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JLHartley JLHartley_mem...@newsguy.com
GERALD "AJAX" ACKERMAN, a former psych counselor from Michigan, was convicted of sexually molesting several young girls, aged 8 to 12, who were being treated at his youth center. He's now serving 25 to 38 years in prison.
liannaskywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com
On 24 Nov 2001 22:32:15 -0800, JLHartley Hm, wasn't at least one auditor arrested for molesting his charges?
Molesters come from all walks of life, dear. So do total idiots.
Nobody ever claimed psychs were immune. Regrettable that he would abuse his power in this way, but so do priests, and gynecologists, and pediatricians, and schoolteachers, and Boy Scout leaders, and just about anyone else...
... but why don't you talk about them?
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
JLHartley JLHartley_mem...@newsguy.com
This wasn't an isolated incident. More like an occupational hazzard. (More to come.)
liannaskywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com
On 25 Nov 2001 16:49:50 -0800, JLHartley Occupational hazard? Hm, maybe not the right phrase... makes it sound like screwing your patients is a terrible danger psychs face... not the impression you were going for? :) Oh, I kid because I love, you know that.
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
dav ...@nospamplease.com (Dave Dufoe)
On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:16:20 -0500, liannaskywalker Yes indeed, you love the psychs and their crimes. Otherwise why would you defend them?
dav ...@nospamplease.com (Dave Dufoe)
On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:58:31 -0500, liannaskywalker Critics seem dedicated to defending psychiatrists and their crimes.
This is the "hey, everyone does it" defense. Not a very convincing argument and actually pretty sickening when one considers what the guy did. BTW, I notice you cut out the entire post from JL. That's another common psych apologist tactic: remove the original post so you can defend the psychs without the embarr***ment of the smoking gun.
(The smoking gun: GERALD "AJAX" ACKERMAN, a former psych counselor from Michigan, was convicted of sexually molesting several young girls, aged 8 to 12, who were being treated at his youth center.
He's now serving 25 to 38 years in prison.)
liannaskywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com
<snip> Oh, for heaven's sake. What do you want me to say? Yes, I love all psychiatrists, I think they're the salt of the earth and veritable sex-gods? Or should I say they're all eeeeeevil criminals?
The reality, I find, is somewhere between those two extremes. As it always is. I've seen good and I've seen bad, and ultimately I think most psychs are just trying to put food on the table like anyone else.
Not an entirely noble calling, but whose is?
As for the "everyone does it" defense, I only bring it up to dispel the implication that all psychs engage in that kind of behavior. This particular man exhibits one of the significant traits of child molesters -- he deliberately chose a job that would bring him closer to potential victims. I'd wager he was a pedophile long before he became a psychiatrist. Ultimately this case proves nothing, except that pedophiles can be anybody, including -- especially -- those in positions of power and trust with children.
As tired as I am, I'd love to keep going on this theme, but I'm afraid I'd say something unbefitting of a refined young lady such as I.
(snerk) For the record, I only snip because I hate having to download long threads with maybe only two or three original lines in a mor*** of ">>>"s. And I never said I loved psychs, I said I loved J-Lo. So there.
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
Tilman Hausherr til...@berlin.snafu.de
Fascinating how the stories evolve. On http://psychcrime.org/psychcrimes/crimesearch3.asp he is only a "former counselor", but you make him a "former psych counselor".
I searched for his name in a search engine. Unlike other of your "psychs", he does exist. However no evidence that he was ever a "psych".
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The following document contains excerpts from a legal deposition taken in the case of Florida v. Donald Anthony Strawn. Its importance lies in the fact that in it, the deponent (Strawn's wife at the time) accuses the Church of Scientology of recommending that a capital felony not be reported to the police.
4 That's all I remember about the conversation 5 in the bedroom. I told, told, told him as I was 6 leaving, leaving out of the house, that he had to be 7 gone. That he had to leave. That I was going to the 8 church. That if he was not gone by the time I got back 9 that I would call the police.
10 Q. Did you take the girls with you?
11 A. No, I didn't.
12 Q. How long were you gone?
13 A. Probably about thirty or forty-five minutes.
14 I got down to the church and I went in to see the 15 chaplain at the Church of Scientology. After I calmed 16 down a bit I called the house. I realized I left my 17 kids. And I tried to call the house and there was no 18 answer.
19 I called back and M---[1] was upset. She 20 answered the phone and she was crying and she said that 21 A----[2] ran away. I went and jumped in the car and I 22 broke every speed limit between the Church of 23 Scientology[3] and my house.
24 Q. Had you met with the chaplain yet?
25 A. I saw somebody. It was an ***istant chaplain 13 1 or something. And I was actually in the office when I 2 was calling home. I got back home and A---- was at 3 home. I got the girls and I left.
4 Q. Was Tony[4] there or was he gone?
5 A. Yes, he was packing his belongings.
6 Q. Did you have any further discussion with him?
7 A. No. I didn't even see him. He was in the 8 room, in our bedroom, with, with the door closed, 9 packing.
10 Q. Did A---- at the time tell you what had been 11 going on?
12 A. That day.
13 Q. At that time?
14 A. Yes, she told me. M--- told me as well.
15 Q. When is it that A---- told you?
16 A. You have to remember that my life at that 17 time was a total blur. I don't remember dates or 18 times. I know that I discussed the matter with my 19 children. The reason I waited six weeks to turn him 20 in, the reason why I waited six weeks to turn him in 21 was because of the Church of Scientology.
22 Q. How long have you been a Scientologist?
23 A. I'm not a Scientologist, now. When I met 24 Tony I was introduced to the Church of Scientology. At 25 that time I became a Scientologist.
14 1 Q. Were the children also?
2 A. I guess you'll have to ask them. They did 3 take some courses with the Church of Scientology.
4 Q. When you say you "became one," what does that 5 involve, becoming a Scientologist?
6 A. Well, you just have to make a decision that 7 you're going to be a Scientologist and they have 8 different technologies and you read and apply them to 9 your life. And sometimes you take courses at the 10 church. Sometimes you get auditing which is similar to 11 counseling.
12 Q. Okay. So you wanted to go through the 13 church?
14 A. I had to. I had to go through the church.
15 The Church of Scientology has a tenant to the best of 16 my knowledge and the way I understood it, if you have 17 any legal matter with a fellow Scientologist you're to 18 take it to the Church of Scientology.
19 If you don't, you risk being what is called 20 "Declared" or thrown out of the Church of Scientology.
21 Now that matters nothing to me. But what did matter to 22 me was the fact that I was working as a director in a 23 company, and the owners of the company are 24 Scientologists. In fact, many of the employees, the 25 majority of employees, are Scientologists.
15 1 Q. What company?
2 A. Roberts Cefail[5] and ***ociates.
3 Q. How long have you been working there?
4 A. At that time, three years.
5 Q. Okay. So you thought your job might be in 6 jeopardy?
7 A. My job was in jeopardy because what happens 8 is if you're declared or thrown out of the church then 9 other Scientologist cannot be in touch with you. They 10 can't talk to you. They can't have, you know, have 11 anything to do with you or they risk being thrown out 12 of the church.
13 Q. Had you ever had any legal matters before --
14 A. No.
15 Q. -- that went through the church?
16 A. No.
17 Q. Okay. So how did you proceed with that?
18 A. For six weeks I tried to get him thrown out 19 of the church so that I could turn him in without any 20 repercussions. I worked with the Church of 21 Scientology's legal office. It's called the Office of 22 Special Affairs or OSA, O-S-A.
23 I worked with the Church of Scientology for 24 quite some time. Many days I was down there, as a 25 matter of fact, trying to get them to take some kind 16 1 of action. The Church of Scientology recommended that 2 I not turn him in.
3 Q. Why?
4 A. Because they could handle it. They could 5 handle his aberrations. They could handle what made 6 him do this. They said that if I, if I turned him in 7 my children would be taken away from me by HRS because 8 HRS is always looking for a criminal. They told me 9 that Tony would be stuck to me for lifetimes because I 10 had done this, because I had turned him in. They told 11 me that he would be turned over to the "psyches," or 12 the psychiatrists. I was very manipulated during that 13 period of time.
14 Q. Had you told the children not to discuss this 15 with anyone else?
16 A. I may have told them not to discuss it with 17 their friends.
18 Q. Mm-hmm. Were they involved in any kind of 19 counseling?
20 A. Not at that time.
21 Q. Anywhere?
22 A. Not at that time.
23 Q. Did the counselor or Scientologist try to get 24 you and Tony together to discuss this?
25 A. Yeah.
17 1 Q. What are, what do they do there?
2 A. I think there is a chaplain's meeting and I 3 think this is the most cruel thing that anybody can 4 ever do. I wanted to go ahead and get the divorce 5 because I wouldn't be contested. I knew if I locked 6 him up he would be contesting and I wanted the divorce.
7 So I arranged through the chaplain the 8 procedure for the divorce. And in the Church of 9 Scientology you have the documents drawn up and then 10 you go into the church and both parties sign. And 11 there's what is called a "chaplain's hearing." And 12 they sit there and, and discuss disposition of 13 properties: Custody issues, child support issues, et 14 cetera.
15 I went and I was trying to get my divorce 16 papers signed. And the church and the people who were 17 dealing with it, Chaplain Sergio[6], I don't remember the 18 last name. He, he couldn't find Tony. He didn't know 19 where to get in touch with Tony. The Ethics Officer 20 didn't know where to get in touch with Tony. So I had 21 to actually go over where he was working and tell him 22 he had to meet me at the church. I went to the church 23 to get him to sign the divorce papers and I sat there 24 and I pretended like everything was rosy.
25 I asked him about M--- and what he had done 18 1 with M---. And he told me yes, it was true. And that 2 he had written up everything. And that he had turned 3 it all into the Ethics Officer and I could get copies 4 of the report so I would know what was really going on 5 in my house, so I could handle my kids.
6 I'm sorry, but this son-of-a-bitch ain't got 7 a clue as to what ...
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If it seems so to you, you've obviously gone past a nisunderstood word.
I suspect it's "critics." Clear that up and get back to us.
liannaskywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:39:54 +0100, Tilman Hausherr Yeah, I doubt there was any "treatment" going on at this center either
-- probably the kind for latchkey kids and kids who want to play basketball and kids who need a quiet place to do their homework, not the kind where runaway kids get treated for stuff. Says in a couple articles I found on Yahoo that he was a former mayor of Port Huron, former drug addict, and former hippie biker. Didn't say *anything* about him being a psych. The big deal in this case was that he was a MAYOR while he was doing this, not that he was a counselor. One article said he'd been commended by the National ***ociation of Social Workers as being a good model for children, but it said *nothing* about him being certified as a psychiatrist, psychologist, or anything at all official. Just a mayor who set up a youth center for kids, which sounds like a good idea and probably went over great with the voters, and then abused his power.
Where'd you read that this ***hole was a psych anyway, JL? Find me a link to a respected news outlet. Please?
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
JLHartley JLHartley_mem...@newsguy.com
Perhaps he wasn't. I was ***uming that in order to qualify as a counselor in a secular institution one would have to have some psych background. Maybe if you're the mayor, they let it slide.
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I love psychiatry. That's why I'm here.
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liannaskywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com
On 26 Nov 2001 18:15:39 -0800, JLHartley Heheheheh. You need psych background to be a camp counselor? Maybe they give you a psych evaluation, to make sure you're not going to go Jason Voorhees on the place, but with youth programs and such "counselor" often just means "guy who comes up with stuff to do so the kids don't run off to kill pigs or something".
An M/U, but a forgivable one -- I ***ume you haven't been a kid for a while.
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
JLHartley JLHartley_mem...@newsguy.com
Thanks for your magnanimity. I will try to reform. (But aren't counselors in high school psych trained to some degree? I know it's becoming more and more a part of the cirriculum for teachers.)
Chris Leithiser cleit...@bc.cc.ca.us
Still making up quotes, JL? I suspect you make up nearly _everything_ you post here.
liannaskywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com
On 26 Nov 2001 21:10:48 -0800, JLHartley In schools, yes, counselors need some psychology background, but not much. My school had an actual staff psychologist who handled the really serious stuff -- the other counselors were mostly involved with scheduling and college applications and stuff.
There are lots of situations where adults get called "counselors" when they're around kids. Best I can think of besides camp was this program that went on at the local park when I was a kid. You signed your kids up and they went over to the park, where 'counselors' -- just some adults of various ages -- made up games to play. The counselors, in other words, were the ones with the bats and balls.
The problem with a lot of kid-oriented activities is that they're volunteer work, which makes it hard to find people willing to invest the time -- and people who *are* willing might be predators, which is damn near impossible to tell.
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
JLHartley JLHartley_mem...@newsguy.com
At least, so the psychs tell us. Perhaps that would explain why their ranks are so full of them.
liannaskywalker liannaskywal...@hotmail.com
On 27 Nov 2001 12:28:32 -0800, JLHartley <snip> Well, I imagine so many predators get away with it because nobody can tell -- you wouldn't let your kid near some guy who drooled a lot and wore a long trenchcoat, or something, but too many molesters don't fit the stereotype. I've just been reading a book for my seminar about a girl who was repeatedly raped by her father, who was a prominent figure in politics and banking. Everyone loved him, which just proves that if a molester wants to hide he or she will, no question.
I seriously doubt there's some kind of conspiracy of psych child molesters who spread this idea just to cover up for themselves.
Lianna Skywalker SP4 "When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
JLHartley JLHartley_mem...@newsguy.com
Why would I need to do that when I've got you?
I suspect you make up nearly _everything_ Sounds like paranoia; what dose are you on presently?
dav ...@nospamplease.com (Dave Dufoe)
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:54:09 -0500, liannaskywalker You are missing the fact that this is normal behavior for psychiatrists. The proportion of psychs who abuse their patients is very high. 10% of psychiatrists admit to sexually abusing their patients and (interestingly) 65% say new patients tell them of sexual abuse by former psychs. In an article in US News and World Report in 1990, experts put the figure at 25% and a California study in 1973 came up with 51%. Even if you take the lowest number - 10% - that's 10 times higher than the percentage of criminals arrested for sexual offenses.
So the bottom line is that psychs have an extremely bad record of sexual abuse of their patients. Okay, so anywhere from 10 to 65% of them do engage in that kind of behavior.
Again you miss the point and either unintentionally or intentionally cloud the facts. People need to know that as a profession, psychs have the worst record of sexual abuse - worse even than the prison population. People need to be warned not to let themselves, their loved ones or their children fall into the hands of these monsters.
JLHartley JLHartley_mem...@newsguy.com
Why do you ***ume that so many predators get away with it. The only ones we know about are the ones who didn't get away with it. Furthermore, psychs operate under the pretense that they know something about behavior and the mind. They're even called on to establish whether or not someone is fit to be released into society. My suspicion is that their record is no better than the people who loved your rapist. But that doesn't mean that a careful observer couldn't discern somehting askew about such a person.
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