A crime to smoke in car in CA?
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stevejduf ...@yahoo.com (Steve Dufour)
Anti-smokers raise ante in California Washington, DC, Apr. 27 (UPI) -- Lawmakers in California are considering a proposal to make it illegal to light up in a private car if children are present.
The legislation, which is being proposed by ***emblyman Marco Firebaugh, D-Los Angeles, would make California the first state in the nation to permit police to cite motorists for smoking a pipe, cigar or cigarette in a car with children under 19 present.
Supporters of Firebaugh's bill, the Sacramento Bee reported Tuesday, say it is a crucial step forward in the campaign to protect children from the allegedly damaging effects of second-hand smoke.
"It just seemed to me that it was one effective, intelligent way to reduce the risk to kids," said Firebaugh, who argues that asthma is common among children in his home district in southeast Los Angeles.
"Viper" dont_thin...@never.net
Coming soon to a Nazi state near you: Washington, DC, Apr. 27 (UPI) -- Lawmakers in California are considering a proposal to make it illegal to have sex in a private home if children are present.
The legislation, which is being proposed by ***emblyman Marco NeverGotlaid, D-Los Angeles, would make California the first state in the nation to permit police to kick in doors, and arrest people engaged in legal, consensual activity with children under 19 present.
Supporters of NeverGotlaid's bill, the Sacramento Bee reported Tuesday, say it is a crucial step forward in the campaign to raise children in such a manner that will ensure they remain clueless about the real world for as long as possible.
"It just seemed to me that it was one effective, intelligent way to reduce the risk of intelligence to kids," said NeverGotlaid, who argues that ignorance is common among children in his home district in southeast Los Angeles.
Kyoteee kyot...@cox-internet.com
Too bad it's not illegal in Kookiefornicate (or any other state) to spew toxic, carcinogenic materials into the air. The smog would cease and the kiddies who everyone these days seems to believe are the End All and Be All of civilization would survive long enough to kill and be killed in a grammar school recess shootout.
anon3 ...@nyx10.nyx.net (Bruce Watson)
Such pessimism. Is it the cigarette sludge that does that or are you that way naturally?
Mike Helm mh...@not.known
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:07:42 GMT, "--=Cochise~|||?®|||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE...@alaskamail.com> Nice attitude. How did you come by this hatred?
stanlee ...@yahoo.com
Finally a good reason to abandon kids on the highway.
Never mind citing, shoot them on the spot. That'll teach them.
Abortion would be the best way.
Very intelligent, indeed.
"=> Vox Populi ?©" v...@popu.li
It's child abuse. The children of lowlife addicted scumbag smokers should be removed from the junkie parents until such time as the parents get cured of their pathetic addiction.
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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." ~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13 "I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." ~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
"Tony Morris" dibbl...@optusnet.com.au
An opinion that I couldn't imagine coming from somebody who has ever smoked.
Is this a correct ***umption ?
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Tony Morris (BInfTech, Cert 3 I.T.) Software Engineer (2003 VTR1000F) Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform (1.4) Sun Certified Developer for the Java 2 Platform
"Ken Taylor" ken...@xtra.co.nz
Actually, as a non-smoker myself I have to say that 'reformed smokers' are *way* more rabid than us never-smoked.
Ken
"Tony Morris" dibbl...@optusnet.com.au
I smoked for 14 years. I can't imagine that opinion being formed by someone who understands nicotine addiction (since it is so one-sided).
I'm prepared to be corrected.
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checkwebs ...@cyberussr.com (Hugo S. Cunningham)
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:45:04 +1000, "Tony Morris" Maybe he was parodying our Drug Warriors. Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol or drugs, but marijuana-users are stripped of every civil right and thrown in jail. Until recently, many tobacco users smugly went along with the War on (Some) Drugs, but they have been getting a rude awakening.
--Hugo S. Cunningham
"=> Vox Populi ?©" v...@popu.li
Have an opinion about those who molest and sodomize children?
Ever molested or sodomized a child?
"=> Vox Populi ?©" v...@popu.li
Junkies place their priorities on their doing their drugs, everyone else, children included, be damned.
It's child abuse, plain and simple, and the children should be removed from that environment.
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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." ~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13 "I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." ~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
px ...@cadence.com (Pete nospam Zakel)
So does one have to be an alcoholic before one can advocate removing children from abusive, alcohlic parents?
I do consider forcing children to breathe second-hand tobacco smoke to be a mild form of child abuse.
-Pete Zakel (p...@seeheader.nospam) Finagle's Second Law: No matter what the anticipated result, there will always be someone eager to (a) misinterpret it, (b) fake it, or (c) believe it happened according to his own pet theory.
BTR1701 BTR1...@ix.netcom.com
Seems odd that there can even *be* an 18-year-old child in California, considering the state defines 18 as the age of legal majority.
"** Bu$h's Porch Monkey **" cuntyr...@lying.slut.com
Similar to mild forms of rape ...?
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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." ~ George Bush Jr. 2001-09-13 "I don't know where he (bin Laden) is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority." ~ George Bush Jr. 2002-03-13
"=> Vox Populi ?©" v...@popu.li
Silly Bev ... when your children turned 18, were they no longer your children?
Aid and abet the commission of any crimes lately ...?
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Lie #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
-President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002 Fact: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by The New York Times' usually astute Middle East correspondent Judith Miller, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials who monitor nuclear plants say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie." Lie #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
-President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address Fact: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery, thanks to honest analysis by the CIA.
Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-amb***ador who the CIA sent to check out the story is angry: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told The New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly." Lie #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
-Vice President Cheney, March 16, 2003, on "Meet the Press" Fact: There was and is absolutely no basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.
Lie #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade."
-CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush Fact: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the intelligence 180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.
Lie #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."
-President Bush, Oct. 7 Fact: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern Iraq. To his great embarr***ment, the area he indicated was later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.
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Lie #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."
-President Bush, Oct. 7 Fact: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000 miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?
Lie #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established."
-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003 Fact: Despite a m***ive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
Lie #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."
-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, in remarks to the U.N.
Security Council Fact: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this m***ive stockpile has been found, U.S. intelligence reports show that these stocks-if they existed-were well past their use-by date and therefore useless as weapon fodder.
Lie #9: "We know where [Iraq's Weapons of M*** Destruction] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat."
-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003 Fact: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west, south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
Lie #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the U.N.
prohibited."
-President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003 Fact: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But British and American experts (including a recent report by the State Department's intelligence wing) have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarr***ment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they were: facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British themselves.
px ...@cadence.com (Pete nospam Zakel)
Of course not. Any rape is an extreme form of child abuse.
Milder than rape, certainly.
More extreme than forcing them to listen to your Frank Sinatra tapes.
-Pete Zakel (p...@seeheader.nospam) Sodd's Second Law: Sooner or later, the worst possible set of circumstances is bound to occur.
BTR1701 BTR1...@ix.netcom.com
Well, Maude, since I don't have children at all, the answer to your question would have to be no.
Have you stopped molesting children?
gavnook gavn...@yaphuckighoo.com
So an 18 year old could be cited for smoke in a car while he's present in the car?
--gavnook Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
--John F. Kennedy
Kyoteee kyot...@cox-internet.com
With his/her own children as they go with him/her to the bus station as he's being deployed to Iraq.
"Cranky Bastard" n...@likely.com
One wonders how the hell this is going to be enforced. The New South Wales government tried to legislate against this a few years ago but it never got through parliament because the opposition Liberal/National coalition blocked it with the help of independents and minor parties in the state's upper house (state senate) because they knew it couldn't be enforced properly.
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CB
Eric Johnson er...@xs4all.nl
LOL!
Excellent.
Vote out Bush.
EJ
Eric Johnson er...@xs4all.nl
Too bad the usa does not have proportional representation.
In California the anger against smokers is intense. I expect this will p***.
Vote out Bush.
EJ
"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
If it's illegal for 18 year olds to smoke, sure he could.
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