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th ...@btinternet.com (Theta)
Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters U.S. Department of Justice Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section,1995 Methylphenidate (Ritalin) 1. Ritalin is a Schedule II stimulate, structurally and pharmacologically similar to amphetamines and cocaine and has the same dependency profile of cocaine and other stimulants.
2. Ritalin produces amphetamine and cocaine-like reinforcing effects including increased rate of euphoria and drug liking. Treatment with Ritalin in childhood predisposes takers to cocaine's reinforcing effects.
3. In humans, chronic administration of Ritalin produced tolerance and showed cross-tolerance with cocaine and amphetamines.
4. Ritalin is chosen over cocaine in self-administered preference studies in non-human primates.
5. Ritalin produces behavioral, physiological and reinforcing effects similar to amphetamines.
6. Ritalin substitutes for cocaine and amphetamines in scientific studies.
7. Children medicated with Ritalin who tried cocaine reported higher levels of drug dependence than those who had not used Ritalin.
8. Ritalin abuse is neither benign or rare in occurrence and is accurately described as producing severe dependence.
9. Sweden removed Ritalin from its market in 1968 because of widespread abuse.
10. More high school seniors were abusing Ritalin than those taking it medically prescribed.
11. Side-effects or Ritalin: increased blood pressure, heart rate, respirations and temperature; appetite suppression, weight loss, growth retardation; facial tics, muscle twitching, central nervous system stimulation, euphoria, nervousness, irritability and agitation, psychotic episodes, violent behavior, paranoid delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behaviors, heart arrhythmias, palpitations and high blood pressure; tolerance and psychological dependence and death.
12. Ritalin will affect normal children and adults the same as those with attention and behavior problems. Effectiveness of Ritalin is not diagnostic.
13. CHADD, non-profit organization, which promotes the use of Ritalin, also receives a great deal of money from the drug manufacturer of Ritalin. CHADD does not inform its members of the abuse problems of Ritalin. CHADD portrays the drug as a benign, mild stimulant that is not ***ociated with abuse of serious side-effects. Statements by CHADD are inconsistent with scientific literature.
14. The International Narcotics Control Board expressed concern that CHADD is actively lobbying for the use of Ritalin in children.
15. Ritalin is one of the top ten drugs involved in drug thefts and is being abused by health professionals as well as street addicts.
Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters "We must aim to make [Psychiatry[ permeate every educational activity in our national life. We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them, naturally, are the teaching profession and the Church. The two most difficult are law and medicine. ..Public life, politics and industry should all of them be within our sphere of influence. ..If we are to infiltrate the professional and social activities of other people I think we must imitate the totalitarians and organise some kind of fifth column activity. If better ideas on mental health are to progress and spread we, as the salesmen, must lose our identity. ..Let us all, therefore, very secretly be fifth columnists." Psychiatrist, J. R. Rees, "Strategic Planning for Mental Health", National Council for Mental Hygiene UK, June 18 1940.
"Psychiatry must now decide what is to be the immediate future of the human race. No one else can." Psychiatrist, G. Brock Chisolm, Reestablishment/The Responsibility of Psychiatry." 1945.
"Jeff" kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Do you have recent peer-reviewed evidence to back these claims? A site on an MSN group does not count.
Jeff
wri ...@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
I'd be a lot more likely to believe this one is real if I saw it on the DoJ's own web site. I'm not that up-to-date on Ritalin, but I seem to recall that the supposed structural similarity of cocaine and methylphendiate is a chemistry urban legend. Just for starters.
I notice the web site has a whole ton of references to articles by Peter Breggin. That says a great deal all by itself.
Is this "psychbusters" web site some Scientology front, or is it something else?
1940? Well, that's right up to the minute, isn't it? Also, it's hard for me to believe that a British organization would have referred to itself as a "fifth column" in 1940. Or, to put it another way, I seriously doubt the authenticity of the quotation.
1945. Again, up to the minute.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Joe Parsons a...@yankeemedia.n3t
This is *not* a DEA or DoJ document--contrary to the way it has been represented.
Joe Parsons
"Jeff" kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Methylphenidate does work like cocaine, including similar actions on the same receptors. Except that it wears off a lot more slowly. That greatly affects the pharmacology of these two drugs.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Jeff
Peter Bowditch myfirstn...@ratbags.com
Given the source and the content, only a fool or a Scientologist (non-exclusive OR) would believe that it was not a fabrication.
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kramtreborp1 ...@hotmail.com (Kram Treborp)
This "report" is a forgery. It is not found anywhere on the US DEA website. It containsstatements never made or authorized by the DEA.
Obviously Theta, a $cientology word, is a member of the Cult of $cientology.
Jan will buy into this evil, anti-Christian cult.
jake inva...@invalid.com
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct051600.htm Abuse Liability Extensive scientific literature spanning over 30 years of research unequivocally indicates that both methylphenidate and amphetamine have high abuse liabilities: They are self-administered by laboratory animals and humans; They produce discriminative stimulus effects similar to cocaine in laboratory animals and humans; They will substitute for each other and for cocaine in a number of paradigms in both animal and human subjects; Chronic high dose administration of either drug in animals produces psychomotor stimulant toxicity including weight loss, stereotypic movements and death; and In clinical studies, they produce behavioral, psychological, subjective, and reinforcing effects similar to cocaine.
In more simplistic terms, this data means that neither animals nor humans can tell the difference between cocaine, amphetamine, or methylphenidate when they are administered the same way at comparable doses. In short, they produce effects that are nearly identical.
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In addition, numerous states have reported "Attention Deficit Scams" (a parent or other adult who takes a child who purportedly has ADHD to a number of physicians to obtain methylphenidate prescriptions- the adult obtains the drug for their own use or to sell or trade for other drugs).
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The magnitude and significance of methylphenidate diversion and trafficking is comparable to pharmaceutical drugs of similar abuse potential and availability (like morphine sulfate). There is little doubt that Schedule II controls and the lack of clandestine production have limited the illegal use of this drug. However, reports of methylphenidate misuse/abuse among adolescents and young adults is particularly disturbing since this is the group that has the greatest access to this drug. Adolescents don't have to rob a pharmacy, forge a prescription or visit the local drug dealer to acquire methylphenidate
- they have little difficulty obtaining it from a friend or cl***mate at school. Reports from numerous states and local municipalities indicate that: Adolescents are giving and selling their methylphenidate medication to friends and cl***mates who are frequently crushing the tablets and snorting the powder like cocaine.
Anecdotal reports from students and faculty on college campuses indicate that methylphenidate is being used as a study aid and a party drug in the same manner that amphetamine was used on campuses in the 1960s.
The extent to which adolescents are abusing methylphenidate is unknown. The following data suggests that the number is small and has increased with the availability of this drug. In 1994, the national high school survey (Monitoring the Future) reported that about one percent of all seniors in the U.S. used Ritalin in the previous year without a doctor's order. In 1999, that percentage increased to about three. In 1990, there were 271 estimated emergency room mentions for methylphenidate in DAWN (Drug Abuse Warning Network). In 1998, there were 1,727 mentions for methylphenidate in DAWN of which about 56 percent were for ages 10-17. A 1996 DEA survey of three states (Wisconsin, South Carolina and Indiana) found that about 30 to 50 percent of adolescents in treatment centers were reporting "non-medical" use of methylphenidate although it was not identified as their primary drug of abuse. A 1998 Indiana University survey of 44,232 students found that nearly seven percent of high school students surveyed reported using Ritalin illicitly at least once and 2.5 percent reported using it monthly or more often. Anecdotal reports relating to the illicit use of methylphenidate among children continue to be reported to DEA on a daily basis.
In conclusion, amphetamine and methylphenidate can significantly improve the symptoms of ADHD when these mediations are appropriately prescribed and used. However, the inappropriate use of these stimulants carries significant risks. The data show that methylphenidate has a high abuse potential. It is ***ociated with diversion and trafficking and is abused for its psychic effects. The extent of these activities is similar to other pharmaceutical Schedule II substances. However, unlike other Schedule II drugs, methylphenidate is primarily prescribed to children. Information from physicians, parents, schools, poison control centers, adolescent treatment centers, surveys, and law enforcement data, suggest that adolescents who are using this drug illicitly obtain it from individuals that have been prescribed this drug for ADHD. Probably the single most disturbing trend is that adolescents do not view abuse of this drug as serious. The DEA continues to urge the proactive effort of many groups including physicians, parents, school officials, and law enforcement to evaluate the use of these drugs in their communities. Continued increases in the medical prescription of these drugs without the appropriate safeguards to ensure medication compliance and accountability can only lead to increased stimulant abuse among U.S. children.
__ "In its recent infatuation with symptomatic, push-button remedies, psychiatry has lost its way not only intellectually but spiritually and morally. Even when it is not actually doing damage to the people it is supposed to help,??¦it is encouraging among doctors and patients alike the fraudulent and dangerous fantasy that life's every p***ing 'symptom' can be clinically diagnosed and, once diagnosed, alleviated if not eliminated by pharmacological intervention." Paul R. McHugh Professor of Psychiatry, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
Chris Leithiser cleit...@bc.cc.ca.us
Affiliated with $cientology...of course.
"Bluntly, we are out to replace medicine in the next three years." L.Ron Hubbard - 1952 They're a little behind.
"We are out to eradicate psychiatry by the year 2000" David Miscavige, 1995. Again, a little behind.
Sounds like they're doing a _whole_ lot better at it than the cult of $cientology. For starters, psychiatry has millions more satisfied customers.
Chris Leithiser cleit...@bc.cc.ca.us
Hmmm...funny you should ask. If they aren't, perhaps they've got permission from $cientology to use the name, which is registered to: 09/13/03 02:37:01 whois psychbusters....@whois.geektools.com [. . .] Results: Registrant: goclear.com 4166 Garden Ave.
A Los Angeles, CA 90039 US Domain name: PSYCHBUSTERS.NET Administrative Contact: Sloat, Floyd floydsl...@earthlink.net 4166 Garden Ave.
A Los Angeles, CA 90039 US 3239137946
Chris Leithiser cleit...@bc.cc.ca.us
Keep in mind that DEA comes at this from a _non-medical_, law-enforcement standpoint. When I need medical advice, I go to a doctor, not a cop. The FDA cl***ifies Ritalin as a mild stimulant, and cocaine as a topical anesthetic, for example.
"Mark Probert" markprob...@lumbercartel.com
According to Volkow's studies, the difference is not in the wearing off, but the slowness of MPH to become effective, and this is often determined by the means of administration. Oral administration of the med is the slowest.
"Mark Probert" markprob...@lumbercartel.com
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That is not the article that Theta posted. Thus, you must agree that Theta lied.
*ANYTHING* can be abused. that is NOT the issue. It is proper use. Proper use prevents drug addiction 6:1.
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"SumBuny" sumbunyTHIS_DOES_NOT_BELONG_H...@cox.net
HEADERS TRIMMED TO ASAD ...
Don't even get me started on the abuse and addiction of DHMO...which is pushed on innocent kids by teachers all the time...and can be fatal.
Buny
jake inva...@invalid.com
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:36:04 GMT, "Mark Probert" not at all..
The article may have well have been removed from the DEA website.
the DEA position statement remains precisely the same In more simplistic terms, this data means that neither animals nor humans can tell the difference between cocaine, amphetamine, or methylphenidate when they are administered the same way at comparable doses. In short, they produce effects that are nearly identical.
fair point However the DEA concerns itself with actual drug abuse not potentiality . It is proper use. Proper I am not too sure of that..treatment guidlines are not set in stone possibly millions became addicted to benzos via "proper use" and when the recipients are children the need for greater scrutiny should be self-evident.
"Mark Probert" markprob...@lumbercartel.com
Correct. It is not on the DOJ website. I wonder how the DOJ would respond if they knew about this? Where is De**ee when we really need her?
Quite true. Have you read Prof. Barkley's response to Breggin? Dr. Shaler's letter of resignation from Breggin front group, the one where he says Breggin willingly lies under oath? Did you know about his affiliatation with the Kriminal Kult of $cientology?
More like a $cientology rear end.
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Joe Parsons a...@yankeemedia.n3t
DEA *specifically* concerns itself with "potentiality." Have any doubts? Read the criteria by which any substance is Scheduled under CSA.
Why don't you get yourself some education, Bob? It's not all that complicated.
Can you say "straw man?" I knew you could.
Joe Parsons
jake inva...@invalid.com
no ..is this relevant to whether ritalin is nearly identical with cocaine as the DEA says?
the only problem is that the DEA reports or not there..at least they do not come up on the search engine Please do..thanks to stalkers like you and your unholy alliance with your partner in crime Andrew (Alexplore) Chmilewsky my address is take care ..they also arrest people :>) can you say " sneering pompous prig" ?
I knew you could your tired stale mantra doesnt really hack it..
the bezo example shows people CAN become addicted with socalled "proper" use of drugs
Joe Parsons a...@yankeemedia.n3t
As I said: you may have to (*gasp*) search somewhere other than the worldwide web.
There's a whole big, wonderful world out there, Bob; put out that cigarette, get dressed and go explore.
Big surprise, since DEA is a law enforcement organization under DoJ. Ah, but here you have a problem, Bob. I couldn't possibly be a "prig" based on the accusations you and your girlfriend have seem to be so fond of leveling at me. Not that there's a scintilla of legitimacy to any of them, mind you--but you really have to decide whether you're going to call me a reprobate or a "prig." The two are mutually exclusive.
And yet you still display your willingness to accept something as true, merely because it was published on the Internet somewhere.
It doesn't change the fact, though, does it, Bob?
"CAN" <> "WILL" and "bezo" [sic] <> "all prescription drugs" Is this your "A" game?
Joe Parsons
jake inva...@invalid.com
what part of "In short, they produce effects that are nearly identical. " do you not understand?
In more simplistic terms, this data means that neither animals nor well at least you appear to finally accept the common knowledge that the risk is there.
of course I think its rather a question of the vagueness of your reference.
perhaps you are unaware that the DEA has a FOIA electronic reading room?
I can only come up with the same things "theta" said which you dispute though http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/methylphenidate.html Briefs & Background Methylphenidate Methylphenidate, a Schedule II substance, has a high potential for abuse and produces many of the same effects as cocaine or the amphetamines. The abuse of this substance has been documented among narcotic addicts who dissolve the tablets in water and inject the mixture. Complications arising from this practice are common due to the insoluble fillers used in the tablets. When injected, these materials block small blood vessels, causing serious damage to the lungs and retina of the eye. Binge use, psychotic episodes, cardiovascular complications, and severe psychological addiction have all been ***ociated with methylphenidate abuse.
Methylphenidate is used legitimately in the treatment of excessive daytime sleepiness ***ociated with narcolepsy, as is the newly marketed Schedule IV stimulant, modafinil (Provigil?®). However; the primary legitimate medical use of methylphenidate (Ritalin?®, Methylin?®, Concerta?®) is to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in children. The increased use of this substance for the treatment of ADHD has paralleled an increase in its abuse among adolescents and young adults who crush these tablets and snort the powder to get high. Youngsters have little difficulty obtaining methylphenidate from cl***mates or friends who have been prescribed it. Greater efforts to safeguard this medication at home and school are needed If you are referring to your telephone business..it is a business you have advertised to the point of being accused of spamming.
Although your ADHD girlfiends do not find it demeaning and degrading many enlightened women do.
on the contrary.. such role conflict is fairly common the poster in question said CAN'T IIRC "proper use" was presented as some kind of safeguard against addiction. It is not.
Surely you know it is lame to flame typos?
<> "all prescription drugs" benzos are rapidly addictive and millions suffered from "proper use"..or do you dispute this too..
I have no idea ..you will have to explain your slang
jake inva...@invalid.com
Hving recently arrived back from a 30,000 mile trip I am aware of this..perhaps you should take your own advice?
ps. I gave up smoking on it actually...
Mark D Morin mdmp...@nospsmgwi.net
comparable doses is the key word. What's the mg equivalent for ritalin of 1 mg of cocaine?
jake inva...@invalid.com
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:58:05 -0400, Mark D Morin of course I dont know but I would guess a lot
"Roger Schlafly" roge...@mindspring.com
It is true, whether the DEA says it or not.
Joe Parsons a...@yankeemedia.n3t
When I drive a car, there is a risk that I may be involved in an accident. I don't know of anyone who will claim that *any* human activity is utterly risk-free--but we participate in those activities because we deem the risk to be acceptable.
And yet you, who apparently have no idea of what this experimental design is, seem to be completely comfortable with trumpeting the supposedly grave risks of this particular medication.
You might have had at least some smidgen of credibility if you had done your homework. Too late now. Way too late.
What could you possibly find vague in what I said? On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:07:57 GMT, in alt.support.attn-deficit I wrote: And you think the "reading room" has all their publications? As useful a resource as the Worldwide Web can be, it is not the repository of all human knowledge. Some of the lazy may wish it so, but that's just not the case.
Now you're just being disingenuous. What "theta" represented as being a DEA publication was not as represented--and it was certainly not this one.
[snip unapplicable quote] Bob, you have been accused of being a child molester and a Scientologist. Is there any credence to those accusations?
You have no idea whether I have any "girlfriends" of any sort, and I did have any, you would have no idea what they thought about *anything*.
Nice try. But no. Listen, Bob--if you're going to level insults, at least try to make them *good* ones; make them interesting and creative. You're wide of the mark here. Way wide.
Please try to keep up, won't you, Bob? *You* were "the poster in question." On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:36:01 +0100, in alt.support.attn-deficit you wrote: Actually, the use of [sic] is just proper usage. I didn't realize you were so sensitive about your spelling. I'll try to keep it in mind if I respond to you in the future.
Irrelevant.
I'm sure you can find an explanation somewhere in the web of what "'A' game" means. I'd certainly hate to seem sneeringly pompous by explaining it to you.
Joe Parsons
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