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Controversial drug treatment center moving The Oklahoman July 1, 2001 http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=710756&pic=none&TP=g... NEWKIRK -- In 1989, Newkirk residents prepared for a battle to stop the establishment of a drug and alcohol treatment program north of their town.
It was an often bitter fight through the court system that lasted almost three years. Then, Narconon International received its certification in 1992 to establish a treatment center six miles north of Newkirk leased from five Indian tribes.
Now, Narconon is closing its Newkirk branch in favor of combining the entire treatment site at Arrowhead Lodge near Canadian in Pittsburg County. The center is expected to open in the next couple of months.
The Narconon Chilocco New Life Center began accepting patients in 1990 under the premise that it didn't need state certification, since the site near Newkirk was on tribal land.
Residents heard stories that the center would have 1,000 beds and that the treatment used was one developed by L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Church of Scientology. Some residents helped the few clients who wandered into Newkirk wanting to leave Narconon. There were stories about what some thought was an unorthodox treatment using vitamins and saunas.
Things have quieted since then in the Kay County community of 2,200 people. The fear that the drug treatment center would become a recruiting machine for Scientology seems to be gone. For the most part, residents have put Narconon out of mind, said Mayor Carol Purdy.
"They haven't ever bothered anybody," she said. "It seems like they try to stay to themselves. We forget they're there unless we see the sign." Although Narconon uses Hubbard's techniques and received donations from the church, it isn't and never was intended to be a recruiting tool for the church, said Gary Smith, executive director.
"Here it's 11 years later, and we're still Narconon," he said.
Smith said the organization is simply a group of people who have dedicated their lives to saving people.
Narconon originally was licensed for 75 beds, but the State Department of Health increased that to 105.
"We've been at capacity since then," Smith said.
Narconon has had 2,029 clients since it opened the Chilocco site. Of those, 199 Indians have gone through a special program at no cost, Smith said.
Non-Indian clients pay a flat fee of $17,000 to $20,000 for a stay of three months to a year. Last year, 352 students enrolled and 185 completed the program, Smith said.  Thus far this year, 350 entered and 189 have graduated.
In the last study of clients who completed the program two years ago, 70 to 74 percent were still off drugs, Smith said.
Smith said renovation of the historic buildings at the Newkirk site, which once was the Chilocco Indian School, became too costly. By moving to Arrowhead, the organization can expand at a lower cost.
The organization also renegotiated its lease with the Kaw, Ponca, Otoe-
Missouria, Tonkawa and Pawnee tribes a year ago and must leave Chilocco within three years of that date.
When the ***ociation for Better Living and Education, which has the rights to all of Hubbard's teachings, bought the Arrowhead Lodge for Narconon last summer, another fight loomed.
Residents of nearby Canadian and Arrowhead Estates, a housing addition less than a mile away, circulated petitions against the drug treatment facility.
Mike Hall, who said he had 250 names on a petition against Narconon, said he doesn't believe Arrowhead is the proper place for the drug treatment center.
"I don't feel that it's good for our development. I don't feel it's good for the state," he said.
Hall also said he doesn't think the treatment is safe because of concerns medical professionals have expressed.
But Narconon also submitted a petition and gathered 437 signatures of support to submit to the health department. A recent petition in favor of Narconon had 2,000 signatures, Smith said.
The organization received a certificate last summer authorizing it to have 75 beds at the lodge, but Smith said he is working to increase that to 230.
Canadian Mayor Danny Arterberry said some residents were concerned or curious in the beginning, but Narconon officials have proven they will benefit the community.
"They try to get involved in the community as much as they can," he said.
"They kind of put (suspicions) at ease. They're just like the rest (of us)." Arterberry said Narconon employees have kept city officials informed on lodge renovation progress and leaders are glad to have them as part of the community.
"It's nice to know the lodge is still being utilized," he said. "It's starting to shine again."

tinmimu ...@hotmail.com (mimus)

God only knows what horrors are going on in there, while the local folks ignore it.
One is reminded of the good folks who never suspected the true nature of Auschwitz, despite the smell of burning meat and the smoke and ashes that regularly fell.
Is Gary a clam?  OSA?  Has he taken "TR-L"?
Hmm, "special program".
Oh, my *God*.
You know most of these are kids, teenagers, subjected to droid tech for three months to a year?
This is an atrocity.
What happens to those who don't "complete the program"?
Study by who?
And I wonder what percentage are still pursuing the further reaches of the "tech"-- although of course not Scientologists, since Narconon is not a Scientological "stealth recruiting" program . . . .
The golden ring of Scientology.
They're being booted, eh?
Oh, *man*, what an ***.  He obviously can't have done the slightest research on his own, as opposed to swallowing what he's been told.
Has he ever heard, for example, that the FBI wobble between calling Scientology "organized crime" or "paramilitary" (it's both, guys! and more).
Or of the "Special Zone Plan", etc.?
This guy may just be an idiot, and he may be what Nelson was groping toward calling a "Judenrat"-- someone who sells out their own to totalitarianism.
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tinmimu...@hotmail.com I saw many people reduced to incoherent babbling, stripping off clothes, crawling around on the ground, banging heads, limbs and other body parts against furniture and walls, barking, losing all sense of one's identity and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists posting on the Internet every few days, we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996) Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD

Dr. Paloma Dr._mem...@newsguy.com

Pretty good article, considering the source. It could have been entitled: Narconon Overcomes Manufactured Hysteria.

"Rev. Norle Enturbulata" earthlightnos...@hotmail.com

Time for a good fire, folks.  How is it that Native Americans keep succumbing to the nut-cult's propositions?

"Maduin Washuu Esper" mad...@tampabay.rr.com

There is a reason why such people are wards of the state. Namely, they lack the mental capacity for civilization. That just proves it one more time, right over the heads of the politically correct.
-Esper.

cerrid ...@freedom.net

Hmmmm....
Oh come on!   I've read many of your posts.  I am surprised that you have taken to melodrama.
While I am opposed to the actions and behavior of the C of S, I am quite sure they are not doing any comparable to Auschwitz.  Are you suggesting they are killing the druggies at Newkirk?
Gary is a clam.  He is not OSA, he is the ED of Narconon Chilocco and a "Freedom Medal Winner" which in Scio speak is a very big deal.
Since he is not OSA, he more than likely has not done TR L as that is usually ( but not always) taught to the OSA bots.
LOL  I know.  I don't want to defend the high prices but I think if you look around at other live in drug rehab programs you will see that it is not out of line.
I have seen the program line up.  It may have changed but it is basically Withdrawal ( if needed) Purification RD Comm course Objectives ( done in a co audit) Study course ( mini) A mini course on PTS/SP tech The Way to Happiness Course.
I may not have to order correct as it's been a few years since I looked over the program.    It is not just teenagers or kids.  Drug and alcohol problems effect people of all ages.  Narconon's public includes all ages.
Now the interesting thing about this program, scientologically speaking is that Narconon's do not deliver the Drug Rundown, which technically speaking is what is needed to actually stably handle the person's drugs.    Only the C of S can deliver the Drug Rundown.  ( Yes, yes, I know the FZ can as well but we are talking about the C of S Rules here) I guess that is why many Narconon public end up on the C of S lines.
Narconon's are in fact an other resource for the church to get paying public.
The probably go back to drugs.  But this data in not actually known.
It appears that Narconon only keeps the "stats" on those that complete the program.
Good question.  I'd like to see an up to date study.
Exactly <snips the rest> Cerridwen

tinmimu ...@hotmail.com (mimus)

Ejaculation directed to following remark.  If you please.
You know, they're right:  That is not Scientological recruiting.  It is downright Scientological indoctrination (the first few steps up "the Bridge").
And probably insurance- if not State- paid . . . .
And most definitely Federal- tax- deductible . . . .
And undoubtedly mostly on kids-- teenagers  . . . .
But mostly.  They're the most indiscreet, eh?
I think the outright indoctrination accounts for a bit more than that, although of course it would hardly be surprising to find that Narconon's staff tout the still greater benefits of Co$'s "Drug Rundown".
And we all know how reliable Co$ "stats" are-- at least, the ones presented to the general public.
By someone else.
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tinmimu...@hotmail.com I saw many people reduced to incoherent babbling, stripping off clothes, crawling around on the ground, banging heads, limbs and other body parts against furniture and walls, barking, losing all sense of one's identity and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists posting on the Internet every few days, we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996) Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD

Lianna Skywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com

On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:22:26 GMT, "Maduin Washuu Esper" <mad...@tampabay.rr.com> did quoth thusly: ROFLMFAO!
Okay, and the hundreds of years before white colonization, that wasn't civilization?
Do you not count the Aztecs, the Mayans or the Incas as Native American? They're the same ethnic group. And they sure as hell had civilizations, ones that were closer to our traditional definition of the term than were the tribal organizations of Northern American natives.
And have I ever seen you here before, or do you just wander Usenet looking for posts that may possibly help reinforce your racism?
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter

"El Roto" fin...@google.com

Troll.  *plonk*

cerrid ...@freedom.net

Not to be nitpicky, but Narconon would not run the Introspection Rundown.  It is not an authorized service.
I know that sounds dumb but it's true.
Right.
While it is true that I am a divine Celtic twat,  make that exquisitely divine, it does not change what you posted.  Here let me cut and paste it Mimus said: And the exquisitely divine Celtic twat stated and then asked: While I am opposed to the actions and behavior of the C of S, I am Ok I read it carefully.  Please explain it to me.  I am not trying to be difficult mimus.  I don't get your point.  It occurred to me when I read your post that you were somewhat exaggerating what could possibly be going on at Narconon Chilocco.  Implying that god only knew what horrors were going on and in your next sentence mentioning Auschwitz.
I will even go so far as to agree that the C of S behaves like Nazi's in many ways, but I don't agree that the good folks of Newkirk are blind to atrocities going on in their back yard.
I know people who have lived, worked and participated in the Narconon Chilocco program.  You may think I too am some kind of unwitting dupe as to what goes on but I can ***ure you, I am not.  The only atrocity, and it is an atrocity, is that the participants become fully indoctrinated if they stay long enough and get regged to continue to do services in the C of S.  But no one is doing physical harm to these people.
I suppose we could continue to argue the point but I don't know if any evidence exists to back up either theory.  However, in my studies, I have yet to find any atrocities at Narconon Chilocco.  However, please correct me if there are a few dead bodies lying around that I have not yet spotted.
Interesting placement of the "ejaculation".
Insurance is accepted I don't know the current make up of the Narconon public.   I remember being surprised at how many 30,40 and 50 year olds were in the program when I last looked into it.  This was several years ago.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
Cerridwen

tinmimu ...@hotmail.com (mimus)

You know the cl***ic Scientological "need to know" is exercised there, and Scientology is famed for the quick quiet evacuation of problem bodies-- if not yet corpses.
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tinmimu...@hotmail.com I saw many people reduced to incoherent babbling, stripping off clothes, crawling around on the ground, banging heads, limbs and other body parts against furniture and walls, barking, losing all sense of one's identity and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists posting on the Internet every few days, we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996) Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD

Chemeh ...@doj.ca.gov (Chemehuev)

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   Cerridwen, I respectfully suggest that if anyone    an Chilocco is doing the Purif, there's a good chance    that they _are_ being harmed.
   It's my understanding that the Purification Rundown    employs borderline-hepatoxic doses of niacin.
   Persons who have been alchoholics, or have had    hepatitis, or who may just be genetically susceptible    are at risk of serious liver damage.
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Joel Hanes  SP4

Ted Mayett ted-may...@skylink.net

On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 18:14:18 -0400, ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT Ain't it sweet though :)

barb bwa...@home.com

Ironically enough, drug addicts have a high proportion of liver damage, which means that as a group, they are more vulnerable to niacin toxicity and should not be taking vast quantities of niacin.
Of course the argument from the clams, and they've tried it here before and been slapped down for chemical ignorance, is this; "We don't use the bad kind of niacin. We use that other, beneficial, niacin." Of course, it's a lie, and easily disproved.
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fr ...@SPAMNOTskeptictank.org (Rev Fredric L. Rice)

It would have been better if the article covered the crime syndicate's body count and the lawsuits against the Narconon ringleaders -- not to mention the fact that the crime syndicate's mock "international president" Heber Jentzsch is on the run, facing 56 years 8 months in Madrid, Spain fior his part in the deadly Narconon fraud.
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stillwat ...@freedom.net

"ptsc" <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net> wrote (July 2, 2001): Cough, cough.
~Maybe~ I'm missing something here.
But from reading the original article Rod posted in this thread it looks as if the Arrowhead site was purchased to ~replace~ the Chilocco site.
From the pictures I saw (at an event) the Arrowhead site looked to be much bigger (and ~extremely~ well appointed).
Quite.
And another far more beautiful one springs up!
Hem.
Freddie T "It causes him great regret to realize that he is not free to wear carpet slippers. He's not free to wear them. Why? Well, this will really strike him as being very interesting. Or he isn't free to go without a hat. He has to have a hat. And if you start searching his case for his feelings of freedom, these odds and ends will turn up - to say nothing of how people have taken his freedom away from him. And that is the most grievous and grievesome thing of which I know, is to have one's freedom taken away in any respect." L. Ron Hubbard, from a lecture of 14 January 1952, ~The Emotional Curve~, R&D Volume 9, Bridge Publications, 1996, page 146.