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"EvilPundit" nos...@nospam.com
A new study demonstrates that high rates of teenage pregnancy are directly linked to the absence of fathers from the family. Not mentioned in the study is the fact that the major cause of fatherlessness in Western societies is the feminist-driven agenda of the divorce industry, supported by sexist laws and sexist courts that discriminate against men. Thank you again, feminists and the Family Court.
Extract from article: Girls who grow up without their fathers are at more at risk of becoming pregnant while still teenagers, long-term studies in the US and New Zealand suggest.
Researchers say the absence of biological fathers from the home is the most significant factor for teenage pregnancy.
The link between a father's absence and teenage girls having sex has long been noted, but many researchers have attributed it to factors ***ociated with divorce such as poverty and family conflict. But the new findings suggest the link is more direct.
The study's author, Bruce Ellis, said: "These findings may support social policies that encourage fathers to remain in families with their children." This would not apply to families with high conflict or violence.
Dr Ellis, who teaches at the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, said the findings warranted serious attention in Australia, which has the sixth highest teenage pregnancy rate in the world, according to an article published Medical Journal of Australia last month.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/22/1064082932408.html
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This is better than Faggots and Sluts walking the streets at the present time !
Anything is better that a poofter !!! a traitor indeed to both his country and his race !
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Mr. F. Le Mur lemur...@comxcast.net
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->The link between a father's absence and teenage girls having sex has long
->been noted, but many researchers have attributed it to factors ***ociated
->with divorce such as poverty and family conflict. But the new findings
->suggest the link is more direct.
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->The study's author, Bruce Ellis, said: "These findings may support social
->policies that encourage fathers to remain in families with their children."
->This would not apply to families with high conflict or violence.
IOW, it would not apply when the mother doesn't want it to apply or if the mother is the violent party. IOW, the new policies would have exactly the same effect as current polices.
The article stated: "The study revealed that the earlier a father left, the greater the risk of teenage pregnancy." Since most fathers are kicked out rather than leaving, they're either omitting most of the cases or they're purposely mistating what actually happens. I'll be generous and blame it on Bettina, the Popmedia writress. Bettina also failed to mention where, or if, the article had been published - though she did mention that the Medical Journal of Australia published some other article.
claire_ ...@yahoo.com (Claire)
Clearly that is not what he said. Reread.
"This would not apply to families with a high conflict or violence." You're not suggesting that women tolerate a violent and abusive husband are you?
Claire
"Edmund Esterbauer" edmu...@ozemail.com.au
No. He was suggesting that many women are irresponsible and use divorce for personal gain to the detriment of children.
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David Simpson farook...@picknowl.com.au
You're not suggesting that men tolerate a violent and abusive wife, are you?
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hyerda ...@aol.com (Hyerdahl1)
Even if we ignore the fact that poverty and family conflict play a part in the effects of father absence, blaming women for the absense of fathers isn't likely. :-) Feminism sees right thru that.
Well, we don't generally reward people for bad behavior, nor can we give special rights to fathers for good behavior. IN that regard, even the Bush administration is very limited in what they can do to "encourage" fathers to simply do their duty.
mother is the violent party. Conflict is conflict and the the child should not be harmed BY the conflict whether the CP is male or female. More men who want to BE CPs should take on the primary care of their kids.
Current policies are already very fair, opting for what the parents themselves have put into action. If the father is the primary caregiver, HE can be the CP; if there is no conflict, more equal custody or visitation is possible.
greater the risk of teenage pregnancy." Indeed. In fact, it makes sense. A teen girl might well be eager to remake her childhood a success for herself; she might thing she could do it better than her parents, even without a father in the home.
AND she's had a role model, so perhaps she realizes that she can have a family with or without a husband. In fact, her own mother might be more than willing to help her. Otherwise, she could have chosen abortion.
omitting most of the cases or they're purposely mistating Divorce is not between the father and kids; it's between the mother and father.
Thus, few fathers are "kicked out" of having a relationship with his kids. He simply can't control his wife anymore, which probably was the inspiration of the divorce in the first place.
I'll be generous and blame it on Bettina, article had been published - though she did mention Ah, so we have no proof for this grand new alleged finding? Good to know.
Mr. F. Le Mur lemur...@comxcast.net
->Mr. F. Le Mur <lemur...@comxcast.net> wrote in message <>...
->> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:11:16 +1000, "EvilPundit" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
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->> ->
->> ->The link between a father's absence and teenage girls having sex has long
->> ->been noted, but many researchers have attributed it to factors ***ociated
->> ->with divorce such as poverty and family conflict. But the new findings
->> ->suggest the link is more direct.
->> ->
->> ->The study's author, Bruce Ellis, said: "These findings may support social
->> ->policies that encourage fathers to remain in families with their children."
->> ->This would not apply to families with high conflict or violence.
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->> IOW, it would not apply when the mother doesn't want it to apply or
->> if the mother is the violent party.
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->Clearly that is not what he said. Reread.
I know what they said. I wrote down what will happen; not tough to predict since it's what already happens.
->"This would not apply to families with a high conflict or violence."
->You're not suggesting that women tolerate a violent and abusive husband are you?
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->Claire
eccns1 ...@yahoo.co.uk (Liz)
In some instances this may be the case but do you seriously think a father is going to stay in a dead end relationship "just incase his daughter gets pregnant" if he leaves. I think not.
eccns1 ...@yahoo.co.uk (Liz)
If a teenage girl is going to have an intimate encounter, she will regardless of wether her father is in her life or not.
dg ...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
70%+ of all divorces... See Sanford Braver " Divorced Dads; Shattering The Myths ", Chapter 7, and " The Unexpected Legacy Of Divorce; A 25 Year Landmark Study ", by Judith Wallerstein.
I'd say that 70%+ of millions of divorces every year qualifies as " many "...
Not according to the *very women surveyed* in Braver... Since no such reasons made their top four list of reasons...
Relatively few, indeed.
Indeed. You want to blame *men for women's choices*...
How... misogynist of you...
You MS-spelled " accurate "...
Free Clue: Even twenty year old studies ( As noted in David Thomas' " Not Guilty; The Case In defense Of Men " ) note that DV is equally a problem of women attacking men, as the other way around.
Andre
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skenny ...@dodah.com
Are 'feminists' divorcing their husbands? Or is it Susy Six-Pack who just got knocked over the couch by an abusive redneck husband named 'Bubba?' There's a magic word---'think!' Think they'll bother?
the redhead
dg ...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
Yet, in reply, you offer.... NOTHING.
Uh huh.
Free Clue: Anyone speaking of " sounding " in a *written* forum has already displayed their ( her ) own ignorance..
Next !
So, if you have better, offer it !
Oh, I'm sorry... you *can't*. Got it.
Just pointing out an *error*. If you can't take your errors being pointed out, then turn off your computer, and huddle in your basement...
Andre
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dg ...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
So you *say*, yet... *cannot prove*...
Uh huh.
Handwaving is not a refutation of anything. So, your *empty claims* stand as... *empty claims*.
Yet, you *failed* to address the Wallerstein book....
And, I've mentioned other books, such as Barbara Dafoe Whitehead's " The Divorce Culture ", and Kate Fillion's " Lip Service; The Truth About Women's Darker Side In Love, Sex And Relationships ".
No, just *correcting* your pitiful attempt to " correct " me...
In this medium, an *inaccurate* " common expression "...
AS are your claims...
Mna, do I love being *right*....
Indeed.
Andre
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David Simpson farook...@picknowl.com.au
Aren't there "many" women who are abusive, unfaithful, non-supportive and thus deserving of divorce? Or is it a "few"?
Of course your attitude is that women are always blameless. My ex-wife was unfaithful. Does that mean that I was wrong in not divorcing her?
She was the one who ended up divorcing me.
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Pat Winstanley wallopcods2...@yahoo.co.uk
Where?
I don't see that said above, except by you.
And then you get the situation where the husband was unfaithful and the wife divorced the husband.
And you get the situation where wife runs off and husband or wife files, or husband runs off and husband or wife files etc, etc Who divorced who (who filed) is irrelevant, and blaming the other is pointless, since in the vast majority of cases BOTH spouses behaved badly towards each other, even if only one can point to a single specific episode of adultery, violence etc rather than the pair both treating each other like shit until one just isn't prepared to put up with it any longer and calls for formalisation of the pre-existing fact that the marriage doesn't actually exist now.
As for who files... usually the one who first accepts the marriage is dead and simply wants to formalise that and just get on with their life, and leave their partner to get on with theirs.
dg ...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
Maybe you should look up " failure to refute the points raised by the data ", as well as " failure to offer ANY refuting data at all. " <waffle> LOL ! I'm not the one disputing, on a matter of *uncited claims*, actual data...
<yawn> Useless, in the face of your INABILTY to offer ANY refuting data.
" This isn't an argument, its just contradiction. " Monty Python.
Using their methods does not constitute a counter argument.
Translation: " Being UNABLE to refute what Andre actually wrote, I will now play the dishonest womanfirster game of denying it was said. " Riigghhhttt. ( Dr. Evil voice ) Andre
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hyerda ...@aol.com (Hyerdahl1)
linked to the absence of fathers from the family. Not mentioned in the>study Actually, what you're complaining about is the FACT that women have the same right to divorce men that...men have to divorce women. AND, feminism sponsors the equal right for women to work for equal pay.
That women can work for equal pay, doesn't inspire divorce; it inspires freeing the house 'nigger'. (I only use that word for effect) Thus, if a woman is in a good marriage where the husband does his fair share, divorce won't be an issue. :-) Thank you again, feminists>> and the Family Court.
You're welcome! Equality often strikes fear and envy into the hearts of bigots. As to girls who decide to have children by themsleves, hold onto your seatbelts...it's a an ongoing interest. Women like the notion of having their own family AND a career. That leaves little time for a sexist partner.
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you can throw whatever misinterpretation you so wish, hag. It does not change the fact that there is a clear correlation between fatherlessness and teenage pregnancies... and a whole lot more too.
It also leaves little for their children too, as the current correlation between fatherlessness and teenage pregnancy demonstrates.
hyerda ...@aol.com (Hyerdahl1)
Do you have something against young women having their OWN babies? Perhaps that concerns you much more than the young teen girls themselves, eh?
bigots. As to girls who decide to have children by themsleves, hold onto correlation>between fatherlessness and teenage pregnancy demonstrates.
A "correlation" does not causation make; I contend that young teen girls who watch their moms, learn from them. Thus you are equating all teen pregnancy with something negative, while I am looking at some of the positive aspects.
Girls who grow up in homes run by mom, have a role model to have a home run by mom. In fact, a few years back there was a study showing that these girls were much more independent than girls from two parent homes, and more successful in their own lives. Perhaps the two parent model isn't all it's cracked up to be.
"offline" offl...@yahoo.com
To start with, a baby doesn't belong to only parent. it takes two to tango, no? Just because at this time the law is sexist and bias against men, thereby allowing men to be thrown out of their own homes and child/rens lives still doesn't mean a mother OWNs the child. And even IF it did, no, i did not suggest anywhere in the above that i have something against anyone.
aspects.
aka, the only.
to be.
Perhaps you should tell the feminist style two-mother families then as well.
It was an "old" report you were referring to, no?
One that i dare say you have evidence of...
David Simpson farook...@picknowl.com.au
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:54:23 +0100, Pat Winstanley <wallopcods2...@yahoo.co.uk> typed All true. I was pointing out that it is not always the man who is in the wrong or who is the abusive partner which seems to be the point raised by most of the (especially female) posters on this subject.
I could not agree more about who files. That is not important and is actually not pertinent to the direction this thread was taking. What is important that all people realise that the threat of physical violence, while usually coming from the man, can also come from the woman. In the same manner I maintain that intellectual violence can come from either side. Both sorts of violence in my opinion are abhorrent to any society and should be discouraged by everyone.
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Pat Winstanley wallopcods2...@yahoo.co.uk
Absolutely.
The point is, who actually *files* for divorce is no measure of who (if one more than the other) was to blame for the marriage falling apart.
Ditto, who leaves is no measure either.
Especially male ones too.... :-)) Don't fall into the trap (that you fell into above) that the feminists and misogynists would have you caught in... the trap that you are supposed to support members of your own sex, right or wrong.
Normal, sensible people (male and female) are well aware that it's not predominently men and its not predominently women who are in the wrong, abusive etc. The blind stereotyping that the fanatics (male and female) use simply serve to cloud the issue, and do nothing to help sort out strategies for solving the issues.
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