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papaj ...@stic.net (Papa Jack)
On Sep. 10, the ***ociation of Reproductive Health Professionals released a statement titled: "National Clinical Conference Addresses the Question, 'Unintended Pregnancy -- Are Healthcare Providers to Blame?" Go to: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020910/180/288s2.html ________________________________________________________________________ Excerpts: New research to be presented on Sept. 12, at the ***ociation of Reproductive Health Professionals' (ARHP) 39th annual meeting, Reproductive Health 2002, examines the potential effects of miscommunication between healthcare providers and patients on unintended pregnancies ending in abortion.
Jennifer Isaacs, MD, and Mitchell D. Creinin, MD, from University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine conducted the research.
The study used a retrospective analysis of 357 patient charts from women seeking an office abortion in a private practice setting from January 1999 to June 2001. The analysis found that only 18 percent of women were using their birth control method correctly with no known risk of failure. Twenty one percent of women were using their birth control method correctly but experienced an event that put them at risk for pregnancy, 31 percent were using their birth control method incorrectly, 27 percent were using no birth control method at all, and 4 percent had initially planned the pregnancy. Miscommunication between patients and their healthcare pro-
vider(s) could be determined by patient history to have significantly and negatively affected use of a primary contraceptive method in 14 percent of patients.
Although 27 percent of women knew about emergency contra-
ception (EC), more than half of these women could have used EC but did not do so. Of the 73 percent of women who did not know about EC, nearly 2/3 had an identifiable event that resulted in pregnancy for which EC could have been used.
The study concludes healthcare providers contribute to the unintended pregnancy rate and the number of abortions per-
formed annually in the US by providing poor medical advice or miscommunicating with patients.
[...] ________________________________________________________________________ Papa Jack comments: Amazing. "... The analysis found that only 18 percent of women were using their birth control method correctly with no known risk of failure." How many years have the PARs been telling us women weren't responsible for unintended pregnancies -- it was the fault of the birth control method used.
It would seem the specialists in this field could greatly improve on the education of women about how to use birth control methods -- and, how to use EC when needed. That could sharply reduce the killing of unwanted children during pregnancies.
"Loose Cannon" efber...@hotmail.com
Really? Haven't seen that argued too persuasively. Unfortunately, BC isn't always foolproof, even when properly used. This study would indicate that happens far too frequently.
Excellent idea, PJ, ***uming you meant to say "reduce the number of abortions". I think most of the enlightened regulars here can at least agree with you on this, if little else. How do we get started? Do you suppose we can get GW to sign off on this?
In any event, you might need to use your powers of persuasion to get Terry G., Belk, and other minions of the RCC on board. I suspect they'll be less than enthusiastic.
Pat Winstanley ng_w...@yahoo.co.uk
Which also means that about 70% of the women seeking abortions clearly had 'responsible' sex (in terms of taking reasonable precautions to avoid an unwanted pregnancy), and also clearly signalled they had not intended to become pregnant or continue a pregnancy at that time.
So much for *choosing* to become pregnant! ;-))
"Spartakus" sparta...@my-deja.com
What's this?! Are you now coming out in favor of comprehensive sex education instead of abstinence-based sex education??? Have you cleared this with the Christian Republican Anti-Sex League?
"M is for Malapert" some...@attbi.com
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PJ joins Orrin Hatch and other abortion hypocrites in distinguishing between an embryo, and an embryo "developing in a mother's womb".
Or, as pro-liar Connie Mack put it in justifying his stem-cell hypocrisy, "For me, as long as that fertilized egg is not destined to be placed in a uterus, it cannot become life." Unfortunately, most abortion hypocrites, even the stem-cell hypocrites who don't think an embryo is a precious preborn child until it's in a woman's womb against her wishes, also oppose emergency contraception. Most Catholic hospitals won't give a woman EC even after she's been raped, and more than half won't even tell her about that option or refer her someplace where she can get it. Wal-Mart won't stock it, and many pharmacists refuse to fill prescriptions for it. The religious right's paid-for politicians support all this, as well as opposing any effort to tell the women most at risk for unwanted pregnancy about EC.
"M is for Malapert" some...@attbi.com
How interesting. Because those abortions are typically unreported to the CDC. In some states, like California, office abortions are technically illegal, although 29% of board-certified ob-gyns in the Los Angeles area reported offering that service to their private patients in one confidential study. We're talking well-off, mostly white women with private health insurance here, in both that piece of research and this study. I'd love to know what percentage were married.
You know, that is so true. But the strange thing is, some of those specialists don't WANT to educate women about EC. In fact, they even want to prevent women from obtaining it, and some want to be able to lie to women about it or do other things to keep women away from it.
So I guess we can ***ume you would be against that, Papa Jack?
Joseph P. Belk jpb...@fuse.net
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:41:00 -0500, "Loose Cannon" Well....
I am absolutely enthusiastic about the ***ignment of much of the blame for birth control's ineffectiveness on counsellors at abortuaries and other Planned Parenthood types. However, birth control is inherently prone to failure and failure in birth control always sets a woman up to make the "choice". So, less hypocritical effort by PP won't change the basic dynamic, that contraception leads to abortion. Planned Parenthood and the "independent" abortuaries know this, and one cannot expect them to do "better" at counseling for contraception, because that would be bad for business.
I can't get excited about emergency contraception (EC) because the nature of the drug is to frequently cause very early abortion. For a pro-life advocate, not even the earliest abortion is a good one. I would agree that EC prevents an abortion about as often as it causes one, but I don't count that as an advantage.
Like a large minority of pro-life advocates, I subscribe to moral teaching which identifies contraception as inherently immoral all on its own, as a violation of natural law which demeans the human dignity of both partners in contracepted sex. I also have noted before how the resort to contraception creates an acceptance of abortion as the way to deal with the inevitable contraceptive failures. Finally, there are the usually unrecognized or actively white-washed dangers of contraception damaging physical health. In an environment where sexually transmitted diseases are pandemic, and many are incurable or potentially fatal or both, offering contraception is equivalent to offering smokers low-tar cigarettes - it doesn't qualify as a solution to public health concerns.
Let's face the truth, that abstaining from sex is 100% effective at preventing conception, abortion, STD's, and _nothing else is_, Now, proponents in good faith of "choice" should willingly join us in pushing for more vigorous abstinence-based sexual education initiatives, which the radical abortion advocates have always opposed precisely because these programs are effective at reducing the incidence of abortion.
The right choices are to abstain from sex until marriage and to accept within marriage the children who are, after all, blessings from God.
References: http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/humanaevitae.htm http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/gospeloflife.html Here is an excerpt from the second document: It is frequently ***erted that contraception, if made safe and available to all, is the most effective remedy against abortion. The Catholic Church is then accused of actually promoting abortion, because she obstinately continues to teach the moral unlawfulness of contraception. When looked at carefully, this objection is clearly unfounded. It may be that many people use contraception with a view to excluding the subsequent temptation of abortion. But the negative values inherent in the "contraceptive mentality"??”which is very different from responsible parenthood, lived in respect for the full truth of the conjugal act??”are such that they in fact strengthen this temptation when an unwanted life is conceived. Indeed, the pro-
abortion culture is especially strong precisely where the Church's teaching on contraception is rejected. Certainly, from the moral point of view contraception and abortion are specifically different evils: the former contradicts the full truth of the sexual act as the proper expression of conjugal love, while the latter destroys the life of a human being; the former is opposed to the virtue of chastity in marriage, the latter is opposed to the virtue of justice and directly violates the divine commandment "You shall not kill".
But despite their differences of nature and moral gravity, contraception and abortion are often closely connected, as fruits of the same tree. It is true that in many cases contraception and even abortion are practised under the pressure of real- life difficulties, which nonetheless can never exonerate from striving to observe God's law fully. Still, in very many other instances such practices are rooted in a hedonistic mentality unwilling to accept responsibility in matters of sexuality, and they imply a self-centered concept of freedom, which regards procreation as an obstacle to personal fulfilment. The life which could result from a sexual encounter thus becomes an enemy to be avoided at all costs, and abortion becomes the only possible decisive response to failed contraception.
The close connection which exists, in mentality, between the practice of contraception and that of abortion is becoming increasingly obvious. It is being demonstrated in an alarming way by the development of chemical products, intrauterine devices and vaccines which, distributed with the same ease as contraceptives, really act as abortifacients in the very early stages of the development of the life of the new human being. --John Paul II in _Evangelium Vitae_.
Joseph Belk ***************************************************** No one is master of life; no one has the right to manipulate, oppress, or even take life, neither that of others or his own.
To recognize the value of human life implies consistent measures from the legal point of view, especially the protection of human beings who are unable to defend themselves, such as the unborn, the mentally handicapped, and the most seriously or terminally ill. In particular, in regard to the human embryo, science has now demonstrated that it is a human individual who possesses his own identity from conception.
Therefore, it is logical to exact that this identity be legally recognized, above all in its fundamental right to life. Pope John Paul II, "Angelus Address" (Feb. 3, 2002) *****************************************************
"M is for Malapert" some...@attbi.com
And who needs it anyway, when you can get off on your own thinking about abortion and sex and contraception and sex and teenagers and sex and priests and sex and sex and sex and sex?
Ron Nicholson ba...@rogers.com
I do admire your posts. I do find it sad though that you are willing to promote the rape of women. If an embryo is indeed a person then, allowing one person to use the sexual organs of another person against their will is not like rape, but a rape. I find it particularly distasteful that this particular group in our culture will even ask government to participate in the rape of women. Although it doesn't surprise from the religious folk given the major fable of the christianity is based on the rape of a woman to produce a messiah.
"Spartakus" sparta...@my-deja.com
But, Joe, if a young woman bears a child at age 16 and nurses it for at least a year, her risk of contracting breast cancer practically disappears.
Why would you advocate something as obviously immoral as abstinence?
rfisc ...@newbolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Belk is anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-sex, and anti-choice.
--
Ray Fischer Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
rfisc...@sonic.net Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened. -- Churchill
Pat Winstanley ng_w...@yahoo.co.uk
Contraception does not lead to abortion any more than it leads to birth.
The use of contraception *reduces* the likelihood of BOTH birth and abortion by reducing the likelihood of a pregnancy occurring at all.
Are you now advocating that people having sex when they don't want to risk a pregnancy starting should NOT use contraception??
ko ...@agnusnotes.att.com (Crusty)
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020910/180/288s2.html ________________________________________________________________________ WHEW! At least it aint NRLC propaganda.
examines the potential Indeed. And *YOU* yahoos want to FURTHER RESTRICT birth control and birth control education!
Part of birth control failing is obviously the mis-use of the contraceptive. So why do you anti-chice fundies want to restrict education that would help lessen the number of innocent unborn children that would face abortion?!?
I guess that's why we call you a hypocrite, Jack***.
"Loose Cannon" efber...@hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________ Let me see if I understand you: We should tell young adults not to engage in sex, and they won't?
That doesn't appear to be working too well in the priesthood, but it's going to succeed with teenagers under the influence of raging hormones?
Your reality check has been returned for insufficient funds.
Sheesh!
A fair number of those "blessings" are starving to death in third world countries. But, of course, they've been 'born', so it doesn't matter.
And, in the developed world, as we move away from male dominated hierarchies such as those espoused be the RCC, most woman (and men) aren't interested in having huge families. Here's a scoop, Joe: some women want a <shudder> career. And a life.
In short, the position of the RCC is patently ridiculous. With the problems of your church at an all-time high, and it's credibility sinking ever lower, I suggest that parroting the RCC's unworkable theology is a monumental waste of time. Let's face it, the majority of (cafeteria) Catholic's are smarter than that. That *even a minority* of the faithful actually believe and express those views is scary enough. Brainwashing is a spooky business...
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papaj ...@stic.net (Papa Jack)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020910/180/288s2.html ________________________________________________________________________ ===========================================================================
I would welcome the increased use of effective birth control methods.
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Why do you think I posted it on talk.abortion? The study shows that physicians are NOT doing a good job of educating women when they prescribe birth control devises or medications.
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a ...@home.com
Pro-aborts don't care - so long as the women are having abortions.
Education can go hang when it's only young easily exploited women (exploited by both men and the abortion industry, oh and feminism) who are paying the final price.
Abortion has been most typically promoted by women who don't have them, i.e. lesbians. Abortion is also supported more by men than by women.
Pat Winstanley ng_w...@yahoo.co.uk
Pro choice people do care though, even though pro-aborts and anti-aborts don't!
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