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geopear ...@yahoo.com (george pearl)
Hello, I have asperger's Syndrome and had a nervous breakdown twelve months ago. I had to be hospitalized for five days so that I wouldn't pursue thoughts of suicide.
Since that time I have been taking paxil and an anti-psychotic to keep away depression and intrusive thoughts. Trouble is, my emotions are still jangled. Is there a body of knowledge out there that explains the long-term recovery program for person(s) that has been thru a nervous collapse? Any of your insights would be appreciated.
"Mark D. Morin" neurops...@NOSPAMgwi.net
There's a fairly good body of knowledge about asperger's and how factors relating to this "disability" could easily contribute toward a breakdown. I suggest that you call around to psychologists and ask for a referral to someone who has shown the ability to work with people such as yourself.
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Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:33:33 -0400, "Mark D. Morin" in case you don't understand what you said, it amounts to a blind advertisment, "sure the data is there ...., I a professional cannot conceive of where the data may be...., but if you pay one of us I am sure we will remember where it is, or at least lead you along with said data until you have paid plenty and no longer desire the data" he asked for data Mark I reccommend he do a amazon.com, borders.com barnes and noble search for a textbook and besides he asked for information on break down recovery and before you say he can't understand the textbook, I can't think of anything better for his recovery than to start with psychology book one and go from there the first step to recovery is to analyze what you want to recover from, what are your undesireable behaviors, what motivations cause those behaviors, psychoanalysis my friend, something the modern psyche industry will tell you is a myth sometimes you won't want to face your motivations, and role modeling, what can I expect if I continue my behavior, or categorical research, am I similar to someone else, helps you to confront yourself identify the behaviors you want to change indentify the motivations for the behaviors ask yourself if the motivations are logical if not change them if so ask yourself if your behaviors are logical and if it really isn't a problem of your own but society's
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"Mark D. Morin" neurops...@NOSPAMgwi.net
read his post again and pay attention to the last sentence.
read his post again and pay attention to the last sentence.
The last thing in the world someone with asperger's needs is psychoanalysis. There are clear neurological underpinnings to the disorder and the way the world is viewed and experienced. No amount of psychoanalysis is going to change that.
By all means do an online search for literature on asperger's. My ***umption is that if he's smart enough to get this far, he's done that.
Have YOU done such a search? How often is psychoanalysis recommended for one with asperger's. Is there any outcome data to show efficacy? Oh, there's no outcome data for psychoanalysis in general, why should I expect to see it for asperger's?
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Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:15:27 -0400, "Mark D. Morin" Mark, please feel free to share any actual data that asperger's is neurologically based, hint, THERE IS NONE, pure inferrence, pure speculation and was this person neurologically diagnosed, or was he psychologically diagnosed with said neurosis inferred?
did the doctor (sic) do any physical examination at all? your implication is that it is a physical disease, how did the doctor discern it from a psychological disease?
no data -> no science inferrence -> no science snake oil, take a hike idiot, PhDs ought to be detractable, I suggest censure that.
I didn't say online Mark, I suggested he pursue rigorous education, you on the other hand would like him dumbed down so you can exploit him so you propose because the institution doesn't currently pursue something it never should, where does this logic end Mark? its called dogma I see you are the proponent of science when it suits you, one can only question a psychologist who sees no value in determining the motive for behavior you're not even a pseudoscientist Mark, stop imparting your derision on people that need help, snake
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:39:36 -0400, Average Joe What does it matter to you, freak.
You do not believe in any medicine or Doctor of any kind. You being a JW are opposed to such.
I'd bet you even used that defense in court about your right to abuse your children.
You have no life outside of your rants. You have no truth and are even confused about Kommunism, making up your own doctrines.
Sorry, who is going to believe you.
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Hash: SHA1 a nethoodlum to the rescue, although credibility is not requirement for debate, objectivity is, care to restate your ad hominem attack with some relevance to the topic? Oh, that's right, you have no intentions on being relevant, get some self esteem my friend, while the unethical self-called professionals on this group may validate you, don't expect the rest of this world to embrace your juvenality with anything more than child psychology, want to be significant? be significant, want to be insignificant? expect to be treated as such, even eventually by those who validate you ulteriorly
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:17:30 -0400, Average Joe Here is what you did not quote, it was all relevant to your post.
What does it matter to you, freak.
You do not believe in any medicine or Doctor of any kind. You being a JW are opposed to such.
I'd bet you even used that defense in court about your right to abuse your children.
You have no life outside of your rants. You have no truth and are even confused about Kommunism, making up your own doctrines.
Sorry, who is going to believe you.
You OTH have not mastered the art of replying to a message anonymously. LOL!
===========================================EOC And you stuupid ****, I was validated by Yommama Bin Crawdaden, who is your master. I depend not on the kind Dr's for their validation, but it is appreciated when given.
"by those who validate you ulteriorly" what is up with that? You been a Kommie too long and can't remember the english language? LOL!
Heh! I bet you are real jealous about the validation thing cause the Red Chinese won't validate you with a Kommie Kard. That is what you get for trying to modify their code of living/conduct.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I am wondering just how long it will take till your site comes down?
J00 don't go deer hunting with kamera's do you? (I know you aren't allowed to carry a gun as a JW) Be careful, someone might mistake those big knarly ears of your's for antlers. I hear upstate NY is not too friendly to j00r kind.
Oh BTW is your place up for rent yet? Oops, me forgot, all outhouses there have a .50 cent charge. Better drop the rates, winter is coming and you'll need all the steamy stuff you can get to keep warm.
ROTFL!
"Dan Rogers" dlrog...@frontiernet.net
You obviously fell off your watchtower and cracked your skull.
Read anything recent on asperger syndrome, or even the recent Time magazine article, and you can't avoid findings that the disorder is neurologically based.
You aren't really interested in facts, though, or even psychotherapy. You just want to have a place to kookrant.
You must like being bitch slapped. So turn the other cheek. Not that one, idiot, one of the other two!
Dan R.
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"Mark D. Morin" neurops...@NOSPAMgwi.net
Now you have not read anything.
Every person diagnosed with aspergers shows signs of right hemispehere deficits on testing. If you don't believe me, look at the literature; the same literature you pointed him to.
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by all means. That is an excellent idea.
in other words, you haven't.
in other words, you have no efficacy data nor can point to none.
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:17:30 -0400, , Average Joe <average...@mysolution.ws>wrote: Hey Joe, I'll debate you anytime you wish.
I haven't spanked a JW since.....
Well since the last time I spanked your punk hypocritical ***.
Let's discuss....say.....
"How to raise your daughter not to be a slut"?
I find it so amusing you even show your face in this group when you are such a failure as a parent.
Does your beliefs allow you to screw up the lives of the innocent?
What say you Cornhole?
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"Dan Rogers" dlrog...@frontiernet.net
Just as many individuals do, you used the term "ad hominem" incorrectly.
Please, if you wish to sound learned, even sanctimonious, at least keep your usage in line.
Thanks so much.
Dan R.
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Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 06:48:38 -0400, "Mark D. Morin" neurological testing Mark? statistically? really Mark...., your statement completely discludes misdiagnosis, only possible from someone with a vested interest in said diagnosis I challenge you to cite ANY statistically significant data validating chemical causation or chemical ***ociativity of mental illness, until you can welcome to the world of pseudoscience, either you know of none and you are not speaking from an expert point of view, or there is none, you're credibility is on the line, speak up or shut up, and please refrain from transitory dereference, I have plenty of time to deal with your avoidance, but avoidance IS recognized as such there is no statistically significant data Mark, not for Asperger's, not for anything, take a hike pseudo
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Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:18:05 -0500, "Dan Rogers" please expound upon how a character attack is not an appeal to personality and of those who prioritize semantics like yourself
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Hash: SHA1 another nethoodlum ...., YAWN
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Hash: SHA1 another nethoodlum ..., YAWN
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Hash: SHA1 you know, apparently you think the so-called professionals need your rescue, what does that say about the both of you?
another nethoodlum ..., YAWN
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Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:49:47 -0500, "Dan Rogers" pseudoscience, Dan, when and if you have anything statistically significant please feel free to wake up the scientific community in a real journal, I challenge you to cite any one statistically significant finding that validates chemical causation or chemical ***ociativity of ANY mental illness, either you know of none and speak from a layman's point of view, or there is none, now go ahead and avoid the challenge so we can see just how serious you are about this discussion, come on, you mean your mentors sent you out to do battle unarmed? you can start with the avoidance at any time ...
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Hash: SHA1 my philosophies are published on my website for all to see, I'm not a JW, I can be nothing but opposed to something (chemical causation of behavior) that has neither real data nor logic, give me data or logic and we can discuss
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"Mark D. Morin" neurops...@NOSPAMgwi.net
YES you can piss away at the causation argument all you want. It's your's not mine.
Did you read any of the references Kali and I posted?
Would you care to place a wager?
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"Mark D. Morin" neurops...@NOSPAMgwi.net
a character attack is not an adhominem argument. You could try a dictionary.
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"Mark D. Morin" neurops...@NOSPAMgwi.net
you could start by reading those citations already posted here.
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Kali K...@Lart.com.hate.spam
discludes misdiagnosis? WTH does that mean?
misdiagnosis, only possible from :someone with a vested interest in said diagnosis : :I challenge you to cite ANY statistically significant data validating :chemical causation or chemical ***ociativity of mental illness, Well, Below Average Cornholio, those citations would run into the tens of thousands. In the interest of the topic of this thread, I've included a very, very small portion of recent PsycInfo citations available for aspergers & neurological correlation for your general enlightenment, and for discussion, if any thinking people are interested in the topic. I did not check medical databases, where I would expect more data.
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Schultz, Robert T; Romanski, Lizabeth M; Tsatsanis, Katherine D. Neurofunctional models of autistic disorder and Asperger syndrome: Clues from neuroimaging. [Chapter] Klin, Ami (Ed); Volkmar, Fred R. (Ed); et al. (2000). Asperger syndrome. (pp.
172-209). New York, NY, US: The Guilford Press. xvii, 489pp.
Barnhill, Gena P; Cook, Katherine Tapscott; Tebbenkamp, Kelly; Myles, Brenda Smith. The effectiveness of social skills intervention targeting nonverbal communication for adolescents with Asperger syndrome and related pervasive developmental delays. [Journal Article] Focus on Autism & Other Developmental Disabilities. Vol 17(2) Sum 2002, 112-
118. PRO ED, US, http://www.proedinc.com Green, Dido; Baird, Gillian; Barnett, Anna L; Henderson, Leslie; Huber, Joerg; Henderson, Sheila E. The severity and nature of motor impairment in Asperger's syndrome: A comparison with Specific Developmental Disorder of Motor Function. [Journal Article] Journal of Child Psychology & Psychiatry & Allied Disciplines. Vol 43(5) Jul 2002, 655-668.
Blackwell Publishers, United Kingdom, www.blackwellpublishing.com Gepner, Bruno; Mestre, Daniel R. Brief report: Postural reactivity to fast visual motion differentiates autistic from children with Asperger Syndrome. [Journal Article] Journal of Autism & Developmental Disorders. Vol 32(3) Jun 2002, 231-
238. Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, US, http://www.plenum.com Langstroem, Niklas. Child neuropsychiatric disorders: A review of ***ociations with delinquency and substance use.
[Chapter] Corrado, Raymond R. (Ed). et al. (2002). Multi-
problem violent youth: A foundation for comparative research on needs, interventions and outcomes. Sereis I: Life and behavioural sciences, vol. 324. (pp. 91-104). Amsterdam, Netherlands Antilles: IOS Press. xiv, 331pp.
Latif, A. H. A; Heinz, P; Cook, R. Iron deficiency in autism and Asperger syndrome. [Journal Article] Autism. Vol 6(1) Mar 2002, 103-114. Sage Publications, England Markus, Jessica Anne. Neuropsychological deficits, social information processing, and psychiatric adjustment among children with Asperger syndrome. [Dissertation Abstract] Dissertation Abstracts International: Section B: the Sciences & Engineering. Vol 62(5-B), Dec 2001, 2492, US: Univ Microfilms International.
Dunn, Winnie; Myles, Brenda Smith; Orr, Stephany. Sensory processing issues ***ociated with Asperger syndrome: A preliminary investigation. [Journal Article] American Journal of Occupational Therapy. Vol 56(1) Jan-Feb 2002, 97-102.
American Occupational Therapy ***n, US Siponmaa, Leila; Kristiansson, Marianne; Jonson, Carin; Nyden, Agneta; Gillberg, Christopher. Juvenile and young adult mentally disordered offenders: The role of child neuropsychiatric disorders. [Journal Article] Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry & the Law. Vol 29(4) 2001, 420-426. American Academy of Psychiatry & the Law, US Shriberg, Lawrence D; Paul, Rhea; McSweeny, Jane L; Klin, Ami; Cohen, Donald J. Speech and prosody characteristics of adolescents and adults with high-functioning autism and Asperger syndrome. [Journal Article] Journal of Speech Language & Hearing Research. Vol 44(5) Oct 2001, 1097-1115.
American Speech-Language-Hearing ***n, US, www.asha.org Silver, Miriam; Oakes, Peter. Evaluation of a new computer intervention to teach people with autism or Asperger syndrome to recognize and predict emotions in others. [Journal Article] Autism. Vol 5(3) Sep 2001, 299-316. Sage Publication, England Shah, Kalpna. What do medical students know about autism?
[Journal Article] Autism. Vol 5(2) Jun 2001, 127-133. Sage Publications Ltd, England Nyden, Agneta; Billstedt, Eva; Hjelmquist, Erland; Gillberg, Christopher. Neurocognitive stability in Asperger syndrome, ADHD, and reading and writing disorder: A pilot study. [Journal Article] Developmental Medicine & Child Neurology.
Vol 43(3) Mar 2001, 165-171. Cambridge Univ Press, US Rinehart, Nicole J; Bradshaw, John L; Brereton, Avril V; Tonge, Bruce J. Movement preparation in high-functioning autism and Asperger disorder: A serial choice reaction time task involving motor reprogramming. . [Journal Article] Journal of Autism & Developmental Disorders. Vol 31(1) Feb 2001, 79-88. Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, US, http://www.plenum.com Weimer, Amy K; Schatz, Amy M; Lincoln, Alan; Ballantyne, Angela O; Trauner, Doris A. "Motor" impairment in Asperger syndrome: Evidence for a deficit in proprioception. [Journal Article] Journal of Developmental & Behavioral Pediatrics.
Vol 22(2) Apr 2001, 92-101. Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, US, http://www.lww.com Nijokiktjien, C; Verschoor, A; Sonneville, L. de; Huyser, C; Veld, V. Op het; Toorenaar, N. Disordered recognition of facial identity and emotions in three Asperger type autists.
[Journal Article] European Child & Adolescent Psychiatry. Vol 10(1) 2001, 79-90. Dr D Steinkopff Verlag GmbH & Co KG, Germany Critchley, Hugo D; Daly, Eileen M; Bullmore, Edward T; Williams, Steven C. R; Van Amelsvoort, Therese; Robertson, Dene M; Rowe, Andrea; Phillips, Mary; McAlonan, Grainne; Howlin, Patricia; Murphy, Declan G. M. The functional neuroanatomy of social behaviour: Changes in cerebral blood flow when people with autistic disorder process facial expressions. [Journal Article] Brain. Vol 123(11) Nov 2000, 2203-2212. Oxford Univ Press, England, http://www.oup.co.uk Rodgers, Jacqui. Visual perception and Asperger syndrome: Central coherence deficit or hierarchization deficit? A pilot study. [Journal Article] Autism. Vol 4(3) Sep 2000, 321-329.
Sage Publications Ltd, England Iwanaga, Ryoichiro; Kawasaki, Chisato; Tsuchida, Reiko. Brief report: Comparison of sensory-motor and cognitive function between autism and Asperger syndrome in preschool children.
[Journal Article] Journal of Autism & Developmental Disorders. Vol 30(2) Apr 2000, 169-174. Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers, US, http://www.plenum.com
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Which of these shall we discuss?
until :you can welcome to the world of pseudoscience, either you know of none :and you are not speaking from an expert point of view, or there is :none, you're credibility is on the line, speak up or shut up, and :please refrain from transitory dereference, I have plenty of time to :deal with your avoidance, but avoidance IS recognized as such Cornhole, your "expertise" is in the field of antisocial trolling. You lack even the intelligence to fathom what an *** you make of yourself.
:there is no statistically significant data Mark, not for Asperger's, :not for anything, take a hike pseudo What species of goddamned idiot are you, anyway? Holy chit!
Let's read and discuss, shall we? I'm sure, Cornhole, that you will have no trouble accessing these data, given your expertise. I look forward to parsing the syntactic and lexical idiosyncrasies that render your part of the conversation incoherent.
Kali
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Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:08:33 GMT, Kali <K...@Lart.com.hate.spam> wrote: Kali, one statistical survey is sufficient, the abdundance of non statistical surveys is not a replacement for such note the word "clue", shall we expect that these models have been verified? statistically? present such statistics and we will discuss doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me statistics please, and did they prove the psychological disorder doesn't cause the defiency?
doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me note that this is a pilot study, implies lack of statistical rigor, present the statistics and we will discuss doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me doesn't sound like any neurological data to me autism, not asperger's, and I would have to see the statistics anyway once again pilot study, preent the statistics doesn't sound like any neurological data to me all of them Kali, your move, present the statistics of any one of your choice
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Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:50:47 -0400, "Mark D. Morin" once again money I wager the original poster's respect and the respect of all readers, I wager my reputation against yours, you're a man who earns his money on reputation, I'm a man who lives by reputation, the stakes are sufficient in the minds of the observers, we must ask why they are not in your mind
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