Jump suits for people doing community service
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MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
Hazel Blears, whom God preserve, has suggested that those sentenced to community service should wear some kind of uniform, and I have heard the term jump suits bandied about already. Orange jump suits, someone said on the radio. Should they be orange? I would favour pink myself.
I think pink's a lovely colour, especially when contrasted with grey.
I have a florescent pink highlighting stick and it's great fun, much better than green or orange. Maybe Bluewater are missing a trick here.
Allow any hooded yobs in provided they are wearing pink.
MM
"Mark Williams" mark.willi...@btinternet.com
Perhaps the principle could be extended to ministers who have been sacked from their ministerial posts for misleading parliament or otherwise abusing their office. The public might feenl that nothing is being done to reprimand them when they are given a new post six months later. Reuiring them to wear bright orange jump suits in the House of Commons might do the trick.
Stephen Glynn stephen.gl...@ntlworld.com
I note, though, that the (different) photos in both today's Observer and on the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4548835.stm of Americans wearing these uniforms suggest that they include baseball caps.
Surely some mistake?
Steve
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Sun, 15 May 2005 14:39:11 +0000 (UTC), "Mark Williams" Or pink ones.
In the meantime, I've just had an idea. Well, it is Sunday, after all.
Transparent hoods! The Bluewater people could see who they were dealing with, yet the yobs - sorry, youths who never do a Bad Thing Ever - would be able to maintain their lifestyle and preferred dress.
Yes, that's the solution. Transparent hoods should become widely available. Maybe Bluewater could start selling them from next week.
Bit of a Catch 22 for those already wearing hoods, but perhaps they could persuade some younger boys to go in and buy some.
MM
"Gaz" gaz...@msn.com
I think Ms Blears has no idea how much a joke Community Service is (though it is no longer called by that name).
In a past position i held, we tried to liase with the probation service, to have some of their care to help out on some social projects.
Things like graphitee removal, litter collection, tidying up areas that had been left to long etc. These where things outside the normal duties of the authority, so they werent replaceing work done by employees, as this work was just not been done at all.
It seemed like a good idea, we had things that needed done, they had people who could do them.
One snag. The little dears where absolutely ****ing useless, with those in the probation service not far behind them.
First of all, the little treasures could not be asked to do anything which might reduce their self asteem or humiliate them. So litter picking was out of the question. It was pointed out that people pick litter for a living forty hours a week 48 weeks a year, feed and house their family from the proceeds, but no, no litter collecting.
The whole thing was a farce, in the same way the the job centre requires some applicants to show they are looking for work, and even roster them to attend interviews. The job centre know that these people have no intention of making the effort, and the applicant knows that they know.
They go through the motions.
Community service orders are the same thing, going through the motions.
Gaz
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Sun, 15 May 2005 15:06:51 GMT, Stephen Glynn Also, the Americans are wearing chains. Since so many Brits love their bling bling, this would not be a problem, would it?
MM
Gavin Ayling s...@gavweb.net
With so many Labour MPs wearing jump suits, the effect would be lost!
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Stephen Glynn stephen.gl...@ntlworld.com
Sorry, I don't follow. Are you saying that Carlisle (or wherever) Council doesn't clear litter from the streets?
Steve
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
So maybe the jump suits aren't such a daft idea after all?
MM
"Mark Williams" mark.willi...@btinternet.com
If they all wore different coloured jumpsuits, they could be made to line up like a rainbow, which would be nice.
"Gaz" gaz...@msn.com
More in regards to specific areas. You know what i mean. Go around any urban area and you will find a corner that has been left a bit to long without attention, a bit of fly tipping, weeds, maybe a wind pocket for litter, which has been allowed to build up, the idea was to blitz these areas.
Gaz
Gavin Ayling s...@gavweb.net
But would red be on the left? ;-)
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Stephen Glynn stephen.gl...@ntlworld.com
I see. Thanks. The only person I know who's had to do one of these community service things is a friend of my late wife, a woman then in her 50s who narrowly escaped prison for, IIRC, her second drink-driving offence plus a case of defrauding the IR that was sentenced at the same time. They had her working at a day centre for people with Altzheimers, which was pretty tough going. She did quite well there; so well, indeed, that the daughter of one of the old boys there hired her to help as a part-time carer for him after she'd finished her community service.
Steve
That guy unkn...@unknown.com
I bet they will be those black and white stiped ones like concentration camp prisoners used to wear.
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Sun, 15 May 2005 21:23:29 +0000 (UTC), "Mark Williams" But only if it was raining, otherwise they'd look plain daft.
MM
"Gaz" gaz...@msn.com
I must point out, that I was referring to young offenders.................
Who, for some reason are handled with kid gloves through the system, when in fact these are often precisely the kind of people that a good flogging would straighten out.
(thats the thing about banning corporal punishment, they are a group of people in society who it would be the best form of punishment. Rarely is it in the good of anyone to put a young person in prison, except for very serious crimes. It is the kind of youth who is a serial petty offender, burglary, mugging, shoplifting, nuisance behaviour, these are the kind who the Criminal justice system seems incapable of handling.
A good thrashing would be the best punishment for them, and wipe the slate clean when they come of age.
I am a comp***ionate Conservative, I comp***ionately believe that some of these kids would benefit by a good thrashing And that is my modernising bid for Leadership of the Party.
Gaz
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:33:42 GMT, Stephen Glynn It's not just street litter. Take the train to Marylebone (or probably anywhere else) and the trackside is covered in it. Litter is EVERYwhere in Britain. That's why the place looks such a tip.
MM
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
You do, do you! Sehr interessant!
MM
AlanG inva...@invalid.com
How do you know that?
The only motions you are going through are the ones expelled from the bowels of the nazi press.
Got anybody else you'd like to demonise?
Stephen Glynn stephen.gl...@ntlworld.com
Indeed. But I'm not sure that we should be relying on people doing community service orders to clear it up. As Gaz says, people do that for a job.
Steve
Stephen Glynn stephen.gl...@ntlworld.com
And I'm sure you'll do very well. If they choose you I'll certainly vote Conservative for the first time in my life.
My impression, gained from some work I've been doing at the local Crown Court, is that young offenders who end up with Community Punishment Orders (as they're now called) receive them as part of a package of measures, the most important of which is a Community Rehabilitation Order (probation as was) that includes a mandatory drugs treatment programme. I suppose the Crown Court's a bit different because they get the more serious offenders, but certainly there everyone seems to think that broadly their customers fall into three main categories --
someone (of any age) who's done acted pretty much out of character and done something phenomenally stupid, a small minority of career criminals and a great many people, usually young men in their late teens or early 20s, who're living completely disorganised lives because of their drug habits. It's getting them off hard drugs that seems to be the main concern.
They seem to take the CPOs and Community Rehab Orders pretty seriously
-- people do get called back for a bollocking from the judge if they're not complying with the orders (not turning up for work or failing their drugs tests) and face further sanctions if they carry on misbehaving.
They don't particularly like sending young offenders to prison or Young Offenders' Institutions for the first time because, apparently, it's more than likely that if they do it'll be the first of many times; dealing with it day to day -- and this is what the CPS, the Probation Service and the barristers all say if you talk to them -- they tend to take Douglas Hurd's view that it's usually an expensive way of making bad people worse.
Steve
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
But how do you pronounce 'peepul'?
MM
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Mon, 16 May 2005 08:51:51 GMT, Stephen Glynn So you don't fancy supporting my idea of mandatory citizenship training for all eighteen-year-olds, then?
MM
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
On Mon, 16 May 2005 08:35:24 GMT, Stephen Glynn Yes, I didn't realise it could pay well enough to make a living.
MM
MM kylix...@yahoo.co.uk
How about certain newsgroup posters who like twisting the facts and ignoring reality?
MM
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