John Rock -a Catholic, helped develop the birth control pill
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dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
The more you know - peace, Dawn
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History of abortion & contraception 2600 BC ??“ First recorded recipe for an abortion producing drug.
1850 BC ??“ Egyptians record recipe for contraceptive pessaries, one made from crocodile dung.
4th Century AD ??“ St. Augustine lays down Catholic dogma sanctioning abortion up to 80 days for female fetus and up to 40 days for male fetus.
13th Century AD - St. Thomas Aquinas states Catholic dogma justifying sexual intercourse only for procreation.
1564 AD - Italian anatomist, Fallopius, discoverer of Fallopian tubes, publicizes condoms as anti-venereal disease devices.
1588 ??“ Pope Sixtus forbids all abortions 1591 - Pope Gregory XIV rescinds Pope Sixtus??™ edict against abortion 1803 - Great Britain makes abortion a misdemeanor 1821 ??“ Connecticut outlaws abortion after quickening, early abortions are legal 1860??™s ??“ All states p*** comprehensive, criminal abortion laws. Most remain until 1973.
1869 ??“ Pope Pius IX forbids all abortions in exchange for France??™s Napoleon III acknowledging papal infallibility. France??™s population experienced a sharp decrease over the previous 60 years.
1873 ??“ Federal Comstock laws enacted prohibiting mailing or distribution of information on birth control and abortion 1879 ??“ Margaret Higgins Sanger is born. She led the movement for birth control in the U.S.
1882 ??“ First "modern" birth control clinic in the world opens in Holland, sponsored by trade unions.
1913 ??“ Margaret Sanger arrested for violation of Comstock laws because of feminist birth control columns in, The Woman Rebel.
1916 - Margaret Sanger & her sister, Ethel Byrne jailed for dispensing contraceptive information at first American birth control clinic in Brooklyn, NY.
1924 ??“ First scientific confirmation of women??™s ovulatory and fertility cycle.
1930 ??“ Pope Pius XI affirms Catholic dogma that every act of sexual intercourse is a sin unless performed with a reproductive intent.
1942 ??“ Margaret Sanger??™s Birth Control Federation of America becomes Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
1956 ??“ Dr. John Rock (a Catholic) and others developed the birth control pill. Their research was funded by two women: 1963 ??“ Pope Paul IV issues encyclical Humanae Vitae condemning artificial birth control.
1965 ??“ In Griswold v. Connecticut, U.S. Supreme Court rules Connecticut??™s law prohibiting birth control for married couples violates a newly defined right of marital privacy.
1967 ??“ Then-Governor Ronald Reagan of California (who became a very anti-choice president) signs the most liberal abortion law of the times allowing freedom of choice during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy.
1970 ??“ Hawaii, Alaska, and New York repeal criminal abortion laws allowing abortion in the first trimester.
1972 ??“ Supreme Court finds the right to privacy of unmarried persons violated by M***achusetts law against distribution of contraceptives in Eisenstadt v Baird. Justice Brennan in the majority opinion states that all Americans have a right to bear and beget children free from government interference.
Monday Morning, January 22nd, 1973 ??“ The U.S. Supreme Court in a 7-2 decision, hands down Roe v Wade making a 1st trimester abortion a private decision between a woman & her physician. In the 2nd trimester states can put limitations on abortion with regard to the health of the pregnant woman. In the 3rd trimester states can make abortion illegal except to save the life of the woman.
1973 ??“ Indiana p***es first call for a Constitutional Convention to ban abortion.
1970 ??“ Belotti v Baird II decision allows states to require parental consent for abortion so long as there is a confidential judicial byp***.
1980 ??“ 19 of the 34 states required have p***ed calls for a Constitutional Convention.
1989 ??“ Webster v Reproductive Health Services is handed down by Supreme Court allowing states to place increased restrictions on women??™s access to abortion.
1991 ??“ Supreme Court upholds Title X gag rule (restriction on mentioning abortion in federally funded clinics) in Rust v Sullivan. Congress votes overwhelmingly to overturn gag rule, but override of Pres. Bush??™s veto fails narrowly.
1993 ??“ Newly inaugurated President Clinton reverses several anti-choice policies of Reagan & Bush administrations including gag rule.
1993 ??“ Dr. David Gunn is murdered by anti-choice fanatic in Florida. He is the first of a series of abortion providers shot in the following years.
1994 ??“ President Clinton signs Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act (FACE) making it a federal crime to interfere with the provision of reproductive health care.
1995 ??“ U.S. clinical trials of Mifepristone (RU486 - the French abortion pill).
1998 ??“ January 22nd is the 25th anniversary of legal abortion in America.
January 29th: A police officer is killed and a nurse is severely injured in a bomb blast outside a Birmingham clinic.
2000 ??“ FDA approves Mifeprex (RU 486 - the French abortion pill) for use in U.S.
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billu wunverfe...@loudoun.com
you throw around the wrod 'dogma' far too freely just saying so don't make it so.
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dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
Some things I found odd: abortion>up to 80 days for female fetus and up to 40 days for male fetus.
How you were supposed to know if it was a boy or girl is beyond me.
Obviously St. Gus had a soft spot for boys. You could only kill them 40 days after procreation then you were stuck. Girls though, could be offed up to 80 days. Does anyone else think this guy was not the sharpest tool in the shed?
sexual>intercourse only for procreation.
Wasn't this guy a cloistered monk?
Yet he gave us rules about intercourse? Interesting!
Here's an oddity, one pope makes a rule the next pope says it was wrong? How do we know who was right? Maybe they didn't either!
Napoleon>III acknowledging papal infallibility. France??™s population experienced a>sharp decrease over the previous 60 years.
This is amazing! The pope did that so he could be declared infallible?
The more I know the stranger it gets. The nuns sure never told us that one!
Peace, Dawn
Alice Gless nos...@nonet.net
How on earth did they know back then the sex of the fetus?
You might want to research more on her. Some think she was an outright racist who wanted to rid the world of "undesirables" with her agenda. Some of the information regarding her may be hard to dig out because it is not pc.
We are told in scripture that to suffer for doing wrong is unprofitable. Only suffering for doing the right thing counts.
Unrealistic, of course, but not necessarily totally wrong from God's point of view.
Yes, I knew he was catholic and I might argue that he didn't necessarily make a valuable contribution to humanity. The facts aren't all in yet and may not be all in for a very long time.
Terrible disappointment to many and (it was PaulVI) which now has become a huge stumbling block. I was given some very good advice by my brother in law who is not catholic. If you are going to err it is better to err on the side of caution. I'm not intimating that Paul VI erred; I'm intimating that sometimes it might be wise to give the church the benefit of the doubt in a difficult teaching.
The same court who gave us Roe vs. Wade. I wouldn't use the Supreme Court for my personal moral comp***.
To his possible eternal shame. He also vetoed partial birth abortion legislation in a spirit of in your face to the opponents. The pope issued a chilling comment at this juncture, not reported in the US: A civilization who ceases to value life will not survive long (paraphrased). See the London Tablet, sorry I searched and searched my back issues but could never find it.
Most of us know that is wrong.
Bless you, Dawn. I haven't failed to note, as JMKerrigan did, that you went from ultra-conservative to dissenting over a very short public period, probably a lengthy personal questioning, but if the church happens to be right about this difficult teaching, there could be consequences. Relying on the medical profession to spare one possible consequences from an informed decision is a slippery slope.
Karen Horn kah...@king.cts.com
Correct, Margaret Sanger was a big proponent of eugenics. Very Nazi like in her attitudes regards "inferior races." Karen
"ScottF" sc...@nomorespam.net
Dawn this same clinic http://www.hopeclinic.com/hopehome.htm doesn't believe minors having an abortion is any business of the parent's.
"Parental consent is not required for a minor to have an abortion at The Hope Clinic." Scott
Alan Ferris xa...@mistral.co.uk
Difficult. What of cases where the child is made pregnant by a family member and is wanting to keep it quite.
Would you support parents forcing a child to carry to term against the child's wishes?
I am neither for this or against it. Each case should be weighed on its own merits.
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.Stephanie Rendino bea...@n0spam.sympatico.ca
This is the situation that gives me pause.
Alan Ferris xa...@mistral.co.uk
I helped a girl who was homeless at 14 because she had been made pregnant by her brother and the family had blamed her and basically thrown her out of the house.
There were also many cases where the girls father was the child.
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"JCarew" Oth...@prodigy.net
JMJ Ms. Sanger devoted her entire life to what she called "her cause", the birth control movement. She believed man's social and economiuc situation in life would be determined almost entirely by his ability to survive, and that the benevolence and charitable movements of society had thrown "out of balance" all of nature, by keeping alive those who should have died through natural selection. These people lived in slums, bred like rabbits, and were likely to overrun the boundaries of their neighborhoods, marrying others and thus "contaminating" the better elements of society with their inferior genes.
(Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, p.80, 179) Her slogans for the birth control movement were things like , "More children from the fit, less from the unfit" and "Birth control: to create a race of thoroughbreds" (MS, birth Control Review, May 1919, vol III no 5, p 12).
Basically, she hoped to use artificial means of birth control as a way for the socially elite (largely white well educated and wealthy) to keep down the numbers in the lower eschelons of society. To promote this agenda, she of course had to make the idea of artificial birth control (which was categorically condemend by every single Christian denomination until the mid to late 1930's) palatable to these "lesser beings." She started on this path with an apparently sincere desire to ease the terrible conditions she saw in the slums of her day, but her sympathy turned to disdain and her original intent to help became an intent to control "the human weeds" so as to protect those more superior, such as herself.
In April of 1933 she laid out a specific plan for "peaceful genocide" of those human weeds, whom she felt were feebleminded and irresponsible breeders, called "The Plan for Peace" (Birth Control Review, vol 16, no 4, p.107) It included shutting down immigration, forced or, in some cases, bribed sterilization and complete physical segregation of the "undesirable" parts of society. She particularly wanted to reduce the number of black children born. Her writings during the thirties bear a frightening resemblance to the writings of many German Nazi's at the same time. When the American public began to note the similarities, her group backpedaled and began working on a "soft sell and pastel" version of the same ideas.
Today Planned Parenthood, which she founded, still works from this "soft sell" platform.
Sources used for most of the facts herein: "The Pivot of Civilization", by Margaret Sanger (this book is out of print and very hard to get ahold of, I had a loaned copy via interlibrary loan and was asked to put a deposit down on it when I checked it out!!!!), also "Margaret Sanger: The Father of Modern Society" by Elasah Drogin, published by CUL press BTW One of her chief backers in setting Planned Parenthood up (money wise) was John D. Rockerfeller(sp) Sr. of Standard Oil fame. I understand the Rockerfeller Family is very much still involved in birth control at the UN level now.
Jim Carew sfo
Alice Gless nos...@nonet.net
Thank you for this valuable contribution. It's a "keeper" and will be printed as well.
largely white well educated and wealthy NON-CATHOLIC society.
Blessed are the meek; they shall inherit the earth.
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
I simply posted this for discussion.
I don't necessarily endorse anything there. I just found some things shocking -
others comical.
Peace, Dawn
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
I have no idea who or what she was. I posted the information because I found it interesting, especially the popes changing their minds and St. Augustine's comment.
Peace, Dawn
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
Thanks Scott, I do not support abortion, but I do support birth control methods.
My only experience with clinics was when I took clients to have exams.
Planned Parenthood took Medicaid cards, and that was why we used them. My experience with right to lifers was very negative and disappointing. Most were Catholics and I just could not understand that.
Peace, Dawn
Alice Gless nos...@nonet.net
I presumed that was your intent, and it is interesting. Some of these facts need to be examined through wider lenses than simply catholic ones. The protestant world has been rocked by the downside of the birth control issues (liberating but enslaving) and we are beginning to reap what we have sown. It is not easy to sort through it all. Far be it from me to take you to task for anything; I merely wanted to ensure and clarify . . . a lot of things . . . to myself first and foremost.
"Scout Lady" scoutl...@prodigy.net
Back when parental permission was required, when this sort of case came up, the child was ***igned a court appointed advocate to meet with the child and was allowed to sign for her. I would want to know if my child was pregnant and considering an abortion. Many girls panic and think their parents are going to kill them for getting pregnant. Many worry for nothing, and with their parents can make the right decision for her. I can tell in less than 5 minutes who has real reason to fear telling, from those who are on such an emotional roller coaster that they are not thinking clearly, and have magnified their parents reaction 100 times worse than it would ever be. In my state a minor can have an abortion on demand but needs parental permission for a tattoo or body piercings. I guess the reasoning is tattoo's and piercing leave a permanent mark, abortions don't.
"brian" brian_is_h...@hotmail.com
There are many many folks that want to go back to the "good old days" (patent pending). That's what is scary, soon they will be hurdling us like cattle, "Soilent Green, its made out of people". (Soilent Green Movie)
billu bi...@hotmail.com
This is a misstatement. It was considered the time of 'ensoulment' according to Augustine (who could not make his theory dogma). If a fetus was aborted after this time it was murder, before that Augustine considered it sinful. It seems like a list from some misinformation site such as the sorely mislabled Catholics for a Free Choice (which is NOT a Catholic group). Notice how there are no references attached to the list? Seems like they don't want anyone researching it on their own.
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"Scout Lady" scoutl...@prodigy.net
Maybe people should know where this came from Dawn. It's kind of funny they mention Rock and that he was a Catholic, but failed to mention the others and their religious affiliation, isn't it? You don't think this was done for any particular reason, do you?
It is pasted from the Hope Clinic for Women.
http://www.hopeclinic.com/history.htm Don't forget to check out their fees, I'm sure they are quite reasonable.
http://www.hopeclinic.com/fees.htm
"Scout Lady" scoutl...@prodigy.net
Don't anyone help her out here, she wants to post this stuff, let her cite a reference. Can you show us a reference for this Catholic dogma Dawn? And to be fair, show us the whole document, we wouldn't want this to be taken out of context for any reason.
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
Hello George, Exactly, my work with the mentally and physically handicapped taught me that a few years earlier these people had mandatory sterilization, and not many stood against it, not even the Catholic church until way later. Hypocritical yes?
Peace, Dawn
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
>>Correct, Margaret Sanger was a big proponent of eugenics.
>>Very Nazi like in her attitudes regards "inferior races." >Ms. Sanger devoted her entire life to what she called "her cause", the birth>control movement. She believed man's social and economiuc situation in life overrun the boundaries of their neighborhoods, marrying others and thus>"contaminating" the better elements of society with their inferior genes.
So, she was like the first White Supremacist! There are still those people around today - nothing new.
children>from the fit, less from the unfit" and "Birth control: to create a race of>thoroughbreds" (MS, birth Control Review, May 1919, vol III no 5, p 12).
socially elite (largely white well educated and wealthy) to keep down>the numbers in the lower eschelons of society. To promote this agenda, she mid>to late 1930's) palatable to these "lesser beings." She started on this>path with an apparently sincere desire to ease the terrible conditions she>saw in the slums of her day, but her sympathy turned to disdain and her>original intent to help became an intent to control "the human weeds" so as human weeds, whom she feltwere feebleminded and irresponsible>breeders, called "The Plan for Peace" (Birth Control Review, vol 16, bribed sterilization and complete physical segregation of the>"undesirable" parts of society. She particularly wanted to reduce the number>of black children born. Her writings during the thirties bear a frightening Well, Jim some skinheads who live around here would have just loved her! It is sad, but these types of people are very alive and well.
Peace, Dawn
dawnofthefor ...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
>I presumed that was your intent, and it is interesting. Some of these facts >need >to be examined through wider lenses than simply catholic ones. The >protestant >world has been rocked by the downside of the birth control issues (liberating >but >enslaving) and we are beginning to reap what we have sown. It is not easy to >sort >through it all. Far be it from me to take you to task for anything; I merely>wanted to ensure and clarify . . . a lot of things . . . to myself first and>foremost.
Good for you Alice, I encourage that and do it myself too. Sometimes I even post here so Stephanie or George or Alan can take a look and post what they think.
Peace, Dawn
billu bi...@hotmail.com
Thanks for the additional details. Which only goes to show the inaccuracy of that silly list
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