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"Galadriel" galadriel_...@hotmail.com
I want to apologize to you for calling you names. There is no reason for that. You will either learn, in time, to be an adult or you will not. It's really none of my business. It upsets me to read such cynical, negative stuff from a kid, but I am not your mother.
Most women who are married "do stuff" besides sit around the house. Most households require two paychecks to pay the bills, so you see, your "theories" are not all that accurate. And some of us CHOOSE never to have children, too. I made that decision long ago and I've never regretted it --
BUT I would never look down my nose at a woman who enjoys motherhood.
There are all kinds of people in the world, Hana. One person's mistakes are another's joys. Some people, like myself, never wanted kids and so didn't have them. Good for me, but women who have one child or three or a dozen who genuinely WANT those kids are not making a mistake. They are not stupid or whores or wrong. They are doing precisely what they want to do.
Some women stay home and care for their houses and kids. I would hate that because I've worked all my life, but some women find fulfillment and joy in doing that. Who am I to judge them?
Everyone doesn't have to be you, Hana. It's perfectly fine to each be ourselves and find joy, love, and fulfillment whatever we do and however we choose to do it. That's our business and not yours just as how you live your life is not my business.
By the way, I married a poor man. I knew he was poor when I met him and when I married him. We're no richer now because we like to spend our money on fun together, but we're happy.
One thing you will learn when you get older is that MOST people will not accept or appreciate your judgements or your opinions. Some simply will not care what you think. Others will find you objectionable and avoid you. If that is how you choose to live, I won't look down on you for it, but I think it's a shame.
G.
gekko ba0gofl...@sneakemail.com
<attrib>"Greasy, grimey gopher guts, and me without my spoon," lamented "Galadriel" <galadriel_...@hotmail.com>, who went on in to bemoan:</attrib> I, too, think it's a shame, which is why I've chosen to harangue her from time to time. She -is- a bright kid, but she -is- embittered and cynical. She possesses potential, but she's too caught up in p***ing judgement on others because they do not conform to her way of thinking. And her way of thinking is based on very little, as she has only the things others have pumped into her, and little of her own to go on.
Hana, it's easy to p*** judgement on others, and to employ ugly terms for people you do not know.
When I use an ugly term, Hana, it is against a specific person who exhibits a specific behavior. When you use one, it is to paint an entire population with the ugly term, without even understanding much about that population.
To you, any kid who attends summer school is stupid. When shown that many kids attend summer school in order to *accelerate*, you call them stupid for wanting to be better or get schooling over with so they can be free to enjoy their lives. You know nothing about them, but ***ume they are morons or pregnant teens or drug-abusers.
To you, any woman who, with her husband, has made the choice to stay home to raise their children and care for their home, regardless of the reason, is a whore who trades sex for provision.
You know nothing about these women, but you're willing to libel them.
You are no better than those who hate gays or blacks because of who they believe them to be. Bigotry, Hana, is born not of skin color, but of cultural differences. Being different is no reason to despise someone. It is an opportunity to learn about those people, though, and embrace their differences.
I still pray that you will grow up to be a lovely and *thinking* person, but right now you are an argumentative, bitchy, ignorant, bigotted, foolish little girl.
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sisdudleyba ...@aol.common (Helen Dudley Bates)
She's seventeen. It's required, I think. Rebellion. THEN growth.
- Helen http://www.dudleybates.com
animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
G said: Ok, and I'm cynical because reality is kinda grim. I'm naive and think there might be some way of being ok in the midst of the weirdness, but I'm sure lift will beat that theory out of me soon enough.
and more power to them. The ones that don't suck But I said housewives, not married women from the first, anyway. you can goggle that!
Aww, ain't that sweet? Buy me another planet while you're in candy lane.
Yea, but doing what you want to do can still be stupid(being in any situation where you can very easily be screwed up the arse without vasaline is pretty stupid), and what IS wrong, anyway?
You could say that about a lot of things, but we're going to do that anyway.
You may say that now, but gosh, you judged me, and you don't even know me.
You'd probably do worse the next time someone IRL screws up.
Yet you yelled at me for merely expressing ideas. Your actions then speak louder than your words now.
So? Most people probably think the sky pixie hates me or that I'm worth less because my clothes aren't as expensive as everyone elses'. What distingushes their ideas on this tack?
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Paul Heslop paul.hes...@cableinet.co.uk
My daughter, during her teens, almost destroyed me. She did so much damage, mentally and physically, to me that I doubted I would ever forgive her. She is now 26, still a bit daft, but she has her heart in the right place and she has given me something to treasure, a grandchild, and another is due anytime within the next month. We look back and sometimes we laugh, we kind of choose to slide over the hurtful times, but they never leave your mind, they just kind of get locked up in a little cupboard marked "Tell grand daughter about this when she is getting told off for being naughty" It works a treat, revenge is so so sweet! :O)
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pbutler ...@aol.com (PButler111)
Great idea, giving Hana all the attention she's been craving. I for one have had her in my killfile since about 3 seconds after she turned up here. What a shame it took the rest of you so long to catch on.
sisdudleyba ...@aol.common (Helen Dudley Bates)
Your panties a little tight this week?
Gekko apologized and this is what she gets?
I cannot see how Governor's school was a good thing, Hana, if your current behavior is an example of its efficacy.
- Helen http://www.dudleybates.com
gekko ba0gofl...@sneakemail.com
<attrib>"Greasy, grimey gopher guts, and me without my spoon," lamented sisdudleyba...@aol.common (Helen Dudley Bates), who went on in to bemoan:</attrib> <psst. that was the elf, not the lizard.> <but good point>
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the lizard, not the elf Got to be careful. I almost used an emoticon here.
animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
nancy said: So basically, you do something that's not going to help becuase why?
You can't be embittered til you're old. I'm cynical because raindrops keep fallin' on my head along with freaking drainpipes at times,.
But you do the same thing-you yell at me, you are mean to the other newsgroup people and you judge us. and then you yell at me and wonder why I do not listen.
But if I believed in the whole clean shaven 'get married, have 2.5 kids, breastfeed, and go to church a lot' thing, you wouldn't yell at me, but it'd be based on the same moonbeams and smoke up the behind.
But you called me a bigot and now you moralize!
So basically, if you do something bad, it's right and if I do the same thing, it's the worst thing ever? So basically, I'm being punished for not being you.
Nice lady.
Actually, I set the 1% aside as exceptions. People who fail easy cl***es(like 99.9999999999999% of all cl***es) usually don't do the work. Hence a lack of motivation, hence the bad outcome.
Think about what is at the heart of it. A man and a woman go together for reproduction(i.e. sex) and then the woman(even if the children are school age)quits all captial producing actitives(even though studies have shown that housewives only spend like what? an hour more with their kids than working wives- where does the rest of that time go?) and as for the mindset of people who go seeking this kind of thing- this sums it up<warning- you must be over 13 to view this image!> http://www.ericbischoff.com/images/001.jpg Actually, it's the mindset that gets me. Something about basing your whole life around one thing that anyone can do is a bit..well..it's like you haven't even thought out your options It's also annoying because after your reproductive abilty wanes, you are left with these really scary women. You know the ones always trying to look young and hot even though they are all old and stuff?
You'd expect them to be enjoying their old age instead of scaring lil kids with their attempt to be young...
I don't dislike 'em,, really. It's really the actions that annoy me more than the people. It's like people who shoot folk. You don't nessicarily dislike them but you don't like the high medical bills they cause.
You judged me, called me names and swore at me in one paragraph. That just ruined your whole message.
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sisdudleyba ...@aol.common (Helen Dudley Bates)
My mistake. Thanks ; )
- Helen (never too proud to display shameful emoticons)
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animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
Helen said: In the last paragraph, she called me names. That mean she doesn't mean it, and you know so. If I did the same thing, think of what your response would be. I'm just allegic to hypocrites like nancy.
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animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
Helen said: Actually, I don't think I shall ever like the kind of person who apologized and pretends to be friendly at first and then insults a person.
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Pbutler said: Peope give you the attention you crave. I mean really, why else would you bitch so much and then killfile anyone who dares to argue if you didn't want attention. I face people like nancy who is a backstabbing something, and you run away from honest inquiry.
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Paul said: Yes, but you probably didn't call your daughter names and mean it. and you probably weren't an awful hypocrite either. If you were, I'd applaud her for ignoring you.
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gekko ba0gofl...@sneakemail.com
galadriel apologized. i insulted you for being a cheeky little bigotted bitch.
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animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
nancy said: Oooh, I just can't tell you two apart. I mean really, you are both hypocritical old ladies that think that your word is holy writ or some crap. You both say BS about not judging, while then going on to judge me and insult me. You both insist on being given respect without earning any. Actually, what you have earned is anti-respect. Why don't you go back to misc.writing with the other busy bodies and leave the rest of us\ people who understand that one little idea different from yours isn't going to ruin YOUR life to live a wonderful life without your crap shoved in. You are banished. Be gone.
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mule NOS...@smeldrum.dircon.co.uk
she's a whole lot worse than that. Thinks she has to patronise you for some reason...
mule
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"Galadriel" galadriel_...@hotmail.com
Oh! I get it! Hana is going to "change the world"! Been there, done that, didn't work. My own life is all I care to handle, thanks.
G.
"Galadriel" galadriel_...@hotmail.com
Of course you'll be okay. You'll get over the "grimness" and find where you belong in life. It's called "growing up." Unless you die, you haven't any choice but grow up and join the rest of us in adulthood.
Sorry for smirking, but you sound so much like me when I was your age, it's not even funny. I used to think anyone my current age had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, and I used to hate anyone over 30.
Well, I grew out of it and so will you.
G.
"Galadriel" galadriel_...@hotmail.com
And the elf says, ignore trolls. They live under bridges and eat goats when they are not railing against the very society that brought them about. I dislike Orcs, too, but don't we all love Hobbits' furry little toes?
G.
animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
mule said: Maybe, but maybe I should be a little nice, and plus, she always acts like that.
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animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
G said: *blushes* I don't hate everyone over 30, but you have to behave like someone halfway respectable. Like lecturing me on things and then breaking your own rules isn't cool. Patronizing is a biiiit more tolerable, but not much...
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animeg3 ...@aol.compelsia (Animeg3282)
I said to nancy: G said: Curiousity- what do my words have to do with changing the world? Or do you just have a script or something?
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ba0gofl ...@sneakemail.com (gekko)
<attrib>Return with us now to that remarkable 19 Jul 2001 19:47:48 GMT, a day like other days, except that upon that day, Animeg3282 <animeg3...@aol.compelsia> wrote in <20010719154748.17614.00000...@ng-cn1.aol.com>:</attrib> It was you who called me a whore, with no provocation.
When I have, in the past, treated you with patience and decorum, you've still behaved abominably, like a spoilt bitch with fingers in ears. Since being nice doesn't really matter to you, and you have no compunctions against calling someone a whore then I have no problem calling a spoiled ignorant bigot a spoiled ignorant bigot.
One day, you're going to learn how to actually read and comprehend what you read. -IF- you think back to this time in your life, you will be embar***ed.
It's okay, though. As the elf pointed out, most of us have gone through those times.
It is okay to call a dirty pig dirty. It is not okay to extrapolate and say that all pigs are dirty.
My own rules do not preclude calling you names, Hana. They do not preclude any judgement at all. They preclude pre-judging people you do not know when you know nothing about their individual actions and motivations, however. I have not done that. I have judged you, and I have done so based solely on your behavior here.
Judging a person is okay ... it's what everyone does, automatically, anyway. Judging a cl*** of people is not okay.
I cannot make it any plainer to you. Any argument by you at this point underscores -my- point that you are only out to win, and reality/truth be damned. Being 17 is no excuse for being a bigot and a sexist. It's okay to be ignorant, but it's idiotic to imagine you are not ignorant, and then, to argue, vociferously, in *defense* of your ignorance! That's both laughable and pitiable.
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gekko Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have.
mule NOS...@smeldrum.dircon.co.uk
This is sweet. Patronising whore. Be ashamed, be very ashamed. I'd be embarr***ed if I'd written what you have.
mule
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