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Michael Adams Abri...@yahoo.com
What are the others? I know of the US ones.. Mostly want the official ones that will get you a commision in the nations military.
West Point - Army mostly Annapolis - Navy/Marines Colorado Springs - Air Force VMI - Various Citadal - Various The Coast Guard has one, but I forget whats its name, and location, Maine?
Sandhurst? British And who else has them, and what are their names?
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"Carl Alex Friis Nielsen" c...@get2net.dk
I guess everybody has schools were officers are tought.
In Denmark there are the officer schools of the army, the navy and the air force (H?¦rens Officersskole, S??v?¦rnets Officersskole and Flyvev??bnets Officersskole) and the Defence Academy (Forsvarsakademiet) for advanced more scholarly issues.
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"Tom Schoene" tascho...@starpower.invalid
VMI and the Citadel are *not* offical US military academies. They simply offer ROTC programs like many other US colleges.
The US Coast Guard Academy, New London, Connecticut. There's no other name that I'm aware of.
You should also add the US Merchant Marine Academy, Kings Point, New York.
Graduates get a reserve commission in the US Navy.
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mogu ...@hotmail.com (Transition Zone)
I certainly hope that every country (including Canada and Mexico) would have an Academy to train it's military. A country's emb***y website may even offer related information.
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Canada's . Royal Military College (RMC) , at Kingston , Ontario.
Tomas By to...@basun.net
The oldest military academy in the world is Karlberg: http://www.mhsk.mil.se/ /Tomas
"Rob Fabian" robfab...@earthlink.net
For that matter, in response to snipped material, the U.S. Air Force Academy is not named Colorado Springs. It's near Colorado Springs, but unlike West POint and Annapolis, it has not taken on the name. It's just USAFA.
(Or... the blue zoo, the aluminum fishbowl, Camp Mufasa, and other various names ***igned by its inmates...) Rob Fabian USAFA Cl*** of 88
Michael Adams Abri...@yahoo.com
If you were to start a military academy, based on current and projected military needs. what sort of academy woud you build and staff.
What subjects and course and like would you teach?
This is just a mind experiment, but the future of officers and the military is in the schools and schooling they recieve. As well as give us an idea of where the worlds going.
Mike Alaska
"Mark M" m...@sink.drain
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Eugene, what happened to the one at Heidelberg?
Mark M
heli ...@yahoo.com (neil)
The British establishments are Britania Royal Naval College Dartmouth - Royal Navy Royal Military Academy Sandhurst - British Army Royal Air Force College Cranwell - Royal Air Force
julia ...@ihug.co.nz (Julian Treadwell)
Try reading the book 'Starship Troopers' by Robert Anson Heinlein for some very profound and imaginative ideas on what the military academies of the future should teach.
NB - if you've seen the movie, then it's got very little in common with that.
hanhwe_ ...@yahoo.com (Han Kim)
Conveniently ignoring realistic budgets, time and "common" sense, the design goals of my military academy would be copied from an institution that produced some of the most ferocious warriors in history: The Buddhist warrior monks of Shaolin Temple.
Here are some ideas on a 21st century version of the Shao-lin.
Disclaimer : most of what I learned about Shao-lin was from "Ancient Warriors" a TV program in the US cable network "The Learning Channel". Topic 1. Introspection and self-Knowledge Buddhist monks (and nuns) spend alot of time in meditation and prayer.
They spend alot of time learning about their own limitations and capabilities. They get practice dealing with fundamental moral questions about their own existence and life in a "sea of sorrow".
These seem excellent skills for a 21st century warrior that is called to deal with all sorts of tricky and ambiguous problems - war fighting, peace-keeping, negotiating, nation-building. These would seem essential for a warrior to stay sane while doing the unpleasant things the politicians ask of them - and knowing for sure that choices he or she is forced to make will most likely be wrong.
A 21st century version of this training would include a rigorous cl***ic Liberal Arts education with a focus on History and Philosophy as well as meditation techniques and martial arts ( to help with the meditation ).
Topic 2. Knowledge of the world as it is.
Shaolin monks typically spent years wandering about the world and observing. A 21st century warrior monk would master foreign languages and spend time with Peace Corps-like organizations.
Officers will be required to take fully paid sabbaticals lasting a minimum of 1 year every 7-10 years to spend outside the military.
Topic 3. Mastery of every weopon on the battlefield.
The Shaolin monk learned to use every weopon on the battlefield as if they were extensions of their own limbs. Anything they found could be used as weopons. The 20th century warrior has enough trouble with the friggin' radio.
Even if we see a monumental advance in the human factors design of the technological products this will be unrealistic. But to the extent possible the 21st century warrior monk will throughout his or her career, learn to lead many arms. Warrior pilots will serve with ground forces to get the view from the mud. Infantry officers will learn first hand what it takes to keep planes flying.
While this seems totally unrealistic, I submit it is only slightly more unrealistic than the demands on the military from political leaders and civilians. Note that many of the most trusted diplomats and peacemakers have been soldiers. Societies seem to trust their fighters (whether they are truly brave soldiers such as Rabin or truly paranoid politicians as Nixon) to make peace. Rather than just hope that somehow we get some warriors who have it together enough to rise to the occasion, perhaps we should go about actually training them for their true task.
Han
Michael Richman mlrich...@prodigy.net
I think it would be highly desirable for American officers to learn at least one non-European language (or perhaps Spanish). I think it would be worth making such an acadamy a five year program, with one year devoted to learning a language.
Another post talked about Starship Troopers as having a good model for military academies; but most of what was portrayed was a political indoctrination cl***. Perhaps, given officers like Ollie North, it might be a good idea to make sure our officers support democracy and the rule of law, but I suspect most of them do already.
The Starship Trooper movie didn't have power armor, but I thought it was remarkably faithful to the spirit of the book.
paulcc ...@teleport.com (tank Fixer)
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"Dirk Bruere" arte...@kbnet.co.uk
I'd hardly call them ferocious.
More disp***ionate and very efficient.
Dirk
"Dirk Bruere" arte...@kbnet.co.uk
A simple suggestion.
I'd make them spend the first six months or a year as a regular soldier.
They'd learn quite a bit, not least how it feels to be on the receiving end of stupidity.
Dirk
dean ...@my-deja.com
Not long enough. Two years. During the years I was applying for enlisted-officer accession programs, the two years of universal enlisted service was my answer to the always-asked 'if you could change one thing about the navy what would it be?" question
"Yau-ming" nospam2_yaum...@bigpond.net.au
It has to be comprehensive and wide ranging.
I thought that Han's idea of Shaolin Monks training system was a bit extreme. But the nature of soldiering nowadays is quite extreme.In the past, all the officer had to do was to press his men forward. In the modern battlefield, the officer has to learn to be flexible and to take all sorts of advantages to achieve his mission objectives.
OT :Considering the decline of values, discipline, and respect for the aged etc.. and the impact of left wing socialist "damn (f@#k) the establishment" thinking prevalent in the media and among many teachers and universities. I would seriously consider revamping the public education system, extending military education to primary school (flaaaammee suit ON) and make it free for all citizens to attend.
Having said that, ***uming we are talking about a secondary school, I would have the usual subjects like math, history, languages, the study of different cultures- to widen the minds of the students. For ECA I would actually include computer games. Some of the games would ingrain fundamental military maxims into the students - ie Counterstrike teaches the vital need of team work to complete the objective, the element of surprise, the strength of defensive positions, and the need to use burst fire mode for automatics weapons etc...
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Michael Adams Abri...@yahoo.com
But the major question is, it produces officers?
Mike
Martin Sinclair ms...@tality.com
I'm not surprised they were ferocious, all that ....ummm.... monkly frustration to work out :-) If you shut off your army from society, you risk the armed forces becoming a separate institution, not understood, nor understanding outsiders. Dangerous......as certain Latin American countries have found out. Soldiers that think they know best, and decide to run things in order to "sort the problems out" was alluded to in that bible of some, Heinlein's book "Starship Troopers", IIRC.
As I understand it, this is the reason that the Germans still hold to universal military service - to keep the armed forces part of society, even when society changes.
Of course, universal service is no guarantee of enlightened soldiery; after all, if the entire government is ex-soldiers, then every problem looks like a nail for your hammer. (asbestos underwear on) You could argue that Israel faces this problem, in trying to address a political and economic problem using military solutions.
Martin First of Foot, Right of the Line
Wim Libaers wim.DONTSPAM.liba...@pandora.be@telenet-ops.be
[...] [...] I'm not in the army, but I do know about games.
The most important lesson to learn from Counterstrike - to take your specific example - would be that, if there's a cheater in the game, he probably will slaughter the rest. That is, when you want to win you should try getting an unfair advantage. Cheaters are obviously hated in games, but in war it probably makes sense.
Next lesson would be that lag makes winning very dependent on luck (not sure how you'd apply that to the army), and that if kills/minute are believable, fights in cramped buildings are to be avoided at all costs.
Unfortunately, that's the only thing you can do in CS.
Something like the Delta Force or Operation Flashpoint games would be preferable IMHO. (and both of those are considered by the US army, although modification is required) One problem is that sitting in front of a screen with a mouse wouldn't be quite the same as real training.
More interesting are vehicle simulations, which are used already. And wargames, for large-scale planning.
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