Who do you write to for tougher laws?
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vcanfi ...@satx.rr.com (VCanfield)
I don't know if this is the right group of not to ask this question, but I am clueless on where else to ask. Recently a four-year-old boy was beaten and starved to death here in San Antonio. I can hardly contain my bile or my grief even as I write this. The poor baby died on Christmas and it outraged many when it was later discoverd that CPS had been called out to the house 2-3 times, but they were not allowed in so there was nothing they could do. All that time that poor boy was dying slowly within yards of the only people who could have intervened. Who would be the person/organization to write to or support in order to have tougher intervention on cases such as these?
Perhaps a law that states that if someone is reported then the child or children MUST be at least physically seen by CPS so they can verify that they are at least alive and uninjured.
I believe in parent's rights, but I also work at a residential treatment center and have read about the horrific abuse that CPS has rescued these children from. The sad thing is, on occasion, the foster homes were not much better. I almost think children's homes are the only way to go, at least then you have adults monitoring other adults and less chance of abuse. But, that is another issue. So, who do I write? My congressman or is there already a movement towards this issue that I can add my voice to? I have money taken out monthly for Childhelp, a national child abuse prevention society, but I feel like I should do more.
V.Canfield P.S. The therapist on our unit was not even sure who to contact and he has the CPS number memorized!
dsull ...@optonline.net (Dan Sullivan)
The law is already there.
It's the caseworker that failed to properly do their job.
When the initial report was made to CPS whoever called it in probably gave specific details on what was happening to the child.
And the CW probably even spoke with that person to get more detailed information than what was made in the original report.
And the CW apparently chose to walk away from the case.
The problem is the people who work at CPS... not the laws.
The solution to this problem is more responsible caseworkers.
Good luck.
Best, Dan Sullivan
fern5 ...@aol.com (Fern5827)
CPS often exaggerates situation for continued funding.
If you do WORK at a TX center, you should be privy to "horrific abuse." Noble of you. May I suggest that might wish to do personal interactions with your own residential treatment center.
How about fund-raising? Interfacing with your church for donations, toys, books, materials, etc.
Can you get donated tickets to sporting events for the children?
Not only will you help your career, you will be developing contacts for future work.
You will become indispensable to your treatment center.
Activism means giving what you can, what gives you JOY and PEACE.
Obviously, you are a sensitive and caring individual. Light a small candle. Personal giving is very much correlated to personal happiness.
Personal connections, trust, and family support means a lot to families down on their luck.
Good luck in your journey.
V. Canfield sent in:
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
......in her usual dunce manner........
Nonsense. They are underfunded.
What IS done to children is FAR worse than is reported. In this instance, compared to how some children are tortured, this is a middle of the road case. Some children are tortured for their entire childhood, until they reach an age they can run. This poor tyke was sent away from the pain early...no kindsness intended of course.
I notice you aren't the least interested in the child, Fern.
abuse." Is this an attempt to claim the poster is lying? I worked at a residential treatment center, and by the time the children were sent to us they had spent a few months with a "pre treatment foster family" employed by the agency, not the state, and were stable enough and recovered enough from the horrific abuse to be treatable.
Rarely was there a case that did NOT include horrific abuse and those few had some that didn't admit to the abuse until they were adults....usually sexual abuse of boys..they tend not to disclose...lack of support and shame at being helpless to protect themselves from the attacker. Girls were more able to speak of it.
Bitchy of you.
Dumb of you. It's really hard to work somewhere without.
If you had even the tiniest bit of the claimed m***es of experience with the field of child welfare you'd fall on your butt laughing at yourself for that stupidity.
Charity work by treatment agencies is a constant. If they are state agencies not so much, but private non-profits are on the "give" all the time...they often hire fund raising specialists..and there are "Fairs" and "Bakes" and "Door to door hotpad and bun warmer" sales, and camping on the door steps of the biggies, such as athletic shoe and apparell companies, and m***ive donations in cash and in kind from those sources.
Stupid ignorant Spud.
It's nearly put the "seconds" stores out of business in some fields, and the old Salvation Army and Good Will complains...as they all go to agencies, and foster groups, to clothe and shod the kiddies that came in rags and naked to CPS.
Kids pulled from meth labs are stripped, if not already naked, on the front lawn and hosed down by the hazmat and cops and wrapped in blankets and transported...NO clothing is recovered from the building.
Ever.
R R R R ................. I can get you buckets. That is a given with CPS, foster families, and treatment centers. I've solicited them myself for the children.
Damn good seats too sometimes.
Team management is so well trained now they call the centers and agencies before even being asked...they are kind and caring and NOT stupid like you.
You are an insufferable, arrogant, Radish.
...........Turnip.
............Cantalope ..........and smarmy.
.............and embarr***ingly patronizing.
Irrelevant to the point. ...as usual.
And patronizingly stupid.
That is the sum total of your reply to a post about a family beating their child to death. You really are thick skinned and empty of head and empathy.
Nothing about the incident. NO citation of the source of this horrible story.
Is it because it didn't rake CPS hard enough for you?
http://tinyurl.com/2j9xu You who can't resist a good bloody story of a child hurt or a family mangled?
You who spit your hatrid of those that work to try and help and save the lives of these children day after day in this ng and others?
Do you think THIS poster is too stupid to get how thick you are laying on the poisoned syrup?
YOU reek of your hatred and puny ego and mean spirit. Your posts are foul with it.
Go peddle your vitriolic mol***es elsewhere, Cacti. You are nullified in this ng and all others to do with children. I will start posting your historically hateful garbage routinely if you continue to do what you do here.
Either reform yourself and actually help to reform CPS, or face what is coming to you here...the garbage you strew is coming back to you, on this channel, soon. Tune in at 11 for pics.
I'm very seriously considering putting up a website on you and your cronies and making you all famous.
Reposting your messages is something I can arrange with Usenet very easily.
Want to be ***ociated with a mad bomber wannabee, a whining gigolo, a KILLCPS sock captain?
All who have never gotten ONE child home to their parents from CPS.
Keep up your sickness....it can happen for you too.
Or could YOU catch on?
Kane
vcanfi ...@satx.rr.com (VCanfield)
I am privy to the abuse. I am a teacher, but I am ***igned to a juvenile sex-offender unit. I think it is one of the few in Texas. The kid's files are available for me to read so I can get a background on their history and check for violent tendencies. After having read what they have done and what has been done to them I have to say CPS has not exaggerated any of those details. I also am around during group therapy sessions.
As for donating- I already donate toys, clothes, diapers, etc.
exclusivly to Medina Children's Home and the SA Woman's shelter. And I do everything I can for the boys I work with (some as young as 12), which means acting as a surrogate mom. Plenty gets donated to the unit from my house. But, they have victimized others and I often sympathize more for their victims, usually children. This is why I feel the need to help little ones, more so before they have to end up at a treatment center.
Oh no, I just found another article.
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News 4 WOAI also talked to Jovonie's Godmother who's blaming the state for is death.
Rebecca Delgado-Vasquez says for 2 years she begged Child Protective Service to check on her God son.
"I called CPS and I told them something was wrong with him, I told them something is happening to him because he wasn't that skinny," says Delgado-Vasquez.
The weekend Jovonie died, Child Protective Services told WOAI they checked on Jovonie.
"We made two visits to the home and on both occasions we found nothing wrong," says Marina Yzaguirre, CPS case worker.
We checked and found CPS sent Vasquez a letter last summer indicating nothing was wrong. But Jovonie's God mother claims the CPS case worker then went on a vacation and didn't get anyone to check on the boy.
"If she had maybe it would have made a difference," says Delgado-Vasquez.
The God mother says she tried to make a difference by telling Jovonie's grandparents she wanted the boy.
"I begged them to give him to me, just give him to me, I said look I won't say anything anymore, I won't cause you any problems, just give him to me and I'll raise him for you guys and you'll always get to see him," says Delgado-Vasquez.
She says Jovonie's family has now turned on her.
"They're blaming me, they're blaming me and my husband for coming forward, that if we hadn't come forward, Jovonie would still be alive," says Delgado-Vasquez.
CPS won't comment on the God mother's accusations until Jovonie's aunt is in police custody. Meantime, Jovonie's family is pointing the finger at one another.
Just How Small Was He?
It's hard to imagine how small Jovonie was when he died. At the time of death, the 4 year-old weighed 16 pounds. We did some checking and found 16 pounds is the average weight of a 6 month old baby.
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Evidently, CPS was claiming they were not let in and then they were claiming they checked on him. I guess they were not let in and just took the word of the family and called that "checking on him".
Finding peace in any of this has become impossible since I have a 20-month-old of my own and it it kills me to think of anyone hurting such a precious thing as a child. But, I have always suffered with too much empathy for those who have been victimized. I can't even listen to the news if it involves children because I will carry the story with me, like a burden, for weeks. What in the world am I doing working at a treatment center? LOL. Thanks for your advice.
V.Canfield P.S. I still want to write to someone about the failure of our system to protect little Jovonie Ochoa. I guess my congressman is the best bet. Thanks to all.
Gree ...@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson)
You've done enough to encourage abuse by caseworkers.
It's actually questionable whether they don't cause more actual HARM to kids than the problems they are supposed to address.
""Child Protection"" has become a huge INDUSTRY in this country. For ever one of those horror stories that you see, CPS meddles in probably 200 other families where CPS itself causes harm.
Abuse in Foster Care is more than occasional.
How much do you know about Munchhausens By Proxy?
What causes Spiral Fractures?
If a set of parents has had three or four babies die of SIDS, what is your reaction?
Ever heard that some baby viruses and vaccines cause reactions that LOOK LIKE Shaken Baby Syndrome?
Ever heard of Doctor Professor Roy Meadows?
Or his recent BIG DISGRACE?
Was he in Foster Care?
At age 4, toddler is more appropriate than "baby".
Dramatic language only causes hysterical reactions.
Pathos is not the point is it?
Hysteria about child abuse has caused big problems.
They were probably at the house down the street removing a child for household clutter, or bad decorating style.
These caseworkers are NOTORIOUS for conning or LYING their way in, and they DO have a proper process to to do a basic "welfare check" on a kid.
Police almost everywhere can do what is called a "welfare check" on kids or even adults if any sort of serious harm is suspected.
Police are more qualified to look just for basic welfare (bruises, unconcious, etc.) than CPS busybodies are.
CPS caseworkers have destroyed their own credibility with police, honest doctors and occasionally with judges.
CPS and their knit picking and second guessing over TRIVIA have gotten themselves BARRED at the door.
What you are talking about is a basic welfare check that any cop can do, but caseworkers don't want to settle for that, and that is why they are getting barred at the door.
Why didn't CPS have cops do a "welfare check"?
Because of their office politics, power plays etc.
Seriously though, Christmas was about TWO MONTHS ago.
What's really going on?
Are you any relation to Byron Canfield?
CPS caseworkers already have too much power and they ABUSE it. The US Congress (both houses) held some big committees and issued reports saying this. My family was naive and trusted, and they LIED and TWISTED to make a case that didn't exist. They wanted MORE than a simple welfare check that any cop can do.
They already CAN get a basic welfare check.
What you propose does exist in part in some states like Missouri, and it is MISUSED and twisted beyond all recognition, so that the caseworkers use it in an ORWELLIAN or Kafkaesque way, for purposes FAR from what motivated your concern. They use laws created in hysterical reaction to such pathos, to start up cases NOTHING like what you are talking about. Witch Hunts for trivia.
Such reading is much more interesting than reading cases about the other 98% of cases where kids are removed under terms much less EXCITING to read.
What about the double standard?
They remove for TRIVIA, call big nothings ""Imminent Danger"" and spout "at risk" etc.
But if any home, facility or center did the very SAME THING, nothing is made of it.
One of the East Coast CPS agencies had a secret room where all of the abuse complaints about Foster Homes were dead ended. The media found out.
By the way, one of those treatment facilities called Apache run by the state here in Iowa had some kid getting enemas several times daily as PUNISHMENT. When the state investigated ITSELF, it miraculously found NO ABUSE.
They had at least one judge spitting tacks.
That double standard is rotten.
Right now, many Congressmen are horrified by several of the abuses and horrible failures BY THE SYSTEM, like the kids who were starved to emaciation while case workers visited 18 times, a kid lost in the system in Florida, and the less reported numbers of kids MISSING in Foster Care throughout the country. (500 just in part of California!) The movement went the opposite direction from what CHILDHELP wants because of the EXCESSES of caseworkers.
Parents would like to have these incompetent idiots stop criticizing parental homes for TRIVIA or legal spanking and stick to really doing just welfare checks and SERIOUS abuse.
I was at the library yesterday and I watched a group of kids about 12 years old wail the TAR out of each other, sneaky like so the librarians would not see them.
Yet if a parent did a FRACTION of that, they would be in prison for sure, and MARKED as a child abuser, for 50 years.
No amount of money you give this lobbying agency for CASEWORKERS will save their bacon right now.
The Child Protection INDUSTRY is more and more bound to pay the piper for their outrageous abuses.
Noble thoughts, but it's naive of you to think that the 2 or 3 % of HORROR cases you see represent most of what CPS does.
Check out how families are torn up for TRIVIA and THEN you'll understand why CPS is losing the power and the guts to invade somebodies home. Caseworkers themselves may well be losing confidence.
I noticed you said therapist.
There is a growing and progressively vocal number of MD's who have FOUND OUT that CPS is abusing families, telling LIES, and doing great harm.
Too many psychologists are benefitting too much from CPS to bit the hand that feeds them.
Very few individual psychologists will speak out in a case against CPS abuses.
Some will "evaluate" people amazingly just like the unlicensed, undereducated, unqualified Child Protection workers tell them to.
Do you vote against your own paycheck?
You vote the way your union goes, right?
There is a corrupting side to people lobbying for more money that they get.
Almost as bad as the rich fighting taxes on rich.
How would you like to be SECOND GUESSED by people who have proven they can not do any better themselves?
"Dan Sullivan" dsull...@optonline.net
"Baby" is being used as a term of endearment.
No sympathy for a dead little boy, Greg?
What a shock.
You wanna slide this story under the rug?
The media shouldn't report what happened?
Not because the child was only 16 pounds?
And almost dead?
Citations, please.
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
You don't know that.
As it always should be. However the answer is clearly in. They do not do more harm than the abusers. .
With you pushing it right along to greater heights. With the help of A Plant, a mad bomber wannabee, and some Leaky socks.
Nope. Doesn't work that way.
Yep. It's hard to find people that can "maintain" under the unbelievable strain and the extraordinary behaviors the children bring with them from their bio production unit families. Many of the children, particulary in the toddler stage to about 5 are feral.
They cannot eat normally. They must pace while eating. They have great trouble sleeping with frequent waking and night terrors. Fosters find these children hiding in cupboards and other hidey places because they were most often molested at night in their own beds by family members or mommy's "boyfriend." Some families just can't or won't let themselves believe what the worker tells them as to the causes, and they think they kind of have a devil child.
They usually start by trying 'love" with lots of hugs and affection and minimal controls. It soon, when the child does not respond as normal children do with afffection back, turns into a control battle though, then it start looking like demonic possession, Exorcist...and the foster loses it.
Not many, but enough to be a ban to CPS and the other more knowledgeable and tougher foster parents that don't NEED a child to love them to be whole and mentally healthy.
Oddly, these latter are the ones that really DO love the child and bring them around to being able to show healthy affection...something they usually have had none of. Incest isn't very loving and affectionate you know.
Me plenty. There are documented by VIDEO surrvailance cases of it happening. The people that pushed as a "cause" like most "causes" went out of bounds.
Mostly grab and twist. Other causes are rarer by a large margin. And there are surface and other tissue characteristic damanges that give away the grab and twist. caused ones.
Suspicion.
Heard of it. I heard once the moon was made of green cheese. Now the astronauts say it's not true. Facts are a wonderful thing and in the meantime, sans the facts, it's probably not a good idea not to investigate children with SBS symtoms.
What do you think Greegor....should babies with symtoms that appear like abuse NOT be investigated until we clear up that drug reaction thing?
I know you are an adovcate of this very head in the sand approach but I thought, what the heck, maybe I'll be a witness to a child's major developmental breakthrough to the capacity for analytical thought and an understand of more abstract concepts than 1x1=2 The interesting thing is that many discoveries in the past were derided and the person pilloried, only to find later much of what they had posited turned out to be true.
How many cases of sid do you think should be inored because someone was wrong about SOME causes?
Don't you EVER wait for the rest of the story or search and read for yourself?
You are insensitive as well as stupid. She knows that. Women often have this reaction to even an 18 year old being hurt. Some men. My daughter is 43...and still, in my heart, my baby. But then I was the primary parent. ...My son is 38. Not only is he my baby still, but if I speak soto voce the little mantra of childhood rocking to sleep, "rocky rocky little baby, sleepy baby" the poor guy, if he's not noticing will roll his eyes back in his head for a split second.
He does NOT like me to do that, being a large strong and somewhat macho kinda guy, but a teddy bear underneath. Don't tell him I told you that.
Nope. That's your head you are m***agin'.
Ah, ever the champion of the downtrodden parent. Those dead children just clutter up your whinin' couch, don't they little Greegor?
Actually, on further research (I've read two mentions of this story now) it appears they really screwed the pooch on this one.
There is something interesting though. Cons...kinda like you.
A whole family of them apparently. And moving the kid around.
I worked with cons. During the long years the spend in jail a favorite p***time is rehearsing...honest.....scenarios for distraction of "marks" and slipping things over on them.
Case workers get some training in this problem, but it's more OJT than not and mentoring by another worker.
I've witness the most interesting diversions....they learn to do things that are so incongruent that the observer (the mark) go blank...they mind tunes out to the present events and the con can really pull off some goodies.
How do you think criminals manage to get a gun away from a cop as often as they do...and they do....and cops are even trained in con cons.
But the cons are teaching each other new ones all the time. At the risk of offending: this comes out of the old horse trading traditions and the life of the Rom, who had to live by their wits, being outcasts and travelers.
Sorry any gypsy folks reading this.
Actually abusive parents are fabulous at conning the workers. I've heard ot them even swapping a healthy kid for one they've murdered and getting the work, especially if new ot the case, but workers can have up to 100 kids on a 40 family caseload....it would not be too hard to lose track of what one child looks like when you see them only once a month.
A great many CPS clients have jail time in their past....and the WANT to learn the skills. I'd tell you more of them, having worked with that population, but I don't want to give you any more lying skill than you already have (which is pitiful by the way).
Maybe you should go spend sometime in jail and learn a useful, if not honest trade.
Yep. But that isn't the case most of the time. Why? Ask a cop she is doing all shift long?
It's a time and personnel problem pooky.
Yah civilians think cops and caseworkers have nothing to do but what you dream up. Trust me, they are up to their eyeballs in work all the time, or it 2 in the morning and "welfare checks" don't go down very well.
Wrong. That is false. A very few police are trained in child abuse work. Sometimes departments rotate officers. But it is NOT terribly popular. It is painful. Too adult messing each other up is bad enough, but a dead or savaged child...no, that is not good, not good, not good, not go......s'cuse me.
Lie. They value each other highly for what each brings to the issue.
Nope. Not true. And investigators are paid to pick nits dummy. A cop that investigated like you want CPS investigators to work would be in some serious trouble.
That's what makes the work hard...they can't just buy the facade the perp puts up. Pick the nit is the name of the game, because that is so often where the evidence will be.
Especially with certain kind of clever cons using the tactics you use in this ng. Criminals have been known ot hide the evidence. Did you know that?
Cops are not ***igned to these on a regular basis as are workers. Big men, or women, with guns tend to make families nervous. Very.
Or the cops were busy doing cop things.
Now the sensitive Greegor the Whore finally surfaces. Heart of Gold.
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Ama ...@dcfwatch.com (Ama
What? You mean some moron who knows the CPS number, whatever that is, is having a hard time understanding laws are written by legislatures?
You should call your high school history teacher, they'd be more than happy to explain "who writes laws" Amanda glad our abused kids have such a fine selection of educated individuals to choose from
Ama ...@dcfwatch.com (Ama
Yay! Dan to the rescue.
Shhhh! He thinks he's going to invent it.. let him go.
Aye aye
Ama ...@dcfwatch.com (Ama
Do you REALLY think they need your letter to tell them that? Why on earth would YOUR letter help them see better than the freaking autopsy report?
get a grip
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
Successfuly dozens of times for himself and others.
I'd be interested in know how many and by what methods you have been personally and directly instrumental in the return of children to their parents from state custody by child welfare.
The information could be useful for other families.
Or has your personal ax grinding not produced any results for others...yourself then?
Incongruous response based on the content of his statement. If the law, as he states, is already there, how then could you suppose he thinks he is going to invent (***umes lack of existence) something?
***uming you mean to be cynical and dismissing, would less responsible caseworkers be more to your liking?
Or no caseworkers?
Do you wish children to be feely killed and otherwise abused by their parents without protect for the children?
It's seem odd that you, apparently a watcher of your local CPS agency, fails to get it when someone that has had the successes Dan has comments on a particular case.
If you really meant to help families, and reform CPS you might want to study someone that has and is activily involved in doing so with more success than I've found from ANY other source in over 30 years.
He hammers NY and his methods are applicable in all states. When he wins he leaves CPS reeling in a way you twits can only wish for. It's when the system constraints are used to successfully beat them they really have to sit up and take notice.
That experience is the one they respond to with change and improvement. All the lobbying, all the screaming excesses are something CPS workers are trained to deal with...usually by setting such behavior aside and getting on with the job.
Basically you align yourself with the client perps that are in denial and hostile, and you are ignored, while Dan, using the same kind of attention to detail and fact CPS workers are supposed to do, slams them.
Continue in your childish and foolish attacks....which seems to be the forte of just about all you ninnies, and you'll continue to get the results you do.
A victory by accident here and there, compared to his clockwork like results of victory following on the heels of victory after victory.
It starts to look like, after a time, you are just entertaining yourselves.....as in playing with.
Kane
Ama ...@dcfwatch.com (Ama
I've got all mine online.
Who? me?
the person asking, not dan.
I think they're all pretty irresponsible. I've met two in the last 5 years that seemed to have it together. I think a good caseworker is the exception, rather than the rule.
i'm all for no caseworkers in child protection, yes.
I think law enforcement can prevent crime, and I think if it is not a crime then they have no grounds to become involved.
I think Dan has it good in that he makes CPS adhere to policy, procedure, and law, but I don't see eye to eye on everything, which, if you notice.. i don't talk smack with Dan, do I? I respect him, not necessarily all of his opinions.
I do and am... CPSWatch :) He has HIS methods.. I have mine. People are free to choose which ones they like. But notice.. just because i disagree with his logic doesn't mean I feel his methods suck or are ineffective.. I simply choose not to employ all of them.
That experience, not necessarily his, Kane.
I've never been ignored. It's not something I tolerate.
Please don't resort to name calling in place of actual knowledge. I am not Greegor, nor Kathline, and I don't deserve being called a ninny.
Accident? Have you been to MY site? Have you seen MY work in action?
I hardly think you are qualified to judge MY victories or the lack thereof.
I don't play. I aim to win, and I go until I've accomplished my goal.
pohakuyakok ...@subdimension.com (Kane)
Why is it you folks can't answer directly. I asked how many.
And by what means.
I'm not visiting your site, thank you. If you don't wish to answer here, don't. Make me no never mind.
But I did ask the question HERE, not on your website. .
Who, weasel?
Then attribute or reference correctly if you wish to not be misunderstood.
Of course you do. You mistake can't for won't. Ever been a caseworker, or even gone ride along? You couldn't do it.
Cops then. Yes, they are immune from human errors, shortfalls in training, and veniality. They'd never abridge or violate the constitution. We can tell by the news.
They don't. Except by the threat implied that the perp will be caught and punished. Believe it or not they are not outside your house listening for cries from your child, which of course you could easily muffle.
Have you noticed large reductions in crime attributed to the presence of the police? Some programs have a slight impact but not, as in NY, that required some extremely questionable, constitutionally, tactics by the police.
Want that in child welfare and safety issues? You'll get a hell of a lot more parental interference if it's up to the cops. They tend to be less liberal and MORE rigid in matters of of inforcement, or haven't you figured that out, life experience wise?
Then you misunderstand the constitution and do wish children to be feely killed.
In fact, CPS is, if one digs down, and hunkers down and thinks about it, a civil rights enforcement agency for an underrepresented vulnerable group...just as their are agencies for protecting the elderly and disabled.
Did you know that cops cannot intervene legally if they do not see a crime in progress or they have not been informed of one? Who do you think informs them most now in child welfare and safety issues?
I'm not sure even cops understand this issue very well. To keep children from being killed, presuming that is an issue to society, cops will have to push the constitutional limits waaaaaay more than caseworkers do...cops have guns and crowd control devices <smile> that caseworkers lack And much more likely, inlike caseworkers, there will be no stopping them at your door because they WILL so with warrants or probably cause sufficient to kick in your door.
I don't want to give away their trade secrets (and some CPS are ex cops and visversa) but they know many very good ways to make constitutionally supported entry kinda sorta happen, legally.
If you just speak the right word to a cop standing at your door (and she isn't going tell you what it is before hand) your are going to be down on your belly screaming like a pig from the pain.
Cops aren't social workers and they know very much more where the line is between what you can get away with and what you can't when it comes to a confrontation than a caseworker...and thank goodness for that...you better.
And the caseworker may not "restrain" and cuff you for questioning.
Want to tell a cop they can't, just on reasonable suspicion ... ask a cop what it takes for reasonable suspicion.
Damn you people take the cake for stupid.
CPS was a solution to and avoidance of a police state family intrusion system. COPS USED TO TAKE KIDS...and there was considerable collusion and corruption going on. Look into the old newspapers, espcially but not restricted to the south...and the babies were ALL WHITE HEALTHY AND ADOPTABLE...and the money was direct...not state controlled.
I have the same relationship. However I think you miss the point. What you, and many such as you, fail to get is that they very things you don't see eye to eye with him on are things where you fail and he succeeds.
He doesn't need to line up pickets. He knows how to reduce the opponents close to one on one. He uses the system . You fight the system.
And I'm CPSWatcher and none of you can hold a candle to him for his success ratio, either by case or by his number...ONE opponent of CPS.
He flatters me that I have helped him. My input very likely added ounces to his elephant when his familes walk into court leading it.
And it craps all over the worker.
I've been learning this for over thirty years...decades on him and he is good. Trust me.
Yupseedoodle.
You may notice that I was not addressing you solely. Each case is unique, but they do have a few solid rock constants...he knows what they are and how to find them and how to use them.
I've read the CPSWatch and similar sites. You folks have a great deal to learn.
His methods and mine differ, but I use the same materials. I am a smoozer. They love me at CPS, but they keep scratchin' their butts trying to find the burr. All I do and have done for 30 year, is just teach people how to use CPS to their advantage, take advantage of the weaknesses, and how to smile their way to the door with the kiddies in tow.
I'm something of a wholesaler. Dan's a canny retailer. I don't think Dan has a lock on what he does. Where did I suggest that? I don't expect you to search, but I ***ure you, Dan shares quite freely if one simply reads and understands his posts. He's not teaching, just doing. If you look at the questions he asks someone, they look simple, but if you ponder the answer to each one and the use he can make of them, even a simple, "what state are you in" is loaded.
It narrows down the resources he has to consult and or find.
I doubt you understand when and how you are ignored. It isn't always by inattention, it's more often by diversion. As I said, the yellers and screamers and accusers are met with pretty standard diversions. I could teach you them, but you'd misuse them and simply call out the next higher level of diversionary tactics.
They almost got me with them the first time I confronted. The next week I got a call from a county commissioner, no not his secretary, inviting me to serve on an advisory board for all social services.
Unfortunatly for them my poly sci prof had taught me the concept of preemption. And I just turned it on them.
Here's just a little it did: Sabotaged and turned a big Law Enforcement ***istance (LEA, look it up) federal funding package popular in the 70's, from surveillance cameras over the street corners where teen "delinquents" hung out...R R RR....into youth center development.
I used the local newpaper publisher, who was a former board member, and a waterskiing buddy for that one.
I stopped dead a federally funded program that came in to survey ...
Gree ...@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson)
Amanda, Have you ever met Dan in person?
I think he's a figment of the internet imagination.
When you described diverging from Dan's approach, you should know that THAT is central to his disrespect of others.
He seems to insist that his is the absolute and ONLY way to resolve CPS problems.
Dan's intolerance of any other views other than his own is his biggest flaw.
He has derided CPSWATCH and most other parents rights groups nationwide, just as Kane has. Check the archives.
Kane seems to just be Dan's alter ego.
An "avatar" used to swear more.
Sicofant is an understatement.
Even funnier is that while Dan sometimes presents information that has tremendous importance for DEFENDING parents rights, he has a habit of posting it and then back pedaling away from the HUGE implications it has for parents fighting CPS abuses.
Paterson's TBBD report for example.
Revealed that spiral fractures are in fact NOT indicicative of parental child abuse, just the opposite, the research shows parental child abuse in those cases is not even likely.
The report completely reverses the standard for probability that CPS uses.
But Dan back pedaled from these huge implications.
VERY strange.
"Dan Sullivan" dsull...@optonline.net
And the people who posted that I helped them get their or their relatives children back from foster care?
Jennifer?
Chuck?
Ric Thompson?
Jessica?
All figments?
Not at all.
You are sooooo full of shit, Greg.
And pray tell us what YOUR strategy is We will all keep in mind that you've never been successful in getting a child home from foster care EVEN ONCE.
So please be very detailed in your response so we'll know exactly what you're talking about.
Not at all, Greg.
Citations, please.
Ahh, never mind, Greg.
You're just full of shit.
Not at all.
Sicofant isn't even a word.
When did I do that, Greg?
When did I do that, Greg?
You can't post any citations to support any of your claims about me, Greg.
No, it isn't.
You've always been this way.
All BS and hot air.
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