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kush ...@aol.com (Kushkee)
Hey everyone, I don't mean to start anything negative here but I received a very disturbing response to my "blood sugar" post from someone. I'm going to post what she sent me because I want you guys to know that this person is EVIL, and if you receive any emails from her PLEASE, do NOT open them!!!!
I'll spoiler it (highly highy triggering... for me it was, anyways).
\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \THis is what this Julieann person sent me: Keep your day job. Yogurt is very easy to purge. Drink lots of water with whatever you eat, and that makes purging easier. Then you can lose weight and fit into your summer clothes. That must be distressing to know you've gained so much!
This totaly triggered me and i was not at all happy to receive this. So, just please people watch out for new, unknown email senders.
Koosh
"EDPractice" a...@edpractice.freeserve.co.uk
Kushkee, I'm just so very sorry that you got that.
Sending strength..
A.
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"katmich65" katmic...@aol.com
Koosh, I'm sorry that you had to get that from a very disturbed moron. Just take the source. You're strong and ,although it was triggering, try to focus on the positives you've accomplished. I let myself be set back last year from hmm guess who and I wish I had been stronger and never let it happen.
Keep talking, Kathy ...
ashelbear2 ...@aol.com (Ashelbear2003)
That is so horrible. It would have been triggering for me too. I'm so sorry that whoever this is sent that to you.
Ashley
truthnrea ...@aol.com (TruthNreason)
---disturbing shit snipped---
Knock it off Kev, we know who you are. Next time they might give you a lot more than a traffic ticket.
TNR
plaidho ...@aol.com (PlaidHorse)
And as for me, Kevin, STOP EMAILING ME! I've already reported your present EMAILING behavior to the police. Last go around with you, the police forbade you emailing me, TO STOP YOUR EMAIL ABUSE-- THE RESTRICTION STILL STANDS! STOP EMAILING ME FROM YOUR DAILY NEW SCREEN NAMES, WHETHER JRNY2LIFE OR ANY OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"How does the meadow-flower it's bloom unfold?
Because the lovely little flower is free Down to its root, and in that freedom bold." Wordsworth A Poet! He Hath Put His Heart to School.
le ...@aol.com (Lea15)
jrny2life=kevin http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31542&item=340... or perhaps someone else who lives in madison =)
le ...@aol.com (Lea15)
someone who was posting the exact same thing from kevin's AnonPosts with exactly the same computer-better luck next time journey.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&th=4784d09db704dbc...
Jessica MacMullin jessiej...@optusnet.com.au
(snipped - only because of length, not content).
Hi Connie, As part of my work I spend a lot of time with children and adults whom suffer from Asperger's Syndrome.
I wanted to express to the group that I do not feel Kevin is suffering from such a legitimate and unavoidable disorder (that is often present from birth).
Many of my dear clients (as a part time care worker whilst finishing my paramedic degree) experience this syndrome, and whilst they may not be able to express complete emotional ranges, they are surely full of love and hope.
I feel that is dishonours people with a legitimate cause, when we label a person who is so clearly pathologically inept as suffering from Asperger's.
Kevin suffers from an extreme condition but I do not doubt that it has a basis in his psyche, rather than his chemical and physiological wiring.
Asperger's is a form of autism, and thus I can certainly express that although an Asperger's sufferer may not be able to communicate a full range of emotions, he or she certainly does not feel the need to communicate with others.
Asperger's is extremely isolating - and I doubt a sufferer would have the need or the will to commit the kind of fraud and misconduct that Kevin has.
I believe that his diagnosis is more truly based in psychopathology, for example sociopathic personality disorder or something similar.
I do not hope to prove you wrong Connie, but rather protect those clients I care for in not naming Kevin as one of them.
What ever the case he is far from healthy, safe or appropriate, and for that reason I believe we cannot include him in a group of people, who although struggle to participate in social life (don't we all!), continue to be safe and in their own way caring members of our community.
I would not like to have Kevin Fosler's name and Asperger's Syndrome in the one post.
Thank you for hearing me, this post was not intended as a criticism of you, as I can see where your logic came from, but rather one of a simple re-adjustment of the theme.
Peace and Light, Jessica.
risacait ...@aol.comment (RisaCaitlin)
Connie's post is a prime example why experts rely on a face-to-face meeting with a patient before attempting a diagnosis. Psychological disorders are complex heaps of symptoms and nuances, scattered around a huge array of typical and atypical presentations of every disorder. People who are SEEN by a professional, over a long period of time, can still be misdiagnosed. Risa Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
truthnrea ...@aol.com (TruthNreason)
Agreed. But a level headed discussion of the persons presentation based on known criteria sheds much more light on a situation than simply calling him 'perp' or making snide remarks - like Downs - based on his appearance.
I want to understand WTF has been going on that caused him to heap so much shit into this newgroup. Doesnt anyone else?
TNR
kush ...@aol.com (Kushkee)
I just wanted to make a comment about something you wrote Connie (and I don't mean to be offensive in any way, so please don't take this as an attack).
You made this comment: I understand the jist of what you are trying to say here, and I agree with you to an extent. However, something about describing psychiatric diagnoses as an "art" rather than a "science", as well as using the words "broken brain" just didn't sit well with me. I think it is because there is a stigma in our society that mentally ill people aren't truly "ill", but rather, just crazy (or so the stigma goes). A lot of times people feel that if they can't see something with their eyes (such as a broken leg, for example), then it's somehow not real. Now before you respond feeling scrutinized, I want to clarify that I know you weren't implying that psychiatric illnesses aren't real or serious. I know you weren't saying this directly. But the way you described it as an "art" just struck me, and the stigma's in society were the first things I thought about upon reading this. So I just wanted to point this out.
In addition, while you are correct that when one is dealing with the brain it is much more complicated than a leg, for example, psychiatric illnesses (as well as they're diagnoses) are actually highly scientific. They involve genetics, chemical imbalances, and can even be brought about through physical brain changes such as might occur in an accident. I believe Schitzophrenia, for example, was researched years ago, and it was discovered that one can become schitzophrenic if the appropriate lesions are placed in their brain. My point is that psychiatric disorders are just as "scientific", in terms of their treatment and their causes, as are physical ailments and injuries. They are just far more complex and thus, involve far more analysis when diagnosing someone. But isn't that the basis of science anyways? Researching, questioning, and re-conducting tests over and over to be sure you are correct in your findings? All you have to do when diagnosing a broken leg is to look at the X Ray! Not to undermine doctors who work in that area, but one must be highly scientifically informed when dealing with psychiatry and the brain. Just some things to think about.
Koosh
rainbow positivesu...@aol.com
I've watched this thread with amusement. I can ***ure you that I don't have Asperger's syndrome or Downs Syndrome. I was second in a cl*** of about 400 with only one B in high school, and a similar academic record in college.
I've participated in social things all my life, starting from Cub Scouts to Eagle Scout. In HS I spent one year on the basketball team (the coach made it not worth doing that another year), I was in the Spanish club, and the... memory is failing... the group of students who compete against students from other areas answering academic questions. I also helped out behind the scenes for plays that my high school did. In college I was involved in intramural sports (soccer, basketball), and lived in the dorm for 4 years because I liked the social community it offered.
As far as diagnoses, PTSD is the closest thing to a personality disorder. Also some traits of BPD, but my therapist, psych, and DBT trainers who I met with for one month all discounted that.
The comments from Connie show how she has abused various members in the past. She microanalyzes them, and insults them. Others who have made up with her now felt the sting of her comments when they were made, and the whole Angels group was created due to this kind of thing.
I could go on and post my ***essment of Connie's personality disorders, affected by her mutilated face that she's had operated on a lot of times, her nose, her voice, her hearing. How she transfers that hurt onto others, because others have unfairly or ignorantly done it to her. How her world is a computer world because of her limitations. Look how much time she's spent on these posts and the analytical detail she put into them. It's a waste of time.
Kevin On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:23:07 GMT, ClixPix <clixpix @ cox.net> wrote:
rainbow positivesu...@aol.com
Hi TNR, I would be happy to explain objectively including my part in everything to you. Of course you'd have to e-mail me if you want to, and please not share it on this group. If you look at the posts for the first month that I came back here, I wasn't the one heaping the shit. I am not the evil person people make me out to be. I made and admitted what happened the first part of last year. Kevin
rainbow positivesu...@aol.com
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:06:27 GMT, ClixPix <clixpix @ cox.net> wrote: I understand it, take responsibility for my part in it, have worked through it, and it's in the past for me, except I empathize with the people who were hurt and I wish I could apologize to them and work things out.
The only treatment I am seeking right now is for self-injury, that started when I was 7 or 8 due to parental abuse and neglect, and has continued sporadically throughout my life. I am not self-injuring now, but I had several weeks when I was recently.
It's likely that the treatment will be too expensive for my insurance company and I won't be able to go. In any case I've benefitted from talking to the people who run the SAFE program, and the direction and suggestions they gave to me. I am following the program in the last 3rd of the book with help from my therapist.
Kevin
rainbow positivesu...@aol.com
Yes -- do you know why? Because you can hear the other person, talking can be interactive, you can get so much more out of the tone of their voice. It's the best type of communication.
E-mail is another way to communicate, but the danger is that someone might share personal info. (as has happened to me... I believe you've done that to others in the past if memory serves) Communication is very important. Yes, I have talked to 2 people on e-bay on the phone, and it helped work out the deal to our satisfaction. What is your problem? The phone is a useful tool. Your libelous stories of me m******** on the phone while talking to people is a malicious lie. Let one person come forward and say that I did that.
You just send mean vindictive stuff. Why not improve your character and not be so shallowly angry?
Kevin
rainbow positivesu...@aol.com
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:05:15 GMT, "ClixPix" <clixpix @ cox.net> wrote: Why Connie? Explain your logic.
le ...@aol.com (Lea15)
made it what? 6 days this time before actually posting here? does your treatment team know you're out of your cage again?
anyone who would like to send a personal message to kevin's treatment team about his participation here on ased-email me. i will be happy to provide both his therapist and his pdoc's name, number and address so that everyone here can let them know just how we feel about kevin's participation.
go ahead kevin, call your attorney. i already talked to mine =)
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