes to be a safe setting, and when the subject ***umes the hypnotist has been screened for things like a criminal background (which most are not), or even a surface check of where the hypnotist participates on the internet. Many stage hypnotists who perform at high schools participate openly in the hypnofetish community, in fact, and can be traced with something as simple as an internet search.
Once the abusive stage hypnotist has conditioned his or her subjects, the first step of the crime has been completed. In a certain percentage of the subjects, a hypnofetish will have been unmasked and simultaneously satisfied by this "amazing" person who has stumbled into their life. The hypnotist is fully aware of what comes next, but the subject is not. The hypnotist knows the subject will crave the trance experience, and relies on this by using the reverse psychology of thanking the subject for their participation, and then ignoring them. The subject, with the impression of the hypnotist firmly implanted in his or her mind, will then seek out the hypnotist, usually over the internet. Sometimes the subject will travel into the hypnofetish community in search of a similar experience, or someone who knows of the hypnotist. It is there that they have arrived at the "second crime scene" with the advantage to the hypnotist that they are already preconditioned. At this point, the hypnotist has not approached the victim, but has been eagerly sought out because of the deep conditioning s/he implanted during the innocuous stage show. The hypnotist knows full well that the "nibble" by the student will lead to another request for hypnosis, at which point the conditioning can be deepened considerably, and no one is around to see if the "show" remains kosher. Having seen the students firsthand at the show, the hypnotist uses that show as a second screening process to find the most receptive (and sexually appealing) victims. The second hypnosis session results in a deeper addiction, deeper conditioning, and the process of brainwashing has begun, and the subject remains convinced, until it is too late, that "hypnosis is perfectly safe." To those who think hypnotic control is impossible, look no further than hypnotic amnesia for a refutation of that argument: memory is our primary form of self-control (as it lets us review our actions). Our memory is a primal function which we normally cannot shut off. You cannot watch something and tell your brain not to remember what you are seeing; if someone else has done this to you, then your control in the form of your memory has been LOST. To summarize, the problem of abuse by high school stage hypnotists is caused by the mistaken belief that all hypnosis is self-hypnosis, the benign appearance of the show and the respectability of the hypnotist, who may have a criminal record and who may even have left evidence of a fetish on the internet, and the ability of the hypnotist to condition his or her victims during the show, followed by the knowledge that a student with a fetish will seek out him or her on the internet at some point after the show, with the lambs leading themselves to the slaughter in this case.
If you still aren't convinced, a recent article regarding "hypnotic ***ault" (these were reported to the authorities) can be found at http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/09/30/3f791....
In this article, a HARVARD psychologist had this to say: "Hypnosis can be strong enough to overpower someone during a sexual ***ault," said Deirdre Barrett, a psychology professor at Harvard Medical School who specializes in hypnosis. Barrett said some crimes, including at least two murders, have been linked to suggestions given under hypnosis." This danger is real and ever-present, and it's something which can be stopped simply by abolishing the practice of allowing stage hypnotists to ...
marci ...@aol.com (Marcia Proctor)
On June 19, 2004, our personal newsloon, desperate for any attention and notoriety that he can get, posted his usual rant regarding his misconceptions and stage hypnosis fantasies. This was 50 days after the last rant. Feel better now?
Here we go yet again.
With an ever-increasing inability to post anything original, and unwilling to take no for an answer and accept clinical refutations to his claims, Gordon Roy Parker, in the guise of Ray Gordon, self-proclaimed "authority" on hypnosis (among other things) has once again 'ctrl-C'd, ctrl-V'd' his sadly delusional fantasy/wish fulfillment regarding stage hypnosis and school performances.
This foolish, noisome pseudo-information has been posted yet another time (kind of like a needle stuck in a record, playing over and over again). Once again, Gordon offers no proof, no specific instances of what he claims, but instead attempts to resort to scare tactics. He has been offered a $10,000 "prize" to provide said proof, but is unable to provide anything. We would welcome a documented example of what he claims, but that is not forthcoming. He makes claims about a hypnotherapist in Connecticut, but can't substantiate what he claims. His references to research are easily disproved. His reference to Dr.
Barrett has been refuted. His claims regarding Estabrooks have been refuted.
His claims of "special training" for stage hypnotists that enable "severe damage and destruction in high school students' minds are laughable. Mind control 101? There is NO special training for mind control. His lack of formal hypnosis training and dwelling in fantasyland are evident.
For the record, high school stage hypnotists do not rape children. Not ONE instance has ever been reported to police or school authorities. Read that again, Gordon. Not ONE instance has ever been reported to police or school authorities. Schools do not force students to attend hypnosis shows; the hypnotist is escorted at all times; and the shows are well-attended by both faculty and parents. Speaking of potentials does not make it so. The misconceptions and myths stated in the posting border on the ludicrous. He just doesn't get it. Seemingly, he never will.
This time around, the prize goes to the Carl - CFB01!!!!!, whose guess was June 23. Way to go! (BTW, this was not a death threat!) Your name will be engraved on the loving cup along with the names of the other winners, and undoubtedly posted at ray-gordon dot com. And yes, it will be back.
The "Close But No Cigar" award is not awarded No one was really as close or nearly as close as Carl!!! Other guesses ranged from June 4.
You all are to be commended. Please be sure to check the list of winners in the annals of ray-gordon dot com (can't use the whole url, or some mysterious person might try to get me TOSed from AOL.) Note that the length of time between postings is increasingly variable, so all of you take that into consideration when posting your guess. For your prediction on the next instance of this silliness being posted, please reply to this posting with the date you wish.
For any newcomers who may think there is even a trace of validity in what is posted, consider the following, the current profile for the poster. If he was truly concerned in his claims, we would not see this: (note his hobbies and interests) Name: Ray. I share my psychic insight with those I deem worthy. If you're not prettier than Jessica Simpson, you aren't worthy.
Location: Philadelphia, PA Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Dominant Male Hobbies & Interests: Teaching clueless nice guys how to become smooth-talking, lying players, and teaching beautiful women how to avoid the men I teach. If you're a sexy singer or actress (age 18-23)who wants to become famous, controversial, and make money, contact me.
Favorite Gadgets: If you're really smart, you'll search me on the web by keywording "why hotties choose losers." Occupation: Relationship and seduction expert. See my quote for why I advise men but not women. Also a PSYCHIC (not free don't ask).
Personal Quote: Don't contact me if you're female and a) unattractive; b) still a game-player who wants badboys and doesn't admit it; or c) are c1) unavailable; or c2) think that chatting on AOL is "getting to know someone." Respectfully submitted, Marcie Marcia Proctor, CHt., APHP, RBT Time to Tranceform Yourself
"Vince Runza" v_ru...@hotmail.com
Quit crossposting this crap to alt.seduction.fast, you ***hole!
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Vince
"Ray Gordon" r...@cybersheet.com
For the record, this was not posted by me, but an imposter.
Ray Gordon
"Vince Runza" v_ru...@hotmail.com
Thank you for the clarification. Can you see how others might believe it was you, you impotent raving lunatic?
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Vince
Paul Knight knig...@execpc.com
Congratulations Carl! Great going!
I will try for July 16 a.m. this time.
CFB01 cf...@earthlink.net
Well, I lucked out again.
Let's take a shot at July 3, early am this time.
( And no, that wasn't a death threat! )
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Carl cf...@earthlink.net Research is a formalized curiosity. It is poking and prying with a purpose.
Zora Neale Hurston Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains it's original dimension.
Oliver Wendall Holmes Only a fool tests the depth of the water with both feet.
African Proverb Imagination is more important than knowledge.
Albert Einstein What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything?
Vincent Van Gogh
mstrhy ...@earthlink.net (Lee Darrow)
Congratulations, Carl!
My prediction for the next post of this screed will be June 26th.
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
http://www.leedarrow.com
bluemoi ...@aol.compostheap (Annie J. Simon)
It's been awhile for me, so I'll give it a shot, June 30th, noonish CDT.
Cheers, Annie Juhlyn Simon
robertdunsc ...@aol.com (Robert Dunscomb)
How could our boy, fine upstanding citizen that he is, resist posting this again on the The Glorious Fourth?
O, sorry Ray - that's a reference to July 4.
Robert
JJT jj...@deshotmeil.comie.flockit
7-11 JJT "gol-e, Fuz,..U gonna go there! ?" "Fuz: I'm gonna spill me some beans ! : " Well we're ASF shilling..
Big Bad RICO villains And we scam everyone we know (that sounds like us) We sing about seduction And we sing about sex At ten trillion dollars a show (yeah, ca-ching! ) We pay all kind-a girls To give you all kinda thrills But the thrill we've never known Is the thrill of true fame When you get your real name On the docket with Gordon Roy Gordon Roy "..****ing court.." gonna call out my name..
OH BOY !
"..****ing judge.." gonna make him explain..
ROY !
Nothing ever gonna be the same..
On the docket with Gordon Roy He got a freaky widdle mommie named Baseball Bat Penny..
who pays all his ways and means..
He got his own collection of dollies Writing his "ray-world" dreams...
Now it's all designed to be devine, But we all know it's pretty lame..
Unlike the thrill of the true fame When you get your real name On the docket with Gordon Roy Gordon Roy He's gonna throw all his Meds away....
OH BOY !
Gonna stay online night and day..
ROY !
And he'll have to fully explain ..
On the docket with Gordon Roy mASF: hey, i know all about it..!!!
<Solo> Spoken: Counter sue his ***, dude..
He dreams of underaged teen-aged "..sexual performers.." and that gets him thru da day..
He's got a made up a hooker named, um, 'hellen'..
Earning money to get him laid... ha ha ha ha ha He got all the jobs $10k a year provides., Still he cries cause he's all alone..
And we keep gettin' richer, But he can't get our signature On the docket with Gordon Roy Gordon Roy He'll make all the cunts and whores pay...
OH BOY !
"..if it were legal.." he'd make the children pay..
ROY !
I just wonder what the Judge will say....
On the docket with Gordon Roy Talking: I don't know why we ain't in no courtroom, baby!
He's an "..inexcusable failure.." at it, ya know..!
I ain't kiddin' you man, we'd make a great defendant.
I mean, I can see it right now--we be up front, Oh, we be laughing so hard......beautiful!
"Byte Me" no_...@jose.com
One thing is certain Ray, you don't know any more about hypnosis than you do about women. I believe that your mornonic posting in a forum full of professionals in a subject that you are obviously ignorant of is nothing more than the babbling of someone that cannot achieve attention in any other way. Similarly your blathering about seduction is also depressingly transparent to a woman.
Grow some balls boy. Get a job and maybe if you clean up your act, someone might one day want to play with you. There are women with bad taste all over the place.
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"Byte Me" no_...@jose.com
You are the imposter bone head. You pose as an expert on hypnosis, gymnastics, seduction, romance, sports betting, and God knows what else.
What you are is an ***hole, who knows a little about a few things and has a big mouth in a tiny little part of the internet. You polute newsgroups, which is your only claim to fame. I guess if you really knew anything about sports betting, you might actually have a few bucks.
So rave on crazy man, you make me laugh....
BM ...
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