Natural Family Planning: A secret no more
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"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
Sexual intercorse, when sought for any other reason than to make babies, is sinful. Any "man of the cloth" who believes otherwise has been listening to the wrong angel when they pray. This does not mean that sexual intercourse should neither be pleasurable nor "a deep binding experiance," but its motives need to be monitered by each participant.
"Gabby" Lavolan...@msn.com
Bull, the Church doesn't teach that. Actually, for years it taught that the woman could not say no when the husband wanted to have sex (unless immediately post-partum or deathly ill). She had to do her duty. "Making a baby" didn't have to be the reason HE wanted sex.
Suzanne
"Saudade" saud...@ahora.net
This method is also known as Billing's Method. It really works, if you use it correctly.
Give it a try.
Saudade ...
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"Saudade" saud...@ahora.net
Wake up! We're in the 21st century!
Saudade ...
Stephanie Rendino bea...@nospam.sympatico.ca
You haven't read any theology of marriage since the Middle Ages, have you, Skeetor?
renonativ ...@aol.com (Monica)
<Sexual intercorse, when sought for any other reason than to make babies, is sinful.> If this were true, then I better not get married again because I had to undergo a hysterectomy for medical reasons, being my life was in danger. I guess I'm just never supposed to have intercourse as long as I live, by what you've said above. Can you restate that so we understand what exactly it is you're saying skeetor?
<Any "man of the cloth" who believes otherwise has been listening to the wrong angel when they pray. This does not mean that sexual intercourse should neither be pleasurable nor "a deep binding experiance," but its motives need to be monitered by each participant.> Monitored for what? Monica "Our greatest vision comes from our heart. It allows us to see everything, even if we are blind."
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
you've>said>above. Can you restate that so we understand what exactly it is you're>saying should>neither be pleasurable nor "a deep binding experiance," but its motives need>to be monitered by each participant.> Hello Monica, it isn't true at all. In fact, I posted a q&a from EWTN recently from someone who had her tubes tied and she was told to confess it and still have sex. If your sterilization was due to disease then you have no sin at all.
For skeetor-
Sometimes it is so clear why I left this church. Even people in it don't know what in the hell is going on at any given time. If it's sex, and it feels dirty and wrong, then you must be Catholic:-) Dawn
Paula Mackel spock...@bellsouth.net
the 'mucous' thing...
once was 'billings' method.
Paula
Laura Gonzalez nos...@home.net
Meaning you shouldn't get too carried away with the pleasure part. It could lead to unchastity.
"Bruce LaMore" bkl2...@ev1.net
cTDl8.112342$Yd.5691...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com You left the Church cause "Skeeter" doesn't know what's going on?
If it's sex, and it feels dirty And you claim othere don't know what's going on?????
Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaa.....
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Bruce In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon"...
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
You always show such intelligence in your posts that I don't even need to comment :-) When is the last time you posted anything that actually mattered?
Dawn
"Karen" nos...@nospam.com
I'm still waiting for his first intelligent post!
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Karen I really wouldn't care if they found out that a third of the population of priests was not only molesting children but then killing and eating them as well. I just really don't care.
"skeetor" <skee...@bellsouth.net.
19/03/2002
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
LOL, don't hold your breathe! Dawn
"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
I am not sure if there IS an infallible teaching "on the books" either way, this is just my opinion. I will accept anything the church teaches.
Thats because it was ***umed that the man was... well just that, a MAN who knew what was right. There was much more responsibility placed upon a man's shoulders in those days, sometimes they took advantage of it.
"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
that's what Satan tells us every day... we should resist.
"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
no, these are my personal thoughts.
"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
cTDl8.112342$Yd.5691...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com Sexual intercourse, when sought for the pleasure value alone, is sinful. I do not believe, however, that having sex after a hysterectomy operation is sinful. If God wants you to have children, you will have children, uterus or not. I am reminded of the story in the bible of John the baptists mother who laughed at God when he said she would have a child, she said something about p***ing the age to have children by quite a few years.
intent. Intent is of extreme importance, and we should all be mindful of our own.
"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
I am not sure what you believe, but you feel that something is wrong and you do it anyway it is probably a sin. In the story of Genesis we received the power to discern between what is good and what is bad, and consequently got thrown out of the garden. It is a tremendous power and it should be listened to.
Stephanie Rendino bea...@nospam.sympatico.ca
You may find reading teachings from the medieval penitentials through Casti Connubii through the lastest by JPII on the subject interesting.
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
Yes. Lets go back to the 13th century or wherever skeetor thinks he/she is!
Dawn
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
You seem a bit obsessed with satan skeetor -for you : SYMPTOMS OF RELIGIOUS ADDICTION ?© Paschal Baute 1993 Inability to think, doubt, or question religious information and/or authority Black-and-white, good/bad, either/or simplistic thinking: one way or the other Shame-based belief that you aren't good enough or you aren't doing it right Magical thinking that God will fix you/ do it all, without serious work on your part Scrupulosity: rigid obsessive adherence to rules, codes of ethics, or guidelines Uncompromising judgmental attitudes: readiness to find fault or evil out there Compulsive or obsessive praying, going to church or crusades, quoting scripture Unrealistic financial contributions Believing that sex is dirty; believing our bodies or physical pleasures are evil Compulsive overeating and/or excessive fasting Conflict and argumentation with science, medicine, and education Progressive detachment from the real work, isolation and breakdown of relationships Psychosomatic illness: back pains, sleeplessness, headaches, hypertension Manipulating scripture or texts, feeling specially chosen, claiming to receive special messages from God Maintaining a religious "high", trance-like state, keeping a happy face (or the belief that one should...) Attitude of righteousness or superiority: "we versus the world," including the denial of one's human-ness.
Confusion, great doubts, mental, physical or emotional breakdown, cries for help The ultimate temptation of the believer is to ***ume that his or her way to God is the best or only way for others. The particular Way to God becomes what is adored, not the ineffable and incomprehensible Mystery to which we give the name of God.
In essence we have become addicted to the certainty, sureness or sense of security that our faith provides. It is no longer a living by faith, with hope and growing in unconditional love.
adapted from When God Becomes a Drug, by Leo Booth Please get help -- Dawn
"Gabby" Lavolan...@msn.com
The Cathechism of the Catholic Church disagrees with you: 2362: The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and pleasure: The Creator himself. . .established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what teh Creator has intended for them. Pius XII, Discourse, October 29, 1951 Suzanne
"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
Wow, this is tripe...on a whole different level!! you should be proud of yourself.
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"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
I really doubt it, i had enough trouble pushing myself through basic "belief" theology.
"skeetor" skee...@bellsouth.net
I really don't see how this is different from what I said, the emphesis is just in a different place.
I have no problem with people looking forward to the "pleasure and enjoyment" of intercourse, but if that is the only intention that brings forth the act it is sinful.
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