Snuff vs. chewing tobacco
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maleh ...@hotmail.com (maleho66)
Which is better, snorthing snuff or chewing tobacco? I'm turning 18 in a couple of days and i'm going to try to find snuff and if they don't have any, i'll get finely cut cherry flavored skoal
"C. S. P. Schofield" cspschofi...@erols.com
What do you mean "better"? More likely to drive your parents into a screaming hissy fit? Go right out and buy a big pouch of Red Man and start carrying a spit cup. They'll forget all about the eyebrow ring; I guarantee you.
For general burning sensation in the mucus membranes, it's hard to beat snuff without actually snorting tabasco. Of course if that's what you are after, just snort tabasco.
You're going to have to try out vices on your own. They are, almost all of them, matters of personal taste.
"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
***uming you are not already addicted to spit tobacco (probably a very bad bet), visit a hospital and check out the patients with tongue/larynx/esophogeal/etc. cancers. Talk to them; get their stories.
Those are not pretty cancers and they are a horrible way to die. Do you really want to do that to yourself?
"squeezer" austi...@1access.net
Gee Paul. You make it sound like there's a huge risk in smokeless tobacco.
What is it the ACSH said? Let me look quick. Ah, yes, here it is: "In Table 1 we compare directly the annual mortality of 46 million smokers and an equal number of smokeless tobacco users. The number of deaths from smoking is almost 70 times higher than the number from smokeless tobacco use. In terms of life expectancy, the smokeless-tobacco user loses only about 15 days on average, compared with the eight years lost by the smoker." I would guess he could chew all his life, hang out with a group of smokeless tobacco users and never see any of them get oral cancer.
What was that Florida campaign against smokeless tobacco. They spent millions of dollars and it was estimated they saved 1 life? ROFL
"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
Hopefully the boy will make that decision for himself.
smoker." "The number of deaths from smokeless tobacco users is almost ?? times higher than the number from non-tobacco users? You seem to have left out that part.
I'd be willing to bet that you're wrong.
What is the value of a life? What is the value of your child's life?
I asked the young man to take a close look before he makes a decision that has the possibility of ruining his life. How are you helping him?
"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
Joe's lifestyle is none of my business - or yours. He makes no effort to push his sexual morays on you or anybody else. No foul.
How is that relevant to anything? Most smokers will live longer than those who swim regularly in crocodile infested rivers too but that has little bearing on the inherent dangers of smoking.
Smokers aren't insulted, people are insulted. There are those on your side who insist they aren't smokers who get the same treatment. If the shoe fits.
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"squeezer" austi...@1access.net
Merely because I didn't feel like looking it up. Just like you.
If 46 million smokers turn to smokeless tobacco it's estimated there would be only 6,000 deaths/year. Current smokeless tobacco users are what, a couple of million? As I said, the Florida campaign was estimated to have saved one life. Don't bet a whole lot.
I guess I should take their bicycles away, huh? Never let them get a drivers license? Never let them go swimming again or eat doughnuts? Never let them play golf because of lightning? I think not. I even let them sit in the front seat of the car despite the airbag warnings.
You imply a great risk from smokeless tobacco. There is not. I'm just cleaning up the misinformation you Bubble People leave in your wake.
"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
I'm not asking you to. I'm just pointing out that you only gave part of the story and the other part represents a significant threat.
I implied a risk - a risk that they young man should evaluate carefully before making a decision that could cost him his life. You would have him believe that there is no risk and that is just plain irresponsible.
"squeezer" austi...@1access.net
Not significant. There's not much risk to start with.
Telling someone to visit a hospital does not only imply a risk, but a great risk. Did you have your kids visit a hospital before allowing them to ride their first bicycle?
Were you sweating bullets the first time you gave your kids a doughnut? Did you tell them the risks involved? I'll bet not. On second thought I'll bet you did. Let me modify that: Did you have them talk to a dietician?
I doubt there is any kid in the U.S. who hasn't been told the risks of tobacco use. I really don't think he needs you to tell him.
Mr. Pink MrP...@kbilly.soundsofthe70s
And you ***ume the original poster is too stupid to notice this? I guess so - you didn't think he'd notice that you didn't post it either.
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"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
Tell that to the people dying of oral cancers or living witout jaws, tongues, voice boxes, etc. - not to me.
Agreed.
Are you implying that there isn't significant risk from children riding bicycles? Young kids aren't going to equate risk to what they see in a hospital. Hopefully they young man will.
I didn't give doughnuts, cookies, candy, etc. to my young kids. Once they were out in society, I let them learn about sweets but I don't keep them in the house and I didn't give them sweets between meals. Do I think there is a risk? You bet.
If he's asking questions about what form of tobacco he should start using, then he needs all the advice he can get. If he chooses to ignore it, that's his decision but it certainly isn't yours.
"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
so - you didn't think he'd notice that you didn't post it Since he asked, I ***ume that the original poster is looking for information. If he chooses to ignore it, that's his decision but it is not mine or yours to make. Therefore, I present the info and expect you to keep your opinion re. my advice to yourself.
"squeezer" austi...@1access.net
That doesn't change the facts one bit.
But there is not a great risk. There is an increased risk.
If this is true, why the indoctrination of grade school kids as to the dangers of tobacco use? Are you agreeing that money is being pissed away on these programs?
I'll bet you don't hand out Halloween candy.
There may be some risk with eating doughnuts and candy, but the risks are far outweighed by the pleasure factor.
Smokeless tobacco is the safest form of tobacco to use. When you equate smokeless tobacco to a great risk, this kid may decide he may as well smoke.
You don't do anybody any favors by exaggerating the risks of something.
"squeezer" austi...@1access.net
What info did you present? You told him to visit a hospital. What kind of info is that?
"PRSmith" prsm...@houston.rr.com
You're absolutely right, it certainly doesn't change the facts one bit.
That's why he should very carefully analyze his options and the odd of becoming a statistic before making such a decision. You obviously would withhold such information from him. Very sporting of you.
Semantics. Again, tell it to those who suffer and die.
Nope. Small toys mostly. The kids love them.
Well, once again we disagree. What else is new?
Precisely why it's important for him to look closely at the alternatives.
Spit tobacco, while safer than smoking, is not a safe alternative.
"squeezer" austi...@1access.net
If he lives in the US, he already was provided that information.
Information, btw, that you didn't provide. You merely told him to visit a hospital. And do you really think ANYBODY would bother going through all that trouble?
Why should I tell that to them? I'm sure their doctor already told them that what they have is rare.
And choke on them.
It is if you're planning on using tobacco. Are you that dense? He wasn't asking if he should use tobacco or not.
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