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"s_knight8" s_knight8nos...@hotmail.com
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/kobebryanttrial/3600984/detail.html Here are some of the bottom lines on these redacted transcript revelations about victim's compensation money for this alleged victim of Kobe Bryant --
$17,000 is an extraordinary amount of money to pay for mental health counseling. Of course, this is an extraordinary case.
What exactly was the mental health counseling? Did it include drug and alcohol rehabilitation? If so, wouldn't it be necessary for the Crime Victim's Compensation Board to draw a connection between a victim's drug and alcohol problem and the alleged crime? What if there was evidence that the victim had a pre-existing condition which involved overdoses well before she had any encounter with the alleged perpetrator?
I sought the answers to these questions this past winter when this issue first appeared to be a subject in this case. I spoke to the heads of two metro Denver crime victim compensation boards. They indicated that their Crime Victim Compensation Boards never had authorized drug and/or alcohol treatment for a victim of sexual ***ault because the nexus of rape to substance abuse could never be properly established. I did not even bring up to them the possibility of a pre-existing condition.
So who makes up the Crime Victim Compensation Board in a judicial district?
Interestingly enough, there are three members, all of whom are appointed by the District Attorney in the judicial district. The law reads as follows: (1) There is hereby created in each judicial district a crime victim compensation board. Each board shall be composed of three members to be appointed by the district attorney. The district attorney shall designate one of the members as chairman. To the extent possible, members shall fairly reflect the population of the judicial district.
According to the redacted transcript, the accuser of Kobe Bryant has apparently received over $2,200 in lost earning compensation. Fifth Judicial District DA Mark Hulbert, when this issue first arose in this litigation, wrote on March 16, 2004 that: The only compensation provided to the victim and/or family by a government agency is through the Crime Victim's Compensation fund as reimbursement for psychological counseling. The first the People have heard of any request for Crime Victim's Compensation records was in their (the defense) motions filed March 15, 2004.
Lots of insinuations of misconduct on the part of Pamela Mackey were printed in this morning's papers. How dare Pamela Mackey accuse the alleged victim of having a financial incentive? This is in the same case where, as in other prior high-profile cases, witnesses have been considered not worthy of belief if they took a few hundred dollars from any tabloid reporter.
The feisty Ms. Mackey even accused the alleged victim of making a false accusation which has not been retracted in part because of the resulting possible need to pay back the victim's compensation money.
A tabloid theme rang through the accuser's attorney, John Clune's, accusatory statements against Mackey in today's Vail Daily article authored by Randy Wyrick: The attorney for the alleged victim in the Kobe Bryant rape case was livid over defense team accusations that she concocted her story to get money from a victims compensation fund, calling them "tabloid accusations." In sanitized transcripts of a June 21 hearing released Thursday, Bryant's defense attorney Pamela Mackey said the alleged victim "has profited to an enormous amount -- $20,000." The alleged victim's attorney, John Clune, was furious with Mackey's ***ertion Thursday.
"The suggestion by Ms. Mackey that this family has profited from this case is disgusting," said Clune.
The alleged victim received medical treatment following the June 30, 2003, incident with Bryant in his suite at the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera. Part of those expenses were covered by the Crime Victims' Compensation Fund, which helps people offset medical expenses related to a crime that aren't covered by insurance.
Mackey argued that the jury should hear how much money changed hands in the alleged victim's treatment. She also said if the alleged victim is lying --
and Mackey ***erted in court that she is -- that money would have to be repaid.
Clune took offense.
"Her argument is nothing but tabloid accusations filled with misinformation," he said.
He said the fund won't come close to covering his client's family's "huge" expenses connected with the case.
"Although the family greatly appreciates statewide programs like the Crime Victims Compensation Fund, the amounts paid in this case are a mere fraction of the financial burden they have incurred as a result of simply reporting a crime," said Clune.
"I wonder how these expenses stack up to one week of billing from Bryant's defense team." Other analysts pointed out that the state cap for mental health counseling is $20,000 and claimed Pamela Mackey's ***ertion of a $1,125 limit made no sense. To the contrary, local boards make up their own limits and section 11.14 of the 5th Judicial District Crime Victim Compensation Program Policy and Procedures states as follows: The CVC Board will pay a maximum of $75 for mental health therapy. The total amount paid for mental health treatment has been set by the CVC Board at $1,125.00. If additional therapy beyond the $1,125 limit is required, a treatment review form must be completed by the therapist and submitted to the CVC Board for approval.
Pre-existing conditions preclude compensation. Mental health treatment programs are supposed to have some connection to Colorado. Lots of rules exist and the question arises whether this alleged victim's compensation complied with all of them. Some suggest it does not matter. Team Kobe apparently feels that it does. Judge Ruckriegle apparently found the defense showing sufficient to allow the jury to consider the issue. As with everything else, it will be up to the jury to determine what is important and what is not.
The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Colorado's Rape Shield law trumps the prohibition against prior restraint censorship. There was no mention of Colorado's Victim Compensation law having similar trumping power. Yet the Court has redacted most of the discussion of where the $17,000 in mental health counseling money went. Seven media organizations know the answer. It may only be a matter of time before the rest of us know.
Bob boby23...@hotmail.com
Any bets on the number of men on the board? Does an all women board "fairly reflect the population"?
Mackey probably accused Faber of making a false accusation because Faber made a false accusation. No need to retract the truth.
LOL. A minimum wage hotel maid getting $17,000 for fabricating a lie?
Does anyone think a minimum wage crack whore would do that?
Yes, Faber is disgusting.
That's their problem. The crack whore should not have falsely accused an innocent man.
Treatment for her cocaine and alcohol problems was probably needed. A drug high was probably why she was out ****ing so many men instead of going home to bed like a decent woman.
This whole case shows how far from justice the rape-hate industry has gone.
Bob
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When did we divide into sides?
"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.]
nastyg ...@hotmail.com (Zeb Quinn)
<snip tripe> Hey, obsessed nimrod: I posted this before, but you ran away and refused to answer. So I ask these things again.
Why do you spend so much of your personal time defending a spoiled, self-centered, takes-whatever-he-wants-without-asking, ka-zillionaire who nobody, and I mean NOBODY, who knows him personally likes, especially not even any of his own teammates? And all that's before we even get to the question of whether he's a raper too, which also appears quite likely.
Do you really think this selfish egocentric ***hole appreciates it?
What, do you think that he's going to be so overjoyed by you that he's going to toss some of his jack *your* way? Get a life, fool.
Or, maybe it's because you're already being paid by his spin machine.
Is that what it is? I guess that's a possibility. In fact, it's the only thing that makes sense. Are already on his bloated trash-the-victim spin machine payroll?
Sports Fan spo...@fan.home
Look in the mirror for a good example of one.
LOL.
It seems that you are being ignored, and you are still unable to realize that.
He is not defending.
He posted an article from other web sources, douche bag, learn to read.
I agree Kate is spoiled brat who needs to do time for falsely accusing others of rape.
Kobe worked hard to get where he is in the NBA.
Yep, Kate is self-centered.
She seeks attention, crying for money, and self admitted slut.
Actually she offered him sex, flirted with him all day, and insisted on going to his room to deliver drinks outside room service hours.
Ahhh, that's why you're angry and mad.
You're a loser, so anyone who makes money is a bad person in your eyes.
Really?
I though the entire Lakers organization said that he's a great person and this accusation doesn't make sense because it is out of character for Kobe.
How about Karl Malone?
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Playoffs/2004/05/28/477285-a... "It was all about the ring.
That being the case, his benevolent remark concerning teammate Kobe Bryant was quite touching.
"If I had a choice between winning a championship and making things better for that little brother, I'd probably help him out," Malone said after the Lakers beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 92-85 Thursday night for a 3-1 lead in the best-of-seven Western Conference final. " Oops, it seems that EVERYBODY likes Kobe.
Raper?
Is that a legal word, you self claimed 25 years law expert?
You seem to be a racist teenager.
He is posting what he finds, and nobody except a retard like you thinks that Wes is expecting anything in return.
He's been doing that for years, offers us a service that we all appreciate.
Posting news from even web sites that we don't have access too.
Next time get your facts straight before you attack someone that you know nothing about, ***wipe.
Take your own advice, junior.
What would a douche bag like you know about sense?
Speaking of being paid, look at what your idol slut got from the state to continue her lies.
I suggest that you grow up, and get a clue before you open your mouth.
Nobody here believes even for a second your claims of being a law veteran for 25 years.
And get a clue about these posts, Wes posts what he finds word for word, and while sometimes he puts some subject lines that are a bit provoking, but he doesn't add or remove anything from the articles that he finds on the web, authored by OTHERS.
You are attacking him for what OTHERS said, you idiot.
t ...@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
DENVER (Reuters) - Noted libel lawyer Lin Wood has been hired to represent the woman accusing basketball star Kobe Bryant of rape That would be: Law Offices L. Lin Wood Professional Corporation The Equitable Building Suite 2140 100 Peachtree Street Atlanta, Georgia 30303-1913 Phone: 404.522.1713 Fax: 404.522.1716 E-mail: llw...@linwoodlaw.com
nastyg ...@hotmail.com (Zeb Quinn)
If I were busted and outed for being a fool and/or for being on Kobe's payroll and I had nothing to say in my own defense, then I'd ignore it too. But it won't work.
Kobe was born with the ability to be a good basketball player. No 17 year old playing basketball has "worked hard" and deserves to by a multimillionaire on account of working so hard. It's the ability he was blessed with that did that for him. He has, to his credit, worked hard to improve his skills since he's been in the NBA.
But he is also a self-centered, selfish egotist that nobody who knows him likes. The only people who like him are clueless Laker fans who don't know him and who would also cheer proudly for Saddam Hussein if he wore a Lakers uniform. The people on his payroll or who otherwise financially benefit from him do his bidding and pretend to like him.
You know, people like his lawyers and those who work for them and those who work for The Kobe Spin Machine. But it's clear that he had to buy them to substitute as his friends because he has none, and that he even bought his spouse (and he continues to pay her off so she won't dump him). Wake up.
And yeah, I believe the victim.
kreja ...@yahoo.com
Whoa, does he play center???
ScorpionK ...@attNOSPAM.net
On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:39:03 -0700, Larry Coon <lmcoon@nospam_cox.net> wrote: LMAO
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