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atmomsph ...@yahoo.com (Reece)
I am the mother of children who have been abused. They told of the abuse after we went into a domestic violence shelter and they felt safe from their father, who was the abuser.
I immediately contacted Child Protective Services.
From the beginning, the social worker encouraged the children to tell her that I told them to say what they were alleging had happened to them by their father.
I was cohearsed into taking them to a "local physician" and the social worker couldnt even tell me what his qualifications were for looking for sexual abuse in children.
I called a counselor that the children had seen prior and she told me to take the children to a child and family specialty center near the state capitol.
I called the children's pediatrician and she called that specialty center and made the appointment. The social worker called and canceled the appt at the specialty center.
The pediatrician called again and made the referral...it was again canceled by the social worker from hell.
Finally, the pediatrician called facility and then called me back with the doctors private cell phone number. He told me to bring all of the children in that very day. However, the local doc had already done his "exams" and saw nothing that concerned him.
The specialist confirmed 5 cases of sexual abuse and videoed 1-2 hour questioning by each child. That Clinical Social Worker thru the specialty center also confirmed all 5 cases of the abuse.
Social Services still thought i was trying to set my husband up.
Meanwhile, the children are telling me how he (their father) is going to kill us all because they were telling people about the abuse.
I received calls at night from the social worker from her home phone threatening me and telling me that if I didnt do what she said, she was going to remove my children from my care. She said she could do that because she had the athority to do so.
I reported the call to her supervisor the next day...the supervisor states, there was no record of the call...therefore, it did not take place!
An independent investigator/clinical social worker/ was hired by Child Protective Services. She too concluded the abuse had happened for certain and stated that she would put her degree on the line.
Child Protective Service still didnt believe the abuse had occured so they took the case in front of a judge in an adjudication hearing.
The judge made fun of my children from the bench and said that it was physically impossible for an adult to have sex with children.<----The judge was female...if that matters.
So, I began to write my governor, senator, and anyone that would listen.
the SBI and local law enforcement got involved.
It has been three years and their father was never prosecuted. The criminal case remains open in a little po-dunk town in NC.
The particular social worker I was envolved with scared me to tears.
I only wanted what was best for my children, in regards to physicians, and she turned that into me not cooperating and almost took my children from me.
She was overpowered and under educated. Isnt there anything we as parents or citizens can do to stop this cycle of abuse through the systems that are set up to help children?
I have not pursued support from my ex-husband in fear that he will push for visitation. Yes I have medical reports that prove the abuse...but it didn't help last time. I am now after almost 4 years, to the point financially that I need to pursue support, but I am scared to death. We do have protective orders in place...but paper will not stop him.
Just curious if others have ever had this type of experience and what advice they can offer.
Thanks for your time and reading such a lengthy post.
fern5 ...@aol.com (Fern5827)
Frankly, the cases I have heard of where child sexual abuse is alleged have never turned out well.
If a child is over the age of 7, I would presume he has heard the "Good touch, Bad touch " in school and should have at least some understanding of what CSA entails.
What good is CPS if they cannot help you in obtaining support from the Dad?
Indeed, many folks on this NG pose this question.
I ***ume if you are receiving TANF, that the gvt will pursue support from the father.
Best wishes.
You could contact SCDSScomplai...@Yahoogroups.com An email list in SC, they should be able to direct you to appropriate groups in NC.
Reece sends in: >Subject: the horror of child protective services
pohakuyakok ...@yahoo.com (kane)
That's because you are an ignorant twit...as I'll show, or let YOU show, so easily in this very post.
Hokay...so far so good. A nice start...that will degenerate quickly into...........
the Dad?
Mmm...CPS is not mandated to do child support collections. That's another branch of government. Or hadn't you noticed?
I think some of these folks, at the search results in the URL below, throughout the country might have their noses out of shape if CPS were to intrude on the process, other than provide info on locations of deadbeats when requested: http://tinyurl.com/5od9j How ignorant are you? Cl***?
Name one, with a citation to their post, and I'll point out that that person is as mentally crippled as you, and prove it by the simple google search I did, that any of you could have done to learn that CPS is not the agency that enforces child support collections.
Or if you are referring to NOT removing the child from the presence of a perp, upon failing to remove the suspected perp...then you AND they are sick puppies...vomiting the shit you eat regularly from Doug and others all over this ng.
They'll pursue it anyway. You can petion for it rather than try to do it privately. Another simple search would have told you that.
And all I did was add two more words to the search string of three words I started with, to produce state after state's website or other source for an application and ***istance in collecting child support: http://tinyurl.com/456l2 Are you dumb?
Cl***?
Or you could call your local state office of CSE and get the skinny AND ***istance right off the bat without dealing with various dingbats such as you, Fern.
By the way, in your attempt to argue once again against CPS, you have suggested that leaving the child with the perp, because of the problem the non-offending parent might have in collecting support, proving yet again that you hate and despise children and wish them ill, you evil little pissant.
Kane
raggetya ...@canada.com (raggetya
What on earth does child support payments have to do with CPS?
For someone who moans about how CPS doesn't do anthing, has too much funding etc etc..can you imagine if workers were given the tasks of collecting support payments from non-custodial parents...a job that the government can't seem to get done themselves....are you losing it Fern???
adopta ...@aol.com (AdoptaDad)
CPS is responsible for the children, therefore CPS is to blame when noncustodial parents fail to pay child support. Can't you see how this works?
That's why CPS needs their funding cut, so that we can hold them accountable to do more work with less resources and less personnel. I know it's a recipe for failure, but I like failure because it gives me one more thing to bitch about. It's lonely here at the home.
Oh, Fern's lost it sometime during her second childhood. Isn't childhood when CPS is supposed to protect you? They failed Fern, she's a victim of CPS.
No wonder she's pissed.
Fern's Dad DESCRIPTORS: ALZHEIMERS, EL NINO, DEPENDS, RADON GAS, CAT LITTER, SPCA, BLACK MOLD, DRUGS, MORE DRUGS, DUCT TAPE, FOSTER'S LAGER
Gree ...@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson)
That's two of you CPS cronies ***erting that CPS has nothing to do with child support.
Kane? Ya wanna join in?
Tell them how CPS is INDEED connected with Child Support.
Reece: The short answer: Know that you are not alone.
What you have discovered is not much of a surprize to a growing number of parents who have experienced the insanity of the Child Protection INDUSTRY.
It's at least a $41 BILLION a year industry in the USA.
Whether CPS fails to go after a REAL case or whether thay TRUMP UP some BOGUS case, they seem to "lock in" with the wrong side of many disputes and even when absolutely proven wrong they will not change their ATTITUDE or course.
They are a vindictive lot and often when they make fools of themselves at your family's expense they will only be more determined to rake little or nothing into a CASE.
(See!! See!! WE WERE RIGHT!!) You referred to a "Social Worker" going after you.
Please double check your terminology.
If the person works for the Child Protection agency and investigates, they are a CASEWORKER, not a Social Worker.
The agencies DO often contract for Social Workers from outside agencies like Lutheran Social Services with the PRIORITY of digging up dirt CPS can use.
If they take your kids and place them, these contract ""social workers"" may work to brainwash or interrogate the children over and over again.
Repetition is central to the "processing" of lies into the kids to use against the family.
This garbage tactic is very common and it might take YEARS to get your kids back because the Juvenile Courts and state courts are virtually rubber stamps for what CPS (the state) wants.
Hopefully, higher courts will not just play along with this crud... hopefully.
In many states even the contract ""social worker"" actually has no license.
Know that you are not alone.
Greg Hanson, Hiawatha Iowa PS- Several of the vipers in this newsgroup are intellectually prostitute to the government money in one way or another, and some are known for suckering people into some sort of amateur "sting".
In other words, they will snitch you out to protect their own financial self interest.
Some of them just remind me of the kid in school who was such a snitch it was a pathology.
Beware.
pohakuyakok ...@yahoo.com (kane)
Well, I think I made the point already. Child support enforcement isn't the purview of CPS. They can be the recipients however when a child is in custody.
And I've heard they will help a parent who has a child that is being cheated, by simply referring them to the requisite agency. If they sent someone to the health department for a "Well Baby" day would that constitute them having something to do with the county health department?
Darned if I know. You are so obtuse and disjointed in your little pewling demands one cannot really tell what you are asking.
But I always give it a try, unlike you, who will walk away from a point of argument because you can't answer it, and you can't admit you are wrong. Either would be a noble response, showing courage..but you lack it. You are a child baiting coward. I hardly expect you to respond honorably or ethically in debate among adults.
So did you tell "Reece" how CPS is involved in Child Support?
Darned if I can find where you did.
Maybe what Reese really needs is what CPS will and can provide, despite your and Fern's lies on the subject: http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cse/ for heavy doses of information...how too.
http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cse/extinf.htm for how to find her state office. Where the "do it" takes place.
Considering YOU, shithead, tried to get child support monies from her SO's daughter's father...to pay for storing YOUR crap, craphead, I'd have thought you'd have had this at your fingertips.
It's not rocket science, but it might be more than a refunder can manage.
Awwww...and you were doing so well. Some are both, some aren't SW.
Don't you even read douggie? Shit. Fine kinda bootlicking lackey you are...r r r r r r r . .
http://ssw.asu.edu/academics/msw/childwelfare.html http://www.childwelfare.net/activities/legislative2002/workingpaper/W... http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos060.htm " Employment Social workers held about 477,000 jobs in 2002. About 4 out of 10 jobs were in State or local government agencies, primarily in departments of health and human services. Most private sector jobs were in the health care and social ***istance industry. Although most social workers are employed in cities or suburbs, some work in rural areas.
The following tabulation shows 2002 employment by type of social worker.
Child, family, and school social workers 274,000 ][[[ and we know school social workers are in very short supply...not job openings...funding problems... ]]]] Medical and public health social workers 107,000 Mental health and substance abuse social workers 95,000 " Don't I just annoy the hell out of you? I'll bet even some of the rational folks here you twits are always trying to attack are wearying of how easy it is for me to do this, day in and day out, at the mere flick of keyboard..... R R R R R I even get tired of it, a little <smile>, but don't count on it to slip anything by on the unsuspecting newbies, such as Reese.
Naw not for dirt. But they will, since it's the law they do, report evidence of abuse they might encounter.
CPS uses them for lots of other things, and other contractors for other things. Some states, for instance, have some of their adoptions handled by private non-profits.
Even some do foster program supervision. I know a couple of those.
MSWs.
Some have therapy done through such contractors..in fact most therapy is delivered by contract..but not all.
What you won't tell her, greegor, is that some providers are not MSW, but they are graduates with masters and PHds in other related fields.
Oh, they'll do that without "taking" your kids. They seem to be concerned about therapy and healing. Darn'em.
Yer worrying about that little girl aren'tcha greegor? As she gets older it's going to become, because of her developing brain and knowledge base, more apparent to her what you did to her....if she was willing to lie to the neighbor, as you claim, imagine what she might be willing to do when she get's it that you stole her mother and harr***ed her out of her own home.
Oh, by the way, should you think about solving the problem of the little girl some creative way of your own, please remember how much we all know of your story here in the ng. And I read the Iowa papers on line. And of course I know her name, and your SO's name, as anyone does that has followed your testimony to a house committee.
So, now where was I? Oh yes....need money for a bus ticket?
Reviewing events of the past is how we make decisions all day long every day. When we have special challenges to deal with reviewing past events becomes ever more important. It tends to be a "repetition," every single time. Fancy that.
You really are worried, aren'tcha yahlittleprick?
In the case of your SO, never would be too damn soon, as long as you are there.
And if she did, after all this time suckin' you off while you suck her dry, get her kid back by dumping you, I'd worry she'd be vulnerable to the next ***hole layabout that came stumbling into her life to do a Sabbatical on her.
I think the state has allowed that she has run out her grace period, and it's over forever for her. But it might not be for you. Once they have a lock on her, you could be, just could be, next.
Naw, they are just busy, and they cannot rely on divination..they actually use the evidence they order CPS, by law, to collect and deliver to them upon demand.
Otherwise they'd have to be out running all about the countryside to bars, shooting parlors, and late night streetcorner hangouts, to interview the parents themselves.
Instead they "rubberstamp" the required evidence provided by workers, forensic abuse experts (CARES comes to mind), and even police evidence where available..and it often is.
Sorry greegor, often the higher courts will agree, in spades so ...
you abusives are doomed, doomed I tell's yah. We non abusives are outtahgetcha greegor. Trust me.
Why would they need a license? The agencies are "licensed" entities.
The states require it as far as I know. Non-profit or for profit they are accountable.
An individually state licensed social worker is usually someone working in either a private or small practice.
Well, if you are an abuser you are not alone, and if you are innocent you are not alone, but know that greegor is one of the most lonely guys on the planet.
That's kind of an occupational hazard for bottle and can collectors, as well as gigolos...especially the low rent variety that goes on promises of great wealth to come.
Google his posting history to Usenet and see what you are getting with this advisor helpin' you out. I'll give you the URL if you'll keep reading his boringly trite crapploa.
Oh, what way. I want in, please. I can see all those foster parents, for instance, just rollin' in dough.
"some sort?" Like you make that claim but can't be specific?
Interesting..but indicative of your ethics.
Oh..that's odd. I had some pretty good evidence that one of YOU actually called a state CPS office and reported a parent posting here a couple of years back.
I'll tell you what...you produce YOUR evidence, and I'll produce mine...hokay, and between us we'll get rid of all the bad boys on this ng..whaddayahsay?
greegor, yah got tah stop dissin' your buddies so.
I'll say...try this URL before you go much further, Reese: http://tinyurl.com/3zh5r Go back about 3 years and work your way forward. Or blindly believe this ***hole, your choice. Your ***.
And feel free to run an addy click on anyone else here, especially those that greegor the whore has made lying claims about, and those that ...
Gree ...@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson)
Here in Iowa, the Child Support Enforcement agency IS the very same agency as Child Protection, DHS.
In fact, personnel seem to shift between the two functions. Their characteristic genius applies to both jobs.
Kane posted his answer, but as is his custom, he can not answer directly, but in his own back alley fashion, creating a new thread.
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pohakuyakok ...@yahoo.com (kane)
R R R ..... Now I see how you managed to make a complete *** of yourself at the House W&M's committee hearing. You don't even understand the government, Iowa, that you criticize...but then real down home bucktoothed anti government types in their cammies aren't long on knowledge of much of anything.
The Iowa "Child Support Enforcement agency" is no more Child Protection, DHS, than Food ***istance (Food Stamps) DHS, or Health Insurance Premium Payment (HIPP) DHS, or Healthy and Well Kids in Iowa (HAWK-I) DHS, or Juvenile Facilities (Eldora and Toledo) DHS, or Medical ***istance (Medicaid - Title XIX) DHS, or Medical Contracts DHS is. Wanna guess what those are? Eh? Want to start writing your apology now before you get much deeper into your shit with your nonsense?
greegor, one of the few benefits of government service, from city to feds, is that current employees can list to be considered for new job openings, and they get the notices of them first...sometimes, when times are tight, the ONLY notice. Of COURSE THEY MOVE FROM ONE DEPARTMENT to another. Of course, with your "work history" the idea of changing jobs without a 3 to 4 year sabbatical while someone else carries your water for yah must seem awfully strange.
Are you too afflicted with the erroneous ***umption that everyone is a generalist in government service, as Douggie is about CPS jobs?
Let's see if we can sort this out for you. I feel like I'm ready for another cl*** with you. 0:-> We'll start here: http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/BOC/BOC.asp A kind of intro page, a doorway...that points to here: https://childsupport.dhs.state.ia.us/welcome.asp Which shows it to be a department of Iowa DHS, just as most other states have a separation of duties into "agencies" or "departments." Notice there is no mention of child protective services...as a discrete part of their agency?
Now let's try Iowa child protective services, shall we? It has another name than DHS, or didn't you know that about your own state? And you all caught up in the system, thanks to a brave and resourceful little girl trying to fend off...what ever it was you were trying to do. R R R We look first at the umbrella agency for the state of Iowa, for HUMAN SERVICES: http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/ And you click on the first menu item, you will open this page: http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/aboutdhs.asp Where it opens with this statement: " The Iowa Department of Human Services is an umbrella service agency.
The link below will take you to the latest annual report, which provides a general look at what we do and how well we do it. The report includes one-page summaries about the department's main functions.
" "Umbrella service agency." Clue? Not for you, apparently.
Which page also offers an annual report. What do you think, kiddies, will it reveal the truth..that DHS has sub agencies, departments of some kind that are distinct from each other?
Many states do not have as yet even an electronic connection between the departments. Some are lucky to have branch office interconnects within CPS, or other DHS agencies.
Funding shortfalls. Seems it's all going to support children at risk and respond to allegation calls. Or for other client service needs in it's other agencies and departments. Fancy that.
Here's the document URL: http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/Publications/annual%20report%20fy%202003.doc Which of course produces the following list: Child and Family Services (Child Welfare/Juvenile Justice) Child Care Child Support Recovery Unit Civil Commitment Unit For Sexual Offenders Diversion Program Family Investment Program Field Operations Food ***istance (Food Stamps) Health Insurance Premium Payment (HIPP) Healthy and Well Kids in Iowa (HAWK-I) Juvenile Facilities (Eldora and Toledo) Medical ***istance (Medicaid - Title XIX) Medical Contracts Mental Health and Developmental Disability Community Services Fund Mental Health Institutes (Cherokee, Clarinda, Independence, and Mt. Pleasant) Resource Centers (Glenwood and Woodward) State Payment Program State Supplementary ***istance So tell us greegor, the wonder boy...do you really think child protection and medical contracts, for instance are the same agency?
And that would be a good argument for believing that support enforcement and Child and Family would be the same department or agency?
It's just a test, greegor, and for once you p***ed something. You found my post. Goody for you.
Do you really think there's anyone here, outside of you spooky thinking creeps, that thinks I post with all the correct header information, subject, ng, fully attributed content, so that I can "hide" something?
It's the ***holes that snip selectively, or entirely and post lies based on hiding the missing information that are the guilty ones. Have you spoken to Douggie about him doing that to me recently so he could pretend I was claiming a percentage of children in relative foster care, when I was not?
Funny how that table of departments corresponds so very closely to how other government agencies divide up the responsibilities, no?
Now the trick for you would be to go to a TOE and find out who the actual director of the CHILD AND FAMILIES UNIT is, because THAT is the person that most powerfully effects YOUR case.
Now if you wish to claim that DHS, the umbrella agency, is doing support enforcement..bingo..you are right...but you cannot claim DHS IS CPS, as it is not. It is also DOING child and family and juvenile enforcement...but the two departments are not DHS.
In other words, CPS can request SI help someone, but they cannot COLLECT A DIME THEMSELVES. They can't order up lunch for the governor either. That's someone else's job, but they, like all Iowa state employees...which of course lets you out on the issue of "employee" work for the governor.
R R R ...it THIS why you won't marry the lady, greegor the low rent gigolo?
http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/fostercarerecovery/ " WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT PAYING CHILD SUPPORT WHILE YOUR CHILD IS IN FOSTER CARE " By the way, I did point out recently "Child support enforcement isn't the purview of CPS. They can be the recipients however when a child is in custody." (below, and thanks for the full attributions...it allows me to give more instructional time...R R R R ) Seems I know more about Iowa than you do. Does my computer workstation have some features yours doesn't? Do you have google blocked?
Or has the state set up an IP watch on yah and blocks their sites to your access? R R R R R R Boy, geegor TLRG, you should read this 2003 report.
Looks like Iowa is struggling valiantly to be responsible to their citizens. Their preventive services for families in crises looks very promising...and if you should fraudulently sue the state, just think, you could be taking monies away from families that will crash and end up where you are...with the mother losing her child(ren). Then you'd have more to piss and moan about. Isn't that special?
http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/Publications/annual%20report%20fy%202003.doc So, let's sum up. Fern posts one of her ***inine posts that claims CPS should be doing support enforcement, I point out they do not do that as it's not their mandate.
You hop in and instead of saying CPS, what was being talked about, you use DHS, and claim CPS and DHS are the same agency, to claim they in fact DO engage in support enforcement.
Now I've had to point out for you that CPS is a subsidiary.
The governor is the top person in a state's enforcement responsiblities..he or she is the Executive in "Executive Branch." Within the the state there are others, beside CPS in teh excutive branch...say, the liquor control commission rides herd on distillers and brewers.
Should they also be collecting child support for the state?
Well, that IS what would be expected according to Fern's requirement that CPS do child support enforcement.
Or maybe one of those many departments under DHS should also be doing it. Hell, some are even child or family oriented. How about those slugs in mental health that treat families...why in the hell aren't THEY collecting child support due?
I've heard these folks all have other jobs to do. If CPS is going to be held responsible for everything "child" or everything "family" you twits are sure never going to run out of pissin' and moanin' material, now are yah? R R R R R Now let's see. Where shall I post this to hide it? 0:-> Say "thank you" greegor. Between you and Douggie one of you should develop some manners. I always thank people when they correctly point out my mistake. It's heartfelt and genuine (when they are correct and even if they aren't but mean no harm or hurt thereby) and a nice little side effect is that I don't look like a ****in' feckless jackoff, like you two do.
Kane ...
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