Drug Czar Says Pot Potency has Doubled in Twenty Years
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Phil Stovell p...@stovell.org.uk
This is possible (2x in 20 years), I think. The dire warnings are crap, as usual.
Why the advert for Narconon? It's a $cientology front.
<http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/5/prweb526347.htm> Drug Czar Says Pot Potency has Doubled in Twenty Years ONDCP report shows THC content in marijuana has increased significantly since the mid 1980's.
Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) May 16, 2007 -- The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) and the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) released the latest analysis from the University of Mississippi's Potency Monitoring Project. The recent report showed that the current levels of THC have reached the highest-ever since the analysis began in the late 1970's. THC stands for tetrahydrocannabinol, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.
The average amount of THC in seized marijuana samples has reached 8.5 percent. This compares to an average of less than 4 percent reported in 1983. The University of Mississippi has analyzed and compiled data on nearly 60,000 cannabis samples since 1975. The highest concentration of THC found in a marijuana sample during this period was 32.3 percent.
ONDCP Director John Walters said, "This new report serves as a wake-up call for parents who may still hold outdated notions about the harms of marijuana??¦Parents need to start having critical conversations with their children about this drug." Walters also mentioned that the higher THC levels translate into serious health problems for teens and cited that more than half of teens receiving drug treatment reported marijuana as their primary drug of abuse. It was also stated that despite an overall decline in marijuana use among teens, there have been more mentions of marijuana in emergency room visits than ever before.
Many experts agree that the key to preventing marijuana use among teens also includes effective drug education in the schools.
According to Bobby Wiggins, Director of Drug Education at Narconon International, "We've found that if you give kids all of the correct information about drugs like marijuana in a way in which they can fully comprehend it, then they are much less likely to use those drugs." As one of the largest international groups of drug rehabilitation and education programs, Narconon literally means "narcotics-none" and uses a very successful drug-free approach based on research and developments of American author and humanitarian L. Ron Hubbard.
Mr. Wiggins has given live drug education presentations to nearly 1 million students around the world and is featured in the Friends of Narconon video "Marijuana: The Myth". As part of a full drug prevention curriculum used in thousands of schools across the country, the Narconon message has demonstrated its positive effect on students and their decision not to use drugs or alcohol.
For more information contact Narconon International by calling 323-962-2404 or visit www.narconon.org.
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Phil Stovell, Hampshire, UK
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
Can't say i didn't expect this, the sieziure figures i posted a few days ago alluded to as much...I thought about 7% which was pretty close to the 8.5% reported here...I have never heard of anything containing 32.3% and it could be if a lot of this was recovered it has skewd the figures as i postulated in my post a few days ago..I even remember when the weed changed in the late 80's early 90's, as i've said before it turned neon and i have no reason to lie since I like weed....The only reason i remember it so clearly is for that reason, it looked radio active..What does this really mean though since it's all illegal anyway the only way it would matter is if they sought to legalise it now..There is no way there would be blanket legalistion now, maybe weed upto a certain potency maybe 12% in the hope of stopping this abuse of nature...Why don't the twats doing this simply eat pure THC and leave the weed alone for people like me who hope eventually to be able to smoke without fear in my own home!!!
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
These bastard members of a cult, are trying to further sway opinion...They should be supporting cannabis as it may help them recruit new members with there inerglactic wars ect...and the thatan killers...from the writings of hubbard who was certainly under the influence of somthing!!
(this post is tounge in cheeck and dosn't represent the views of the authour in anyway, freedom to manifest ones religion is a right under UN and EU law and it should be upheld)
"Amado" am...@mariojano.com.spam
I believe as long as you enjoy the herb truthfully, you can come back in an other lifetime, lets say 20 years and hook up a sack the same way you did.
Maybe you'll be surprised and hook it up around the already available bong shops in your locale.
Amado Castaneda ...
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"gentlegreen" gentlegreengiantcalciumcarbon...@yahoo.co.uk
Firstly, the less inert vegetable matter you need to smoke, the better, There IS no GM killer "skunk" .. only ancient genes which have been mixed and selected - like those of carrots, tulips, or any other crop plant.
Unfortunately the seed breeders have joined in with this nonsense.
Any sample measured at 32.5 percent is either an error, or mostly trichomes - ie. hash - we already know that some really shite samples were used to get the low figures. I wish someone in forensics would let the rest of us into how they take a meaningful sample of a plant.
If any cannabis surprised you by its potency, maybe you had better stick to brown ale .. or a nice mellow indica with high CBD... or simply the schwag you were used to - THC percentages are meaningless without the accompanying CBD levels.
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
That is also wrong, Now that we can produce pure THC there is no need to make plants any stronger we simply put the substance in a pill as we do with most other things. The delivery mechanism of smoking is inherantly bad for you, though it seems THC has some protective properties when talking about cancer..The argument for making it stonger to reduce pollution fell apart as we have total control over THC and could set a pill to have any strentgh required, no need to mess with the plant at all!!
Wrong again, genes which are nothing to with cannabis have been selectivly breed into them not via GM but via simple selection...You can get the same effect as with GM only it takes longer to get there, cannabis has had around 30years of intensive breeding....
That is possible, maybe they have added the hash results into the weed results as they seem to cl*** it as one drug!!
Are you indicating from that that you smoke mainly sativas?? if this is the case you are missing out on some great smoke!! Who smokes schwag?? I haven't done so since i was 16 years of age!! and only then as I had no idea of what i should be looking for, thats changed..
I have tried some of the best Hazes which have very low ratios of CBD to THC almost no CBD in some cases...
I have tried over 100 of the approxiamte 450 types of Cannabis personnaly, during my trips to Holland, 200 of those 450 types are regarded as unstable hybrids and aren't worth bothering with anyway....I'm never suprised by the strength, however i know what to expect, the average smoker has no idea when they come into contact with potent substances, they often fall asleep in the cafes of Dam, and sombody who tries it for the first time none what so ever!!
How many of the species have you personally smoked??
Thats simply nonsense, indicas for example are cl***ed as couch lock smokes if they are any good, these have a 50/50 ratio with CBD in a lot but not all cases, however sativas have a much lower ratio THC/CBD and almost no(CBD) depending on when they are harvested yet still get you high, in fact a more cerebral high....but the evidence is starting to suggest high levels of THC without the mitigating CBD actaully cause's mental health issues...Whilst i like and smoke cannabis often i'm not set in my ideas one way or the other and look at all evidence with an open mind!! I can see definate advantages to smoking a balanced product not one which is skewed in either direction....
"gentlegreen" gentlegreengiantcalciumcarbon...@yahoo.co.uk
Where did these genes come from ?
It happens in fish :- Roach sperm will fertilise bream eggs, but even hops can't cross-ferilise cannabis.
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
I believe it was the maple tree(or a gene from) that was used to stabilize the first high potency bud in the dutch breeding progams....To be honest i'm not 100% sure as i can't find the evidence for it currently but i am looking..
I think mainly we agree in our views on weed though, that the establishment have exagerated and lied about what has happened with regards to cannabis strength it's just these results seem pretty acurate in most sense's with the exception of the incredible 33% weed..like you say it's proably hash I know what you are saying that there have been very strong straines from the begining it's just these were street samples and they indicate dope on the street has got better and i don't really doubt that...Do you honestly??
As a devout cantheist i don't want anything to come out that may harm the standing of weed but i can't ignor evidence with good conscience...Rarther than dissmising the study on THC and Psycosis why not show the twats(most of the establishment), we as a group of people (weed smokers) are prepared to look at the evidence and use cannabis which is least harmful after all we still get stoned....Let them continue to lie and manipulate the facts it only takes away from their credability in most cases, we now know it's better to have levels of CBD which mitigates the THC we didn't know that before we do now there is no reason not to act on the knowledge....We can move with the evidence without giving them more amunition or sinking to their level!!
Even if weed potency has doubled that is the result of prohibition as 60% of smoke is home grown(dutch seed) and imports from morroco and india where the smoke in the UK used to come from have fallen away by upto 60% and i don't mean shite bar either I mean nice hashiesh (indian word) the evidence suggest it had a potency of around 5%...By doubled i mean more strains of 5% + are being grown not that they didn't exist before Just because somthing is stronger doesn't make it worse per say and i hope most people understand that....
I don't think you'd give a shit if you were smoking weed of anything more than 5%, though i agree the nicer so called "skunk" types 5-15% are nice!!
I haven't smoked anything which is 33% to my knowledge and i doubt many people who read this group have, We don't need and we shouldn't buy it!
unless it's hash which lasts loads longer than weed anyway as you use far less..
Smoke lots and prosper:-) M.
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
I'm still struggling to back this up, but even so genes are turned on and off....Humans have ressesive genes going back to when we where apes hence our similarity geneticaly speaking. These gene developments are pushed by our environment, by selecting cannabis for specific traits and breeding them 4/5 times a year (3/4 times more than mother nature does each year, seasonal cycles). We speed up and decide what gene we want to become more dominant, yield/potency, this results in much the same thing as genetic engineering...Although i accept that taking a glowing gene from jelly fish and implanting them in pigs to make them glow is a little more advanced than what is going on with cannabis The potatoe is a good example of a plant that has been selectivly breed to induce a big change, it use to be toxic to humans and that green bit in the olders ones still is...and you mentioned a number of others.
Don't think just because there is not specific genetic slicing going on that it is not effective it is. We have by selective breeding, breed 4ton bulls that should way maximum 1.5/2 tons in nature...These are ugly things way out of all proportion just pure food..
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
Search, belgium blue and intensive farming for some pictures to see just how effective it is
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
Not true, made a mistake there as i can;'t find any proof this happened at all, i can find is details of interspecies cross's like Afganhi...I think i have confused somthing else i was reading (bloody fool:-)
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
Gentle, Here's what i did find though...Sombody else posted similer stuff a few months back but i can't find it!! No mention of foriegn genetics but you can see what i mean about the selective breeding. This is not the mythical 2000% stuff but it's a nice smoke never the less and weed hasn't moved a long in terms of strength since....This is the founding mother so to speak, but it's been around since the 80's so why all the pallava now i don't know there some 20 years behind.
Skunk#1 The strain that changed the face of cannabis culture across the world continues to amaze weed-lovers more than a quarter-century after her release! The original Skunk hybrids fused traditional cultivars from Central and South America, Afghanistan and Thailand. Through generations of intensive selection and back-crossing, the very best examples of Skunk were stabilised into the first true-breeding Indica-Sativa hybrid - the cl***ic Indica-dominant Skunk #1.
The potency of this branch of the cannabis family tree is so notorious that 'skunk' is often used as a name for any powerful ganja.The potency of this branch of the cannabis family tree is so notorious that 'skunk' is often used as a name for any powerful ganja. Breeders regard Skunk #1 as the benchmark of uniform, reliable performance and her rock-solid genotype has influenced a hundred modern hybrids. Skunk#1's energetic performance and bountiful yields demonstrate the true meaning of hybrid vigour. Growth and flowering are mostly-Indica in appearance, with Skunk #1 gaining a little more height than a pure Indica when blooming. The extra-dark green of this strain's leaves comes from her Afghanica ancestors and contrasts sharply with her lime-green growing tips.
Flowering is very fast and Skunk #1 produces robust stems and branches to support her superior yields. Short internode gaps explode into dense, rounded flower clusters which merge into huge, heavy terminal buds by the end of the blooming phase. Fan leaves can show many shades of colour at the end of flowering, as plants focus their energy on bud formation and resin production Sativa heritage is most apparent in Skunk #1's beautiful calyxes, long, profuse pistils and her habit of expanding bud-growth in all directions as harvest time approaches. Sativa also has a wonderful influence on Skunk #1's potency and effect - a stunning combination of stone and high.
"gentlegreen" gentlegreengiantcalciumcarbon...@yahoo.co.uk
I've heard skunk#1 described as something like - " an easy to grow sativa with just enough indica added to spoil the sativa high " ... ;-) Most commercial weed is going to be harvested early - and not properly dried or cured - (so with an "edgy" cannabinoid profile) - hence the popularity of sugar-based adulterants to make it more palateable.... though how much worse that is than smoking mouldy imported stuff is debateable ...
it has to be preferable to the stuff that p***es for hash in the UK these days.
I suspect the basic problem these days is nothing at all to do with "potency", but that more of it is available to more and younger people...
The parallel with highly bred farm animals is interesting though.
The poor used to be mal-nourished. Now they can afford large amounts of animal protein, with a lot of added fat so now are obese ....
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
Your a pure sativa lover?? I don't blame you in some ways. I found sativa's are less likely to give you a foggy mind in the morning, where as you can feel a strong indica well into the next day. After sleeping you've got cotton wool brain...Though i like the slow lazey buzz that it gives if i have nothing better to do than relax in front of the TV, and to help with sleep on a night!!
You mean shite bar and there's loads of it, low grade crap riddled with plastic usually rock hard with no play in it, impossible to make an indentation with your nail(should give it away, since good hash can be marked with a finger nail)...It's yet another case where prohibition is causing the problem rarther than helping....A legitmate product could be well cured and have a good "cannabinoid profile" as you put it.. Your really lucky, as i remember your in Canada these days arn't you?? Much more progressive attitude from what i understand..With legalisation on medical grounds surley the police don't persue any other use??
I think your right, when will they realise that regulation and control is the only way to reduce availability to young smokers..I was smoking from a young age myself but i don't condone it, when i first started hash was about ??20-25 a quarter it now goes for ??10-15 a q...That reduction in price has been made by getting a shiter end product much the same has happened with E's they used to be ??20 a tab(but you'd buzz for hours) now you can pick em up for ??1-2 each!! but they are shite so not worth it!!
"Michael" muirh...@haidagwaii.net
All this shows us is that (Drug Czar) John Walters is a ****ing liar... so how are we to judge the honesty of the minions he commands to frighten us all?
"The point is that the potency of available marijuana has not merely 'doubled,' but increased as much as 30 times." -- US Office of National Drug Control Policy director (drug czar) John Walters, San Francisco Chronicle, September 2002
"Michael" muirh...@haidagwaii.net
That's just "hash that might be worth buying... as long as it's cheap".
*Good* hash can be formed from a blob to a patty by pressing it into the table with a warm thumb... and identify you perfectly by your print.
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
That's very true, the better the hash the more resinous, but generally you will get stoned on somthing you can indent......I shouldn't have decscribed it as "good" hash though, i think i was being optmistic :-).....Also it doesn't need any or very little heat in order to break it up, bubble hash actually bubbles when heated hence it's name!! and it's a very nice smoke.
It's usually priced at ??15-20 an 1/8 but is well worth it..
"gentlegreen" gentlegreengiantcalciumcarbon...@yahoo.co.uk
sativa in the early morning, indica at night :-) (though if anxiety is keeping me awake in the early hours, I usually have the sense not to smoke anything. ).
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
The perfect plan, I'm rarther envious...I have to rely on "dealers" here in the UK unless i can wangle a weekend in Holland. I push them to make sure they have both indica and sativa available but it's not always possible despite their best efforts, but it is usually a good smoke(thankful for small mercies)!..If only it was legalised(dreams), though there has been a bit of a backlash since it was reduced to a cl*** C.....
The media all seem to be against it at the moment, no legalisation campaigns seem to be in site so i can't see anything changing just yet. Maybe after the next election if it gets made into a voting issue along with a geneal review of drug policy..The trouble is that it is one issue amongst many and hardly the most important topic what with health and schooling etc....I can only hope that since the UK got the worst record on drugs in the developed world that may spur them on to fudge the figures by legalising or even just decriminalising dope use in your own home!!
To be fair i think it's a F%*king outrage that the government has any say in what happens in the privacy of your own home!! An Englishmans home is HIS castle after all and i can't see what the danger to society would be!! It's not crack when all's said and done...
pj p...@psychedelicjones.com
On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:43:41 GMT, "Mark Whiteley" Specifically, it isn't GM. The term GM doesn't mean selective breeding. The technique is different, the timescale is different, what can be achieved is different, the risks are different, and, especially, the perceived risks are different.
The potatoe? Sure. Add to that list sheep, pretty much all crop gr***es (wheat, barley, oats). All of the br***icas (except the Ur-Br***ica!). These are all cultivars.
Anyone doing GM with cannabis would probably have better luck trying to get the genes to produce the THC into something else, rather than trying to improve the plant. THC laden tomatos would be nice.
pj
Chris bluel...@comcast.net
Michael, U.S. drug policies have always been built on nothing more than exaggerations, outright lies and scare tactics. Government minions are the 'Grand Inquisitors' of junk science. Normally there would be just one Grand Inquisitor but in this case they are too confused and disorganized to keep their stories straight. They (the prohibitionists) just need to keep constructing, designing or requesting and funding scientific studies to prove the conclusions that are desired at the outset to support their policies. The main purpose has always been to multiply the number and depth of agencies and programs. Political power.
Inside fast tracks. Extra-territorial deal making. Those are the benefits to politicians; not to forget, of course, keeping the population in a posture of servile belief.
Over the decades I've always been amazed that when the prohibitionists talk about the harm caused by drugs, their complaints fall into one of two categories: there is the personal harm argument (although local, state and federal governments put vastly more dollars into enforcement and interdiction resources than into health resources). Maybe it's just me, but if I were sick I would prefer to see a doctor rather than a policeman. The other category is the harm to society argument (e.g.
crime, property loss, family disruption, etc...). Except the things they call 'harmful to society' are the predictable result of the prohibitionist laws that they themselves create. Both categories create neatly circular arguments and maintain the status quo.
Since none of the prohibitionist efforts are particularly rational, I don't really hold out much hope for a change beyond more of the same, which is no change at all. It only brings to mind that old essay by Thoreau, "On Civil Disobedience" which begins with a phrase something along the lines of: "That government is best which governs the least." c.
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
Now thats a good idea, but even better would be to slice the genes into a wild and freely growing plant here in the UK say bluebell or even the dandilion which could then mutate the entire wild crop, into a THC producing variety, as these buggers breed and propogate wild anywhere... .or even into trees to enlarge the supply.....
Now that would cause a serious problem for those looking to outlaw THC, of course this is hypothetical, but in an ideal world...
"Sla#s" p...@KNOTslatts.net
<SNIP> Well not really, if you think about it poppies are very common in the wild and it is perfectly legal to grow Papaver somniferum your garden. Yet opium is illegal.
Slatts
"Mark Whiteley" mark.whitele...@ntlworld.com
Yes but these don't propogate in the same way(via wind) and are not as vigerous, a THC dandelion would spread like wild fire and it would be difficult to spray....A poppey is suitable to harvest once per year, a dandelion grows in a matter of days and spreads on the wind...A whole lawn can be covered in a matter of weeks....
Most people who use heoin have no idea where it comes from or that it is legal to grow here in the UK....If any amount was grown it would fast become illegal...Your no doubt aware it isn't the simple red poppy that producs the opium.
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