DANGER ROOM: Horrified and Angry
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Shalon Wood ds...@pele.cx
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html?... A roughly humanoid m*** of boiling, seething energy stalks into the place, stopping only long enough for Mike to toss it the keys. It stalks into the Danger Room without a word.
"How dare they? How _DARE_ they! How dare the parents send the children down there, knowing what will happen? Do they honestly feel that they have the right to MURDER the lives they've brought into this world?" "Because murder is exactly what it is. They might get their childs _body_ back, but that won't be their child inside. That won't be the little boy they played catch with, or the little girl who brought them cups of 'tea' when playing house. Those minds will be broken, destroyed, until all that's left is a shell." "Murder, and RAPE. Rape of their mind, of their soul, if not their body. And it's legal." "And those ***holes actually think they are doing a _good_ thing!" A wind from nowhere begins to roar through the room, lightening crashing.
"What those parents do is inexcusable, and they _will_ know _exactly_ what it is they sentenced their children to." The voice is louder, somehow, than the storm, easily audible over the constant thunder and shrieking wind.
"Why does the world allow this place to exist?" Everything _freezes_, just for a moment, and then collapses inward, as if gone.
"It won't," he says, quietly. "I won't let it." Stepping out, he tosses the keys back to Mike.
"I'll be back a little later. Right now, I've got an appointment with my good friends Kali and Baron Samedi." "I've got Work to do tonight." Shalon Wood
sailnra ...@aol.com (SailNrails)
http://www.wwasps.org/ Yeah -- but in the brochure, all the kids look so Happy!
(ick)
Dreamstalker istafu...@csf.edu
*the wolf sends a raging blue flame in the general direction of the 'centre'* Good. Gods. How the hell can parents think that this is the 'right thing' to do?!
Augh. Bad memories of this behavior-modification "camp" in New Hampshire I was packed off to during the diagnosis-of-the-month routine. Nowhere NEAR as bad as this, but still eight weeks of hell.
I was begging my parents to smuggle me home after one month, and I had been to residential camps before and been fine. And my SHRINK suggested that one. I'm still wondering whether to forgive her... It was called "Wediko". The only good thing about it was we got to help cook once in awhile...
I don't know what it is with some parents today, it seems like behavior-modification is the newest IN thing. Everyone wants their kids to be "normal"...
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Frederick Hurley fthur...@SoftHome.net
My God. So much of what the guy in charge of that place said sounded like a cult leader...crossed with a nice helping of Fred Phelps. Yuck. Take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Jean Hoehn pjho...@new.rr.com
Quoth Dreamstalker on 7/3/03 6:52 PM: "Leave it to Beaver" normal or "Brady Bunch" normal?
Excuse me, I think I need to be very sick :P .
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Jean Some people get cool hallucinations that tell them to kill people... Mine just try to get me in trouble.
Paul Southworth
Cardboard Box cardboardbox13...@yahoo.com.au
Some time between the hours of March 10th and Friday, Dreamstalker <istafu...@csf.edu> committed the following: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html?... Because they are stupid: 1) Arrogance: "I am the parent of this child. I control its horizontal. I control its vertical. I lay down the rules. The child must respect me by obeying me. If it does not, I will take steps to induce obedience, and thus respect." Note the logical fallacy: "A implies B" does not prove "B implies A." "I deserve happiness. Nothing, not the demands of parenthood, freedom, nor liberty may interfere with my pursuit of happiness. I will alter that which does so. An obedient child makes me happy. Therefore, I will have my child altered to make me happy." 2) ***umption: As mentioned before, these jack***es think respect implies obedience. But obedience can be driven by fear of punishment too. What we're seeing here is a real-world application of, "The End Justifies the Means." Related to this is the ***umption that, "if it resembles X, it is X." Remember Donald Duck and the Zoom V8 cartoon?
3) Apathy: "There is nothing *I* can do, therefore I will let someone else handle it." Ha bloody ha. Perhaps if you actually treated your family as a family rather than a status symbol, and said, "screw the Joneses," and actually *earned the respect of your kids,* you wouldn't be wasting your money on this Jay Kay... um... thing.
Please note that in this ersatz de Bono-esque analysis, I am being stupid too. I arrogantly take the high moral ground. I ***ume much about their worldviews. And I apathetically toss up my hands in despair.
More like status symbols. Remember that poor kid from "Dead Poets Society", the one who kept being told "You will go to Harvard. You will be a doctor"?
"Siddown (siddown) / Siddown (siddown) / Siddown, you're rockin' the boat..." (/me does so, as he's blown his fuses on this in his blog)
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Wesley Struebing str...@carpedementem.org
And they *pay* these ****heads 40,000 a year for the privilege of having their children screwed?!
Bend over; let's try it without vaseline this time.
I am not a violent man, but I have *real* trouble with something like what was reported...
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Carpe Dementem! (grab the wacko) Wes Struebing +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ str...@carpedementem.org home page: www.carpedementem.org
Sea Wasp seaw...@wizvax.net
I can't comprehend it myself.
Though I must say I look forward to the day someone like my old self gets sent there. I only want to see the results from long distance, mind you.
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Miche michei...@myrealbox.com
They don't want normal kids, that's the problem. They want shiny, happy, obedient Stepford kids.
You misspelled "brainwashed". It's small comfort that this kind of conditioning doesn't stick without repeated applications; some kids don't make it and kill themselves.
Miche sticks another URL on the board beside the first one.
http://www.denver-rmn.com/desperate/site-desperate/0702desp1.shtml Miche
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"Mary Kay, Librarian" rlaro...@niagararc.com
Cult-like - that's exactly what I though it sounded like. Bland food, constant repetition of messages, no free time, incessant supervision.
Gah!
MK
"Mary Kay, Librarian" rlaro...@niagararc.com
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html?... I thought the author had an excellent point when she remarked that the parents seemed to expect automatic love and respect from the child, even when situations and circumstances indicated otherwise (i.e. the parent who was divorced and had the twin infants, and thought his son was a disruptive influence, or some other such rubbish.) MK
"Mary Kay, Librarian" rlaro...@niagararc.com
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html?... Hey-Zeus christ all-f**king mighty. Pardon my language, but that Tranquility program is a boatload of shit. I can only hope that parents considering sending their children to this dump read the articles and reconsider - and pronto!
MK >8(
"Rowan Hawthorn" rowan_hawth...@hotmail.com
"Not a chance. Only way to change their minds would be to lock *them* in the program for a few days. And I don't guarantee that, since many people seem to be of the opinion that that sort of 'discipline' is good for a person."
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Heather Baranowski kat...@city-net.com
That's because so many of them don't want to take the time to actually *be* parents. Or they don't understand what *good* parents are. What really got to me was what the father they interviewed had to say.
Gah... I feel like I have to go shower; my mind feels... filthy.
Heather
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"Our strength is often composed of the weakness we're damned if we're going to show." - Mignon McLaughlin
Denny Wheeler den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID
Sure sounds like Mom was the major f*ck-up in that one. Didn't talk to teachers, school counselors; had no clue about kid's relationship with next-door neighbor family, etc. But of course it couldn't be *her* fault her kid had problems, could it?
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Some people are offence kleptomaniacs -- whenever they see an offence that isn't nailed down, they take it ;-)
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Denny Wheeler den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID
You might want some help from the Silicon Shaman--and I know we've some Good Witches here.
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-denny-
Some people are offence kleptomaniacs -- whenever they see an offence that isn't nailed down, they take it ;-)
--David C. Pugh, in alt.callahans
Denny Wheeler den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID
I get a blank page from that URL.
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Some people are offence kleptomaniacs -- whenever they see an offence that isn't nailed down, they take it ;-)
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seanearly ...@juno.com (Sean Cleary)
> > Shalon Wood wrote:
> > Good. Gods. How the hell can parents think that this is the 'right
> > thing' to do?!
Without being on their side, I offer this: That due to their lacks, and other problems, they now have an 'out of control' kid. They are seeing stuff that looks like drug abuse or petty theft or such, they have no way to stop it. And here is this man offering a suggestion of a way out. They can save their kids potential (on their record) jail time.
It is shear desperation followed by hope that would drive a parent to use such a place. They do not want little johnny back, little johnny is turning into a monster and they need a socially respectable johnny back.
Similar things are threatened and sometimes used by Mexican parents in California: kid is running with the wrong group/gang, send them back to Mexico (and grandparents?) where they will soon appriciate the wonders of California, and will be away from bad influences. Not as rough as that camp, nor as expensive, but the impulse to do *something/anything* may be the same.
Actually if they have that kind of money, a family counseler/pshrink could do a lot more good. And while my father hated it, a military school can do much better.
Sean
Jean Hoehn pjho...@new.rr.com
Quoth Miche on 7/3/03 9:15 PM: Dear god, what was that woman thinking! Those weren't bad kids, just normal mixed-up teens who just needed a little more guidance and disipline not a trip to Stepfordland. And what really horrified me; with one kid dead and another completely screwed mentally she could still recomend that program!
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Jean Some people get cool hallucinations that tell them to kill people... Mine just try to get me in trouble.
Paul Southworth
Dreamstalker istafu...@csf.edu
"Looking out for her kids' well-being"....sounds to me like she's the one who needs to be put in that program. I wonder what would happen if all the parents who tout this stuff so highly were packed off and treated in the same manner that the kids were...
I have a friend whose father really, seriously sounds like the type of parent to do something like this. The guy scares me (and her--my house is pretty much the only place she feels safe). Thank the stars she's going away to college in September.
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"By the way, if one day you happen to wake up and find yourself in an existential quandary full of loathing and self doubt and racked with the pain and isolation of your pitiful meaningless existence, at least you can take a small bit of comfort in knowing that somewhere out there in this crazy old mixed up universe of ours there's still a little place called...Albuquerque!" --Weird Al Yankovic, "Albuquerque" Visit my ebay page http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/raystantz
"Jette Goldie" j...@blueyonder.com.uk
I get a brochure for some "family resources" group.
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Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes je...@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Patrick O'Shea pos...@alumni.sfu.ca
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:52:30 -0400, Frederick Hurley When I was young, 60 minutes did an interview with...God, what was her name? The lady in charge of the Quebec Language Police. That disturbed me. I saw someone humourless, and utterly convinced of the rightness of their cause. And it terrified me.
This does too. And in a much, MUCH worse way. Does Amnesty International know about this stuff?
Patrick O'Shea-
-Hypocritical pacifist, Jolly Rogers hoisted as needed pos...@alumni.sfu.ca Yahoo: pyroangemon
"Jette Goldie" j...@blueyonder.com.uk
My Good Lord and Lady - can ANYONE be as stupid as that mother???
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"Weep not for the dead, for the dead feel no pain Grieve only for the living, who heal to hurt again." Jette je...@blueyonder.co.uk
Wesley Struebing str...@carpedementem.org
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:29:35 -0400, "Mary Kay, Librarian" I can only piggyback on what MK says. I am, for once, entirely speechless 8-(
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Carpe Dementem! (grab the wacko) Wes Struebing +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ str...@carpedementem.org home page: www.carpedementem.org
"WareWolf" dus...@nc.rr.com
Many of them, no doubt, are desperate. They have a kid who's self-destructive and out of control and they see this as the only alternative to watching their child die either slowly in front of them or suddenly by "misadventure".
I don't agree with the tactics of this place either, but I pity the parents more than despise them.
Dusty
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