12 year old boy sticks out tongue at girl; suspended for sexual harassment
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http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030401-95015.shtml Boy sticks out tongue, is suspended David Crowder El Paso Times Sal Santana II, a 12-year-old Magoffin Middle School student, said he stuck his tongue out at a girl who declined his invitation to be his girlfriend. School district administrators viewed the incident as sexual har***ment, suspended him for three days and are considering placing him in an alternative school.
"This is crazy," said Sal's mother, Silvia Santana. "It's a shame that a guy trying to be cute with a girl can get himself into this much trouble. I don't think he even knows what sexual har***ment is." El Paso school district spokesman Luis Villalobos said no one with the district can comment on the case, but he said the events leading to Sal's punishment were witnessed by a teacher at the Northeast El Paso middle school.
"This is a real sensitive issue, but nonetheless one that is covered in the student handbook, which we enforce," Villalobos said. "He's facing the discipline measure that's appropriate for the offense." The school district has received four other reports of sexual har***ment at the middle- and high- school levels this year, two of which were substantiated, Villalobos said.
Last year, four incidents -- two from middle schools -- were reported.
Villalobos could not say what disciplinary actions the district took in any of the cases.
Silvia Santana and her husband, Salvador, have a meeting today with the district's director of student services, Gloria Boyer, who has the authority to set aside the planned disciplinary measures in Sal's case.
Salvador Santana said they will appeal to the school board if necessary and will probably sue the district regardless of what happens.
"It's got to be done because God knows how many other kids have been involved in something like this," Salvador Santana said, adding that his son has had no disciplinary problems in school this year.
He said the family received a detailed account of what allegedly occurred during a meeting last week with Magoffin Principal Rose Rios and a district representative.
"The teacher said he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth and waved at her like you were patting someone on the back and that that constitutes sexual har***ment," Salvador Santana said. "She said the girl was upset and scared." The district's student code of conduct states that "sexual har***ment of a student by another student includes unwanted and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, whether by word, gesture or any other sexual conduct, including requests for sexual favors." Sal said he doesn't remember receiving any instruction about sexual har***ment in cl***. But Villalobos said Rios reported that there have been at least two training sessions for students this year.
Psychologist Karen Gold said it is not only important that students receive sexual har***ment training in the sixth or seventh grade, but that they understand it, as well.
"There's a question mark: Was the lesson properly taught and learned?" Gold asked. "There's also a question here of the punishment fitting the crime." She suggested that Sal should have been given an opportunity to apologize to the girl if his behavior was inappropriate.
"Not being able to make amends does not give the child the chance to learn the appropriate behavior," Gold said. "The school should be a training ground, not an arena for punishment. Teachers are there to teach, and kids are there to learn." Sandra Lloyd, chairwoman of educational psychology at UTEP, said schools need to be sensitive to young students and careful in judging their actions.
"That's particularly true at that age when boys and girls are just beginning to get interested in each other," Lloyd said.
But, she said, "I have heard of some terrible examples of har***ment at this age level, though this doesn't seem to sound like one.
"Sometimes the punishment may seem extreme, but on the other hand, if we don't have some kind of policy in place for this, then that is also a problem." Some parents of seventh-graders at Magoffin Middle School were surprised to hear last week that a student was being disciplined for alleged sexual har***ment.
"That's something new to me. I never heard of it," Eduardo Marquez said. "It's ridiculous to do that to a little boy. If he touched her or looked up her dress, that would be different." Marquez said he knows from his son that there is a lot of pressure to have a girlfriend or boyfriend at the school.
"It's stupid," Mercedes Nolan said of Sal's punishment while waiting for her seventh-grade daughter. "But at 12, kids have no business going out on dates or anything. They should be studying." Sexual har***ment cases at high schools and middle schools in the area's three largest school districts: El Paso: Five cases reported this year and four last year. No information was available about the disposition of the cases.
Ysleta: Information unavailable because the district has no specific category for sexual har***ment complaints.
Socorro: Two students placed in alternative school this year. No cases of students suspended or sent to an alternative school last year.
Bob boby23...@hotmail.com
American officials are very similar to the Fedaien Sodamn. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Bob
"Chris Raum" cr...@sympatico.ca
Isn't it funny how in all of these cases of 6-12 year old boys being labled sex offenders for sticking a tongue out or kissing a cheek are *always* the case of a barren bull-dyke bitch teacher observing the behaviour and projecting her sexist hatred against boys and men onto the girl being "traumatized"?
I can just see the latest Feminist "teacher", upon seeing to boy stick his tougue out, fairly quivering with rage as she rushed to the principle's office to file a sexual harasement report... on a 6th grader.
Let's see, potentially being uprooted from your school and all your friends for sticking your tongue out at the wrong gender. When is someone going to start shoving this insanity back into the faces of these gender supremist hate mongers. I hope the family successfully sues the school into oblivion and ruins the career of the harpy who started all this.
These schools have to learn that if they want to be a Feminist gender supremist indoctrination camp, there is going to be a price to pay. It's the only way the school boards will get enough guts to look these Feminists in the eye, and say: "No more. Now you just teach".
What, a boy looked too long at one of his cl***mates? Or maybe not long enough? Maybe he plugged a power cord into a socket the wrong way...
No. The teacher used her own personal hateful experiences to interpret this innocent behaviour as sexual. The girl was probably "upset and scared" (if indeed she was at all) at the reaction of the male-hating dyke teacher. I think that's where these Feminist cunts and their travellers give themselves away. "Upset and scared"... because "he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth", huh? Bullshit.
Gender psychological warfare Feminist, Karen Gold, said it's not only important to indoctrinate them into Feminist orthodoxy in the sixth or seventh grade, but make sure they are brainwashed to believe that boys are always evil and violent and girls are permanent victims as well.
I'm sure this gender supremist cunt wishes she could castrate the boy for his sexual attack on this poor girl... with her teeth. I'm sure she also thinks, the way things are going, she'll get her wish someday. Maybe not with this one, but some day soon.
"School should be a Feminist indoctrination camp, not an arena for actual education." [rest of sexist hate bullshit deleted]
-Chris Raum "First they came for the fathers but I was not a father so I did not speak out; Then they came for the husbands and the boyfriends but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out; Then they came for the boys but I was not boy so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." -After Martin Niemoller, 1892-1984
"Chris Raum" cr...@sympatico.ca
What a shame we can't deal with them in the same fashion the US and British military does...
hyerd ...@cs.com (Hyerdahl)
Sticking out your tongue and wagging it back and forth at a girl IS sexual. He probably learned this behavior from his father or older brothers and tried to intimidate the school girl the same way his older male relatives intimidate the women around them.
The girl was probably "upset and scared" (if Boys can't BE boys at the expense of others.
I>think that's where these Feminist cunts and their travellers give themselves Chicky baby chicky baby...isn't allowed at school. Get used to it.
Stop wagging your tongue in school, hon.
(Edit for brevity) sexual attack on this poor girl... with her teeth. I'm sure she also thinks, the way things are going, she'll get her wish someday. Maybe not Nah; hate of wannabee oppressors is a waste of time when all she has to do is report the incident and have him punished by school rules. That works well.
"Chris Raum" cr...@sympatico.ca
sexual.
Carol Ann Worstall / Hemingway, I do want to avoid the kook strategy of calling anyone they disagree with a pedophile... still, what is sexual in the eyes of a hate filed gender supremist Feminist teacher has nothing to do with one child teasing another.
With your minds filled with a twisted hatred and fear of all things male, you and your Feminist systers shouldn't be allowed to decide what constitutes "sexual behaviour". *Especially* amongst innocent children.
Keep your perverted fantasies to yourself, Puke.
But since we're on the topic of learned behaviour, I think now I know why your daughter has decided to start a family by using the contents of a turkey baster, previously filled by a drunken tavern goer.
You're confused, Carol Ann. Once the family finishes suing this Feminist indoctrination camp, Feminist won't be able to practice their paranoid sexist brainwashing at the expense of the innocence of boys.
Keep your flashbacks to yourself, Puke. Soc.men isn't your own personal therapy couch.
Keep your own mouth shut, Feminist, or I'll put something in there and we'll both be happy.
well.
Especially when the family sues the school and puts a Feminist indoctrination camp out of business.
A boy teasing a girl only makes him a "wannabee oppressor" in that malodorous dried Feminist prune you call a brain.
-Chris Raum "Feminism makes women and men incompatible, and then exploits women's frustration and anger." - Henry Makow "The Victorian era and Feminism demand that women are beatific dolts, angelic losers, and saintly weaklings." -?
"As a Klansman saw the Blackman, so a Feminist sees the man."
"Golden One" goldenon...@yahoo.com
What she says is crap anyway. A twelve year old boy poking out his tongue is not sexual, it is a taunt.
By poking tongues??? I do not know anyone, male or female, that is intimidated by childless tongue poking.
Speaking of learned behaviour, I must be responsible for teaching a few children to poke tongues.... you know, the (horrible) *mummy's little darling* monster types. I set them up.....wait until mother isn't looking, poke your tongue at them, they cannot resist doing it back, then dob on them. Of course their mothers' never believe that I could have done it first... the little shits get in trouble for lying too.
From personal observation, I would say that tongue poking is more prevalent among female children than male children.
This whole episode is lunacy.
JB
Mr. F. Le Mur lemur...@attxbi.com
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->> With your minds filled with a twisted hatred and fear of all things male,
->> you and your Feminist systers shouldn't be allowed to decide what
->> constitutes "sexual behaviour". *Especially* amongst innocent children.
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->What she says is crap anyway. A twelve year old boy poking out his tongue is
->not sexual, it is a taunt.
Even if it were sexual: so what? Since sexuality is healthy and normal, why bother to make that distinction?
"offline" offl...@yahoo.com
I honestly don't see how waggling ones tongue back n forth can induce fear?
Do you think that Saddam's henchmen waggled their tongues at any prisoner's they placed in their torture chambers?
I can picture the scene: Private Wimpson: "I'll never talk Mr. Evil Bloke.." Mr. Evil Bloke: "Ohh yes you will...you shall talk, and talk you shall.." Private Wimpson: "No..No..Not that..Anything but that...NOOOOOOO" Mr. Evil Bloke: "Yesssss now you suffer...*waggles tongues at private Wimpson repeatedly*" Private Wimpson: "NOOOOOOOooOOOOooOO *bursts into tears*" (Private Wimpson never did recover the tongue waggling abuse he suffered) ...
"~wd" w...@TrollBusters.com
The court of public opinion found that on Wed, 09 Apr 2003 05:00:35 +0000, <snip> No, it does not work well. Why?
Because the punishment does not fit the crime. Even a real criminal will get basic human rights and their punishment will not be "cruel and unusual" as per law.
Did you forget that this is a child?
This poor child was hit with a sledgehammer for this offence.
When children like this have been harshly punished for minor offences, they grow up thinking that harsh punishment fits any situation. And they will react harshly because they have been treated harshly by example.
So when they pick up a gun, who will we blame?
~wd
"Hombre" HombreV...@yahoo.com
Sorta depends on how it's done, dontcha think? But, let's say you're right.
Let's say that he really was trying to behave in a sexually expressive fashion. Big f'in deal. His tongue wiggled in the air. Anybody who would feel a need to punish such a minor tresp*** is obviously highly phobic of male sexuality, such as yourself, and thinks that others harmless actions should be restricted based on their irrational fears.
Of course, because females never make sexual gestures, oh no.
Just because you're phobic, doesn't mean they're trying to intimidate you.
What expense, Parg? If any physical, financial, or emotional expense was occured by anyone due to his sticking out his tongue, it's their own paranoia about it that's to blame.
It's allowed at school, just not for boys. Rather than get used to these ridiculous and sexist policies we choose to protest them. Get used to that.
Oh my God! You called him hon! And you did it in a mocking way! That's sexual har***ment. Help! Ok, calm down Hombre, breathe... that's it... my God it's still on my screen... Noooo! Parg you should be punished for this... you don't get to use the word hon at my expense!
He stuck out his tongue, Parg. I don't care what he did with it while it was out it wasn't an attempt at oppression!!!
well.
Casual cruelties have always been far more dangerous than cruelties which require hate in order to manifest themselves. Hell hath no fury like one who already felt entitled to mistreat you scorned.
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Hombre - Millions of families, children, men, unborn babies, and women have become casualties of feminists beloved gender war. It's time to take their weapons away. These weapons include intolerance, censorship, financing and political intimidation.
yermolai a...@org.invalid
A very valid point that has been "feminized" from the realm of common sense to perception as an extreme view.
Yep.
Yep.
Corresponding "mock" paranoia noted. :) It's time for her to turn around and call you a wuss now.
At worst it's rude. Rudeness is NOT a crime, it's a disappointing personal choice. Perhaps a natural one if he's being taught that his every basic instinct is to be considered evil.
It's a great point. When cruelty becomes the accepted norm, the pain leaks back out into society in unexpected ways.
I'd still really like to know why men are the only remaining birth group against whom casual social cruelty is condoned and promoted. Men are expected to willingly be the butt of jokes told in public and on television, with some underlying understanding that we "deserve it" for our "horrific" historic behavior. We're the only group expected to be "big enough" to take such damage, and to take it silently or agree with the slurs against us, regardless of individual responsibility.
This is not equality. It's terrible hypocrisy to condemn behaviors relating to one group and condone them relating to another while pretending that the groups are fundamentally *the same*.
hyerd ...@cs.com (Hyerdahl)
Body language is crucial here. :-) Sticking your tongue out to say 'nanner nanner' is not the same as sticking your tongue out, and wagging it back and forth saying 'I want to **** you, chicky baby'. and your Feminist systers shouldn't be allowed to decide what constitutes "sexual behaviour".
Ah, but feminists have the same rights as anyone else to make determinations about what constitutes sexual behavior. Feminism is part and parcel of our society, and feminists have the same rights YOU have.
*Especially* amongst innocent children.
relatives>intimidate the Who's gonna make me, meat truck man?
daughter has decided to start a family by using the contents of a the reaction of the male-hating dyke teacher.
Feminist>indoctrination camp, Feminist won't be able to practice their paranoid So you bray.
Here's the thing, 'crumb', girls get to go to school without having to learn in a hostile schoolhouse. Learn to like it.
Your dick isn't long enough meat packer.
Mr. F. Le Mur lemur...@attxbi.com
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->> >Subject: Re: 12 year old boy sticks out tongue at girl; suspended for
->sexual
->> >har***ment
->> >From: "Chris Raum" cr...@sympatico.ca
->> >Date: 4/8/2003 9:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
->> >Message-id: <jfNka.5914$N94.543...@news20.bellglobal.com>
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->> >(Edit for brevity)
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->> >No. The teacher used her own personal hateful experiences to interpret
->this
->> >innocent behaviour as sexual.
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->> Sticking out your tongue and wagging it back and forth at a girl
->> IS sexual.
It "IS sexual." Eeek! That's even scarier than a big hairy spider!
Even ***uming it's true, so what? Unless you're a Puritan like Pargerdahl, in which case: so what?
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->Sorta depends on how it's done, dontcha think? But, let's say you're right.
->Let's say that he really was trying to behave in a sexually expressive
->fashion. Big f'in deal. His tongue wiggled in the air. Anybody who would
->feel a need to punish such a minor tresp*** is obviously highly phobic of
->male sexuality, such as yourself, and thinks that others harmless actions
->should be restricted based on their irrational fears.
It's another example of feminism's Puritanism.
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->> probably learned this behavior from his father or older brothers
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->Of course, because females never make sexual gestures, oh no.
Nor do they ever wear sexy clothes or makeup.
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->> intimidate the school girl the same way his older male relatives
->intimidate the
->> women around them.
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->Just because you're phobic, doesn't mean they're trying to intimidate you.
And just because Parg is a whimp who's intimidated by someone sticking out their tongue doesn't mean that anyone else is.
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->> The girl was probably "upset and scared" (if
->> >indeed she was at all) at the reaction of the male-hating dyke teacher.
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->> Boys can't BE boys at the expense of others.
Yes they can, just as girls can BE girls at the expense of others.
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->What expense, Parg? If any physical, financial, or emotional expense was
->occured by anyone due to his sticking out his tongue, it's their own
->paranoia about it that's to blame.
Parg is saying this: "Females are the ruling cl***, males are the lower cl***. The lower cl*** must show proper respect to the ruling cl*** at all times - so no smarting off allowed."
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->> I>think that's where these Feminist cunts and their travellers give
->themselves
->> >away. "Upset and scared"... because "he stuck his tongue out and moved it
->> >back and forth", huh? Bullshit.
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->> Chicky baby chicky baby...isn't allowed at school. Get used to it.
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->It's allowed at school, just not for boys. Rather than get used to these
->ridiculous and sexist policies we choose to protest them. Get used to that.
-> Parg loves repression of speech, lack of freedom, threats from the gov't, bogus lawsuits, and lack of individual choice; that crap feeds the pizza-girl's power fantasies. Parg would love a Ladies Police States of America where the "wrong" sort of people would be lined up and shot at the drop of a hat - or the wag of a tongue.
ohsojour ...@aol.com (OhSojourner)
Many 12-year-olds ain't so "innocent" these days any more...
Sorry, but I'm not going to follow anyone's party line musings here. Were you there when this happened? What if this kid was on the "rough" side to begin with, like a bully?
From the description in the article, it sounded like the boy was waggling his tongue in the manner of suggesting cunnilingus. This is a gesture I've seen *many* times in certain "urban" locales -- I don't think they were talking about the "neener neener" thing that little kids often do.
This could have been something a 12-year-old could have learned from "ghetto" and "hip-hop" culture that is quite popular these days...
>What she says is crap anyway. A twelve year old boy poking out his tongue is If he was "poking out his tongue" and waggling it as to suggest cunnilingus (as in the manner of those who hang out on streetcorners), then that is indeed "sexual", which can be quite rude and very intimidating. Remember that these are 12 year olds in a school, where focus should be on learning and education.
Overtly intimidating behavior like this can distract and interfere with the school's intended purpose of educating the student. What if you had an "innocent" 12-year-old daughter and somebody was making unwanted sexual suggestions at her?
When such unwanted gestures were directed at me in the past, they had the effect of catching off-guard and pissing me off -- pissing me off to the point where I felt like going up to the jerks and clipping them under the jaw; or keeping a small spray-bottle filled with that bitter-tasting liquid used to train puppies not to chew, etc. (which I could have gotten away with since this often occurred while I was riding a bicycle) -- although I never did, because it was rare that I ever saw the same person more than once. (Now before anyone decides to comment on this, just consider how you might feel if you commonly encountered strangers who loudly exclaimed how much they wanted to steal your car or **** your girlfriend, for instance -- sooner or later you'd probably feel like teaching them a lesson in manners, too...) In a schoolyard, of course, the rules are different; and you can't just walk away from it and hope you'll never see the same people again.
So you see, such behavior could be cl***ed on the same level as a kid trying to pick a fight, or threatening that they're going to steal from another kid, etc.
At the very least, he should have gotten yelled at by the principal; I'm not so sure about the suspension part although I don't know how they deal with kids nowadays who do other things as described above. (Also, I don't know why they continue to think "suspension" is effective since many kids enjoy their freedom from having to go to school. A better idea would be to make punished students have to attend extra evening cl***es!)
"Chris Raum" cr...@sympatico.ca
Christ wept! Re-read what you just wrote, Carol Ann Worstall / Hemingway. I mean, look at the meaning, intent, and WORDS you are adding to this child's behaviour. Are you not disturbed?
Ah HA! Bingo bango, sugar in the gas tank! If *ONLY* Feminists had the same rights as everyone else. Once again, puke, you provide a useful wall for us to bounce the ball of discussion against.
I'm only trying to save you from embarr***ment, old grrrl. Go ahead and give us more ammo if you want.
Heh heh heh. You aren't fooling anyone, old grrrl.
So I reason.
The boys are the ones in a hostile Feminist environment in these indoctrination camps, and you know it. They will never learn to like it, and more and more parents are going to put their children in private schools to rescue their children from it. Meanwhile, lawyers know a cash cow when they see one. In the litigious old US of A, the lawyers will mop up the worst of the camps and the rest will get the message and finally stand up to the Feminist teachers.
Sheyeah! Dream on old grrrl. I said we would *both* be happy.
-Chris Raum "Feminism makes women and men incompatible, and then exploits women's frustration and anger." - Henry Makow "The Victorian era and Feminism demand that women are beatific dolts, angelic losers, and saintly weaklings." -?
"As a Klansman saw the Blackman, so a Feminist sees the man."
"Chris Raum" cr...@sympatico.ca
I would rate tongue wagging as more terrifying that being slapped with a mackerel, but less terrifying than.... THE COMFY CHAIR!!!!!
"Chris Raum" cr...@sympatico.ca
You know, when you put it that way, the original saying makes a lot more sense.
hyerd ...@cs.com (Hyerdahl)
It doesn't really have to "induce fear" to create a hostile schoolhouse, but if it did create fear, how many boys fear being raped vs. how many girls?
Yes. Men who don't have sexual access to women to rape often rape other men.
Surely seeing an enemy with sexual torture on his mind might well create a sense of fear before dying. You might be refering to the notion that this particular school boy didn't thrust out his tongue and waggle it and the end of a gun.
Perhaps that would get your attention more, but in the meantime, schoolgirls need not be educated in a hostile schoolhouse.
(Edit for brevity)
"Hombre" HombreV...@yahoo.com
You're doing an excellent job demonstrating that this is all about some people's irrational fears about male sexuality. Keep it up! :) (no euphamism intended) men.
He said "waggled their tongues". That you would equate such an action with rape is yet furthur proof of your phobia.
No, there's no might about it, he was absolutely not referring to that notion. Those who don't confuse tongue wagging with rape, know that.
By 'hostile environment', feminists seem to mean 'any environment in which a woman might at some time experience stress'. Making boys walk on eggshells to try to avoid being guilty of creating a 'hostile environment' and recieving merciless 'justice' should they ever fail, even inadvertantly, is not a good policy for America to continue following. If you can't see that, you might be a feminist.
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Hombre - Millions of families, children, men, unborn babies, and women have become casualties of feminists beloved gender war. It's time to take their weapons away. These weapons include intolerance, censorship, financing and political intimidation.
Bob boby23...@hotmail.com
That would help a lot.
Last night NYPD Blue was on. They cops on that show, said to be very realistic, commonly arrest any man standing near a crime and beat him until he confesses. NYPD shoots unarmed men, uses toilet plungers on minor criminals, beats men for looking wrong, and generally has a lot of similarity with the Ba'ath party cops. Yesterday the media went on a tour of the Ba'ath party cops prison in Basra. I was left wondering how that is intrinsically different from Rikers Island? I wonder if the Ba'ath Party cops use toilet plungers to kill their victims like the NYPD.
We do know that the Ba'ath party cops also take children from their fathers homes. Very similar to US cops in many respects.
The US now has more men in prison than any country at any time in the history of the world. It's a shame we can't get the US Marines to liberate us.
Bob
"Sir Jessy of Clone" evilincorpora...@yahoo.com
GOD SAVE US ALL FROM THE COMFY CHAIR!!!!!
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