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"Dan Parrell" danparr...@nl.rogers.com

I was listening to this story on the news that broke my heart.I thought shit like this happened in other parts of the world where people are less civilized. I heard the story of the kids who were abused by the hands of their own mother . Beaten and broken bones,not allowed to eat,stripped naked and having pampers taped to them, mouths and eyes taped shut legs and hands taped behind the back. For the love of jeezes ! Why would anyone give this woman back her kids after having suffered numerous broken bones the first time they were taken!  The woman readily admitted guilt to all the charges.
Adults who wantonly/knowingly hurt or harm little kids are worse than terrorists on my list of people I despise the most.
Children will continue to suffer because the social workers in N&L are over taxed with their time, there is not enough of them out there and the ones on the job,can't spend the time needed to do a proper job or even a follow up.
If you don't want kids - don't have them, If you got them and don't want them, give them to someone who do.
dp

"Organic-Gal" xploreorgan...@gmail.com

I completely agree - This is crazy, not eveyone should have the right to have children yet anyone can.  People need to realize the privilage of raising children and the responsibilities involved.

"DaveHX" splooch29NOS...@gmail.com

I find it interesting that in order to adopt, you have to be investigated..but to have one..you just have to be horny ...

"Dan Parrell" danparr...@nl.rogers.com

Sinful DHX what the kids had to go through, she even beat them little kids with a broom handle as well.
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"DaveHX" splooch29NOS...@gmail.com

There is a HUGE difference between discipline and abuse..she definitely crossed the line ...

"Sean" ridg...@nf.sympatico.ca

Hell yes..Dont tell me about the poor kids. I had the hardest time of my life with my now 16 year old. Kicked out of school, police waitng for her to turn 13 so she could be locked up, drugs, ***ults on mother and sibbilings, severe damage to property, lack of remorse. I done everything to keep her in line. I stopped working because even at 14 she could not be left alone. I begged government agencies for help, I sat in the public hall ways of her school from 9 am until 3 pm because they would not teach her with out me there. At age 15 she needed 24 hour supervision because she could not be left alone. Myself and her sibbelings were on egg shells 24/7. Oh yes she couldnt wait to turn 16 because with todays laws at 16 you can decide for yourself if you want to live home or not. She decided to take advantage of the government and get her freedom to go wild to. She is now 16, expecting a child, living with her 24 year old druggy boyfreind. (shes a druggy to) in a smelly bedsetting room. Her boyfreind gets welfare and she gets a comfort allowance of 160 every two weeks. Combined they make more money than me at my min wage job. There money goes on drugs so they they got food banks, where my daughters 16 and expecting she got so many places she can go for free food. She has been in hospital for servere dehydration, and eating disorders while expecting her child. Now heres the best part, welfare and choices for youth are giving them money...which legally is government fraud they know its happening because I have personally told them. They even done an investagation to confirm it. My daughter is on probation but she refues to do her check ins as required by law. My daughters probation officer is also her social worker. Not only does the probation officer let her away with out reporting in she also writes a check for her every two weeks. I have called every government agency and every place to get her help, nobody seems to care. Now Im to be a grandmother of a drug addicted baby. Then the abuse will start. This newborn will be abused the same way her parents abuse themselves. What really gets me is that my unborn grandchild is subject to this abuse and shes not even born yet. The effects of all the drugs ect...will be with my grandchild forever, but theres no law to protct the unborn child. I am against abortion but to knowling carry a child and slowly posion it and before its even born..isnt that abuse? By law no its not until the child is born you can do as you please to screw up an unborn childs life forever.
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"Devils Advocate" devilsadvocat...@hotmail.com

Sean, do you feel better now? I know sometimes you just want someone to listen, to hear you out and understand you and it is obvious in your case, there is no on to fullfil this need. I hear you and I witness a very similar circumstance, but rather the parent of the child had sense enough to legally allow her mother to adobt her child where the child would have a good home.
I cannot comment on this particular circumstance because we don't know the other side of the story (that being your daughter). However, you did raise one very important point that is the Social Sevices dept encourages young kids (yeah kids at 17) to have children in order to offer them a rental unit. For example, if John and Suzanne decided to leave their mom and dad (because mom and dad are irresponsible parents) and apply for Welfare untill they got on their feet, the Welfare would reject them because they are not a family. But if John and Suzzanne had a 1 day old child, the Welfare would offer them free rent and a bi weekly income because they are cl***ified as a family. The fact that the Social Sevices moreless bribes kids to have kids in order to offer them a home is ridiculous. I agree, they should be out to work. However, if these kids are living with Mom and Dad who are providing a poor home, sometimes these kids are forced to make fast drastic decision which oftentimes leads them to welfare. Then for welfare to bribe them to have a kid or go back with mom and dad is somewhat ridiculous.
Finally I would say to you Sean, that if you see any indication that your Grandchild is being mentally, physically, emotional or any type of abuse, contact a social worker immediately. If you are a good caring father, then perhaps you would have the honour of providing a good home for your granddaughter.
Do you mind me asking, if you have other kids? What age? How are they doing?
All the best and I sincerely hope everything works out well for both you and your kids.
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"Cynthia Bennett" c_benn...@nf.sympatico.ca

cant you call the cops and get her bf arrested for child abuse. and not once in your letter of rant did you say you were worried about your daughter safety. A kid always has reason for acting out, maybe you and her should go to family counsellor. in my experence there is always pain behind a child acting out.
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"Cats Ass" robshepp...@spamwhoshaw.ca

Dan, was this in NL? Do you happen to have a link or something to the story?
This kind of thing boils my blood.
I feel really bad for Sean though. That kind of story is my biggest fear as a fairly new father with a new one on the way. I do everything with my family, and my kids are my life, and I'm trying my best to teach them right from wrong, even at 2 and 4, but I can't help but fear when they get in school they're gonna fall in with the wrong crowd, no matter what kind of values I try to instill in them.
Sean, if you're reading, keep your chin up, and be the best grandmother you can be. Maybe you can succeed with your grandchild where your daughter's crowd failed her.
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"Dan Parrell" danparr...@nl.rogers.com

Yes this happened here, I looked in the on-telegram and there was no mention of it. Maybe it appears somewhere else and someone can post a link.
This item appeared on the NTV evening news. The woman pleaded guilty in court to the charges and will be sentenced in September. Her name was withheld to protect the identity of the kids.
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"Dan Parrell" danparr...@nl.rogers.com

From what I read,  I gather that you are indeed a single mother with at least three kids? It must have been hard trying to raise them on your own.
It appears as though your daughter has some past deep emotional wounds that were never addressed and her escape from the hurt is with the help of drugs. It also sounds like you have been carrying a heavy burden of guilt for a long time and I commend you on your courage to speak of this with hopes, that at least a kind ear somewhere, will help to ease your pain. Perhaps it may be too late in the day for anyone to offer advice, as you've exhausted all avenues presented to you with no avail. Take some comfort in knowing that you've tried your best and still have two more children living at home who loves you. Pick up all the pieces and try to put back together, what once was and continue love them unconditionally. Perhaps somebody who reads your plight can offer the help or advice that your daughter needs.
Take care dp ...

"Organic-Gal" xploreorgan...@gmail.com

I think this is the link: http://stjohns.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=nf-clarkes-beach...

"Davvee" nob...@nowhere.nospam

I read about it in todays telegram...Disgusting!!!
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"Davvee" nob...@nowhere.nospam

Crossed a line??? She redefined cruelty! She is a f**king Nazi! I really can't think of a punishment that could approach justice in her case.
Also...you watch...of her 6 kids...she'll get 4 of them back when this is all over.
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cloud dreamer inva...@invalid.com

What she needs is a sentence that will keep her in prison until the youngest child is 18 and old enough to defend themselves.
At least she's in jail until the sentencing...should be interesting...
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"Madonna Whelan" m...@warp.nfld.net

Dan There is a big write up on the front page of today's telegram that carries over onto the second page about this horrendous incident.
These little darlings went to school and stole food from their peers' lunchboxes because they were so hungry.  One of them had her head put through a wall and the heinous bitch of a mother who done it covered the hole with a poster so the social worker (paper calls it respite worker--are they one and the same thing?) wouldn't see.  She taped them up and would rip the tape off them--the investigation found take with the little children's hair stuck on to it in the trash.  They'd tell their teachers they were allergic to sunlight so they wouldn't wear shorts or short sleeves (to cover the bruises).  Poor darlings would put make up on to cover up their marks.
What a burden for a child to bear.
It says she had 6 children but it seems the charges involve these 2 girls.
She's lost these kids before and they were returned to her (unfortunately) because she seemed to have gotten it all together.
Truly horrific story that is very difficult to read.  I don't know much about the legal system.  She will be ***essed by several psychiatrists, apparently.  Does this mean she will plead insanity and get off with little or nothing?  What kind of sentence can this wench expect?  I realize they need to protect the children's identity but I figure that crazy bitch should have her face plastered everywhere--to expose her for the monster that she is to everyone.
God bless those cildren.  I hope they find peace and can manage to thrive and grow up happy and full of a child's spirit from here on despite the rough start they've had.
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http://stjohns.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=nf-clarkes-beach...

"Cats Ass" robshepp...@spamwhoshaw.ca

I can think of a punishment. Do the same thing to her that she did to her kids, only more severe. Torture is a great punishment, and maybe others will think twice if they know the same thing can happen to them if they commit acts like this. I hope she chokes.
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"Cats Ass" robshepp...@spamwhoshaw.ca

She'll get f*ck all for it. You'd get more for shooting a moose out of season.
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"Signet" s...@yahoo1.ca

And killing a baby is free - and paid for by MCP!
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"DaveHX" splooch29NOS...@gmail.com

oh shut up.
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Carter per.ar...@ad.astra

Has anyone heard if this woman is being sent for psychiatric evaluation before sentencing?   I think it is very possible that she is suffering from some sort of mental disorder.  It's almost impossible to envision a totally sane person treating children that way.
Establishing mental incapacity would be one way to ensure that she doesn't get her kids back.
Carter

"Cats Ass" robshepp...@spamwhoshaw.ca

YEsh, deem her insane, she'll take a couple of cl***es and get her kids back again. Great idea Carter. Maybe we could send her to your shrink.
The best idea is to convict the bitch and send her away for life! Yes LIFE, cause that's what she deserves. But she'll get 6 or 8 mths, be out in 4 or 6 and get her kids back.
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"Sean" ridg...@nf.sympatico.ca

it seems you are like a million others. This is my daughter dont you think ive done everything possible to help her. First I have to say I tried having the boyfreind charged with sex of a  minor, just so happens shes 16 and as long as its concentual its ok. I also have to say my letter was not a rant ...my letter was the fact, once your child reaches 16 she can leave home for any reason good or bad and get government ***istance. As for trying to help her. I only hear from her when shes hungry and sick ..and yes I jump everytime to help her. But she refuses anymore than that. Sometimes I park my car in front of her door just to watch to see if shes ok. Ive seen her covered in marks from beatings, I report it but she denies how it happened.
I begged doctors to do drug testing on her, they wont because she dont want to, as shes 16 and dont concent to it. Ive begged her to come home if not for good just until the babys born but she wont. As for being worried about my daughters safty...why the hell would I subject myself to this news group if I wasnt. worried, Im worried about her more now than ever. At least when she was home I could have a liitle control, but because she left all my control is gone. Guess who got control now..GOVERNMENT as far as im concerened if they didnt support her she would move home. There would have never been an un planned baby on the way (the birth control I got for her is still on my fridge) , the first time I suspected drugs she would be in rehab. But because shes not in my home I can do nothing. Dont tell me I need any form of counselling because I dont, but im considering it for myself due to all the presure of the past year with her on her own. Heres the problem .
Im a semi strick parent of three. But still im open to talk about anything.
I always belived if my kids fear talking to me then im doing them no justice, so talk is open in my home. Ive had freinds ask me to duscuss persoanl issues with there kids. My 16 year old is in so much trouble because she didnt want to follow the rules set in place, she does have an older and younger sister at home. I have other childern doing great.
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"Sean" ridg...@nf.sympatico.ca

Oh you have no idea how angry I am at the government system as it relates to my daughter. I am a very caring parent and Im trying my best to help my 16 year old daughter. She dont want my help or any help aside from a welfare check to support her addiction.What really upsets me is that she is destrying her unborn childs chances of a normal childhood. sure I will do my best to look after my grandchild once its born, but whos looking after my grandchild now. Nobody ......seems everyone knows but nobody cares. Can you imagine  what my grandchild will be. She will be born drug addicted, possible brain injuries due to beatings, all the disorders that comes with being a product of a drug addicted mother. my daughter 8 months now so she might carry full term. Shes been abused before shes even born, and will be abused after shes born and she will live with this for the rest of her days.
If you want to be a crack head be one, if you want to destry your body do it, but please dont subject an unborn child to it also. As for the lady being charged with child abuse, it makes me sick to think of what those kids must have lived with, and to think she done it before and got away with it.
OMG...here I am preapring myself to be a mother to my grandchild, subject to continues court dates to try and get custody of my grandchild, knowing that this child will be born with serious physical , mental and emotional problems. Then to think that after a few years they will take my grandchild and give her back to her mother who caused all these problems. I would love to take my grandchild with me in hope that my daughter will get help for her problems and then work on getting the baby back...but what if???? maybe government will return my grandchild to her mother when shes not ready. If this lady can abuse her kids over and over again, whos to say my granddaughter  will make it.
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"Sean" ridg...@nf.sympatico.ca

I do have other kids. I have an 18 year old girl. She needs a few more credits to finish school. She has a part-time job and a boyfreind I sat down with both of them and gave them the birth control stories. Lucky for me her and her boyfreind both use protection. I pay for it because there to busy with school, part time jobs and banking all there money for a wedding. My daughter tells me shes gonna free load off me until shes got enough money to make it on her own. Thats fine with me as long as shes in school and working on a future. she dont give me much trouble . Last week she decided to celebrate her boyfreinds 19th birthday. Yes she did drink and got drunk. I made her use her hard earned money to buy hangover meds, I also got up at 6 am just to make noice to add to her head pain. , then i cooked a hugh jiggs dinner witch kept her in the wash room over the john for most of the day.
Then for a week I wouldnt let her drive my car bacause I was afraid she might still be drunk.(lol she hated that one) It wasnt that cruel but she will think twice about getting drunk and trying to sleep it off.. Last week at a work party she made 50 bucks by not drinking and driving the drunk ones home.
My other child is 13 a year ahead of her school mates. She gets straight A's...Her older sister has always been B's and C's. She delivers papers for extra money. Shes in training for the 2007 Canada games. Shes a good kid.
Being a teen shes mad at me this week because she dipped into her paper money to much and has to work the next 2 weeks with no profit to cover her over spending. Mother told me to cover her over spending But I said no as she has to learn a lesson about spending and saving money. I can tell shes regreting it already.
Sure were not the brady bunch we have our tandrums and bad days...me to. but we work threw it even if it means I got to accept the fact that Im wrong about something. In early june I asked my 13 year old what she done with my make up bag...this was an issue for a few days until I found it under my bed where I put it. I ended up giving all the new make up to her because I blamed her without being sure myself. I learned my lesson there 30 bucks later.
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