What is military school?
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"Big Al \(Iso Allo in Finnish\)" allosaurus-spamt...@isoallo.net
What is military school? Which type of humans are in military school? Can someone tell to me, what kind of is military school?
"Don Phillipson" d.phillip...@ttrryytteell.com
They vary between countries and are of two main types.
1. Many countries have cadet training schools for aspirat officers, e.g. Sandhurst in Britain, West Point in the USA, Saiint-Cyr in France. These are regular military establishments. The USA is unusual in that its army gives special recognition to a couple of private colleges that specialize in training officers, e.g. The Citadel (Norwich Conn.?) and in Virginia.
2. In the USA a small number of private secondary schools are organized on military lines, e.g. the students wear soldiers' uniforms etc. These places are often regarded as special seminaries for boys needing severe discipline. They are not intended to prepare young men for army careers.
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"jerry_fried ...@yahoo.com" <jerry_fried
The Citadel is in Charleston, South Carolina. According to the list at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_schools_a...>, the Virginia one you're thinking of is probably Virginia Military Institute, and you might also have been thinking of Norwich University in Northfield, Vt. For some of the colleges on that list, such as Texas A&M, the military part is a small fraction, I believe.
About half the secondary schools on the above list (which was a lot smaller than I expected) also educate girls. A few public military schools are mentioned. I'm pretty sure there's a tiny one in my town, a charter school (that is, a partially publicly funded school run largely separately from the regular public school system, if that's enough -ly's).
I agree about how these places are often regarded. However, a recent graduate of New Mexico Military Institute is in one of my physics cl***es this year. He's very retiring; I can't imagine him as ever having needed severe discipline. Maybe his parents thought military school would make him tougher, or maybe the discipline worked too well.
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"Mike Lyle" mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk
There's no equivalent in OtherPondia. Except that in Britain there's Pangbourne College, an independent school whose pupils, I believe even now, are ranked and uniformed as Naval Officer Cadets. In Australia The King's School Parramatta has a rather military-style uniform and, like many independent schools in the British tradition, places emphasis on its cadet corps, but I don't think it would like to be called a "military school".
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"Big Al \(Iso Allo in Finnish\)" allosaurus-spamt...@isoallo.net
Thanks for information, I asked this because in the game The Sims 8 in 1 (someone may know it?) say young humans like: "Young Sims must be learn hardly, if they slack off instead, they may be banished to military school!" But how grades give in USA schools? Is gradescale something like A-F where "A" means commendable and "F"-grade fail/failed?
Oh, my signature is in Finnish, but in English it looks like: Big Al (Me): "Niilo removed. (I mean follow-ups)" Someone 1: "Removed of a days?" Someone 2: "What weapond you used?"
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"Armond Perretta" newsgrouprea...@REMOVEcomcast.net
Are there then secondary schools that serve up large doses of discipline sometimes in lieu of the cl***ics?
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Evan Kirshenbaum kirshenb...@hpl.hp.com
The canonical grades in American schools are A, B, C, D, and F, where A is the best, D is the minimal p***ing grade, and F is failing. In many schools the p***ing grades may be modified by "+" (a little better) or "-" (a little worse), so the best grade is A+, followed by A, A-, B+, etc., down to D- and then F.
Some schools, especially for children below about 12 or so, use other schemes. My elementary school in Chicago used a scale that ran from "E" (excellent), through "G" (good), "F" (fair), and "U" (unsatisfactory). My son's school uses (I believe), "E", "S" (satisfactory), and "N" (needs improvement). The only place you're likely to hear reference to such scales is hearing that somebody "gets an 'E' for effort". In my elementary school, you got two grades in each subject. One was for your mastery of the subject, and the other was for "effort"--how hard you were trying. So a "E" in math with an "F" for effort meant that you knew the material you had to know, but the teacher didn't think you were really pushing yourself.
Conversely, an "F" in math with an "E" for effort meant that you were barely keeping up, but the teacher recognized that it wasn't for lack of trying.
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Peter Moylan pe...@DIESPAMMERSozebelg.org
You've just punctured one of my long-held beliefs. I had always thought that the "E" in "E for effort" referred to a grade between D and F. A bit of googling around doesn't resolve the question, but on the whole it tends to support your interpretation.
Australian schools use a variety of systems, but most of our universities use a uniform system of HD=High Distinction (85-100), D=Distinction (75-84), C=Credit (65-74), P=P*** (50-64), and FF=Fail (0-49). At my own university the engineering faculty felt that this was statistically unreliable. (What is the real difference between 64 and 65, or between 49 and 50? How can we justify giving the same grade to two students who got 85 and 99?) We therefore adopted the practice of giving only percentage marks as subject grades. This worked well for many years, but after the government forced a change in nature in the universities, allowing subjects like Basketweaving for Dummies, Engineering was forced to go back to the old system because the rest of the university felt that our system was too complicated and too difficult to understand.
In my role as a Program Coordinator I had to deal with working out the equivalences between institutions when students transferred, and that was a real headache. The trickiest part was dealing with foreign students applying for entry to postgraduate research degrees. For this purpose we kept translation tables for all the institutions we knew about. These were in part guesses, but the guesses were very accurate in the case of institutions from which we had accepted students in the past. More recently, the Federal Minister for Education, or perhaps it was someone in his Ministry, decreed that all universities had to use a uniform system based on GPA. That meant that a GPA of 3.7 from MIT was held to be equivalent to a GPA of 3.7 from the Greta Garbo School for Wayward Girls and Boys, even though MIT calculated GPAs on a scale of 0-4 while the GGSWGB used a scale of 0-10.
It's a good thing I retired when I did, or I would be forced to utter the word "puffington".
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Salvatore Volatile m...@privacy.net
That does occur in some systems, and I think there was at least one segment of my schooling that so used 'E', but it's not common.
Remember, Erk was mainly talking about elementary school systems.
My six-year high school used numerical grades on a similar scale after seventh (also eighth? can't remember) grade. I thought it was more sensible and rational than the A-F system, which I believe is used by most American high schools.
Hmm, my recollection from when my brother was at MIT was that they used a 5-point system or something like that.
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"Don Phillipson" d.phillip...@ttrryytteell.com
Pangbourne was for merchant marine officers (in 1920, at least, when my father was there . . .) not the Royal Navy (cf. Dartmouth RNC.)
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Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
"Mike Lyle" mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk
Yes, that's true: we used to know it as "The Nautical College, Pangbourne", and I remember a striking picture of the boys manning the mast in _The Wonder Book of Ships_ -- I wonder if your father was in it. (I was disappointed when, as a visiting oarsman or rugger-player, the boat they took me for a jolly in had an engine rather than a miniature square rig!) But I think it's changed in that respect, since the country has idiotically decided to do without a proper merchant navy. Note, too, that the age of entry to officer training for the RN at that time was secondary-school age, so the entire structure is different...Googles...
Yes: the school's website says "Pangbourne is a distinctive school. No other school in the UK has the privilege of wearing Royal Naval officer cadet uniform, and pupils wear it every day with pride. Founded in 1917 as Pangbourne Nautical College, it originally prepared boys to be officers in the Merchant Navy, but as the merchant fleet dwindled it became a training ground for many Royal Navy officers. In 1969, with many boys by then choosing university as a first step beyond school, it shed much of the nautical training in favour of a more traditional academic focus, and became Pangbourne College." http://www.pangbournecollege.com/ ObPangbourne: it's a good job they're on the Thames, as the Pang has dried up. Climate change? Irresponsible use of aquifers? Don't be silly!
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"Mike Lyle" mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk
[...] [...] My secondary school in England used alpha, beta, and gamma for three-weekly progress cards, and straight percentages in the twice-yearly exams. Strangely, the external examination board awarded only p*** and fail for "O" and "A" Level, and refused to release marks to candidates; but the school used to pin the spreadsheets on a notice board without announcing that it had done so.
(This bit of unofficial official rule-bending reminds me of when a friend, as punishment for pushing me into a full bath just after I'd got dressed on the last day of term, was demoted from his position as a prefect for the holidays only and without any non-prefect being told.
Double messages were a strong feature of British society, and haven't yet quite died out.)
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"Father Ignatius" FatherIgnat...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za
In , Mike Lyle <mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk> typed: Another sign of non-hankering after empire?
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"Phonedude" foned...@verizon.net
It is of interest to me how far we've come (or not) in terms of child-rearing. Most military schools, as far as I know, have firm rules and an established disciplinary process. The interesting part is that it seems that a school with any discipline at all would be considered "extreme discipline" under today's social mores. I don't think the discipline found in any military school in the United States is really extreme at all, but the fact that discipline exists at all is considered, by many, extreme.
Perhaps I need a time out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
PD
"Mike Lyle" mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk
Nah, just a culpable form of myopia.
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"Mike Lyle" mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk
Not quite sure I understand the q. You mean, sort of "punishment camp" private schools, not part of the actual criminal judicial system? I don't know; though long ago David Niven's autobiography revealed he'd been briefly sent to something of the sort because his behaviour had got out of hand, so perhaps they existed for older boys too.
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"John Varela" OLDla...@verizon.net
On Fri, 5 May 2006 07:00:05 UTC, Peter Moylan When I was in elementary school -- which in those days was Kindergarten through 8th grade -- the system was E for Excellent (90+), G for good (80-89), S for Satisfactory (70-79), and U for Unsatisfactory (69-). In High School we went to numerical grades.
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Paul Wolff bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk
The Pang is an interesting stream. Its upper course runs north-south and has for a long time had a variable source according to the season.
It marks the line of the Compton gap, which was probably carved as an outlet for glacial melt-water from the ice-sheets north of the Berkshire Downs, and may also be the southward continuation of the ancestral Windrush. Then its middle course runs west-east, until the point where it turns north again towards Pangbourne and the Thames. This south-north lower course marks the former drainage of the Kennet into the Thames through the Sulham gap. The Kennet is slowly shifting southward and abandoned the Sulham gap in the Pleistocene, preferring to do its shopping at the Oracle in Reading instead.
So if the Pang is drying up, blame the lack of glaciers and the affinity of the Kennet for the axis of the London Basin syncline.
I can't find much Usage in this - is it disqualified?
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Peter Duncanson m...@peterduncanson.net
On Fri, 5 May 2006 23:08:33 +0100, Paul Wolff Probably not. There are sure to be sheep adjacent to or in the Pang.
They will keep it on-topic.
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Paul Wolff bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk
Oh, goody. Where there's wool there's a way.
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"Percival P. Cassidy" Nob...@NotMyISP.com
On 05/05/06 03:00 am Peter Moylan wrote: <snip> During my first year or so at the University of Queensland, the system started as you described above, but below P*** were P*** Conceded (="We'll call this a p*** as long as you don't want to take anything for which it's a prerequisite"), Failure, and Gross Failure. These were later replaced by number grades from 7 down to 1.
AFAIR, we got percentages or marks out of 10 for individual ***ignments or exams, and the "standard" grades were awarded at the end of the year or semester, but grading was not consistent from department to department or from lecturer to lecturer within a department. Some awarded large numbers of 7/HD grades, some none. When we got back our first ***ignments for the first cl*** I took in one department, the lecturer explained: "Just so you know what these grades mean, we work on the ***umption that anybody who gets 8 1/2 out of 10 should be up here teaching the cl***." Perce
"Skitt" skit...@comcast.net
That made me think of the Performance Review situation at one of my past employers. The rating criteria used by different bosses varied immensely.
Some supervisors would not give the top two ratings (out of about seven) to anyone, others gave them to most of their underlings. While that didn't play a big role in the allocation of raises within those limited groups, it did have a huge effect on selecting people for layoff, when people of a whole division were compared to each other.
Early in my career I had the misfortune to experience a supervisor change from an "everybody is a genius" type of guy to a "no one in my group is anywhere near perfect" character. My rating plunged. Anyway, I complained, and the supervisor grudgingly (he didn't like me very much) made a substantial adjustment.
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Plus, he mentioned Reading.
R H Draney dadoc...@spamcop.net
Skitt filted: My employer used to have explanatory verbiage for each of the ratings we could be given in Performance Reviews, thus: 1 = "far exceeds expectations" 2 = "exceeds expectations" 3 = "meets expectations" 4 = "fails to meet expectatations" 5 = well, I don't remember exactly, but it meant you wouldn't be getting rated at all the following year....
I argued to anyone who stood still long enough, unconvincingly it seems, that if you had a lot of ratings for detailed aspects of job performance, you couldn't just average such scores to combine them...if you received a 1 in all bar one of the sub-areas making up a major category, but a 4 in that one, you should only rate a 4 for the aggregate rating because there was some expectation within that category that you'd failed to meet....
Similarly, a single 2 in a category otherwise consisting of 3s should yield an aggregate of 2; you had met all expectations and exceeded at least one, so you had exceeded expectations for the combination....
Logic, however, has nothing to do with performance ratings, and averaging continued until they redefined the criteria for ***igning scores....
Some of us also took issue with the use of "expectations" to score against...it seemed obvious that the best way to ensure good ratings was to get the people handing them out to expect poor performance, and then to surprise them...this tactic, however, was seldom put to the test....r
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The university where I worked did performance and workload evaluations last year to decide who should be sacked. Research performance was rated by a formula involving things like number of publications, number of successful postgraduate graduations, and so on, but when the figures were calculated it was found that there were huge discrepancies between Faculties. (The university was, as is the practice here in Australia, divided up into a number of Faculties, which are themselves groupings of several discipline areas.) To solve this problem, the results were normalised so that every Faculty had the same average.
The result, of course, was that those Faculties with lots of high performers were more likely to lose staff.
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